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Late Great Donald Blake


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Okay, guys, here's the next round. Sorry bout the delay but I had some stuff to take care of in my personal/professional life, and I was still waiting for some of you to pick your spoils of war. Anyway, here we go. You could probably figure out the other matches by process of elimination but here they are all the same. Good luck dudes!


cheers,
---the late great Donald Blake


Bracket A:

Joe Fixit (2) VS Rehzon

Knight VS Shuruku Demon



Bracket B:

The Nephilim VS Ragnarok

Joe Fixit VS Exes





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The Nephilim - The Coalition 
Doc Savage 1pt - -Quantum Bands (15)
Champion (no gem) 17pts
Conan 1pt - Mjolnir- 15pts 
Balder, the Brave 6pts- Captain America's shield- 3pts 
Starlord 1pt Green Power Ring 14 pts 
Skreet - 17pts
Master Izo 1 pt- 
Crimson Gem of Cyttorak - 15 pts; Grasscutter sword 4 pts

VAP:
Kree Sentry - 20 pts

Extras:
Metaphysical Bubble 7pts
1 month for training 3pts 


(44 character pts used. Used 4 bonus pts)
(50 item pts used. 1 bonus pts) 
(No place like Home bonus used)


***VERSUS*** Battlefield: Smallville


Ragnarok - The Founders

Dr Strange (MU 616) - 23 https://comicvine.gamespot.com/doctor-strange/4005-1456/
Jenny Sparks (Wildstorm) -12  https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jenny-sparks/4005-2203/
AOA Forge - 3pts Radioactive Spider Bite + Blue Lantern Ring 
Oracle (DC) - 1 https://comicvine.gamespot.com/barbara-gordon/4005-5368/
Amulet of Isis + Green Lantern Ring
Nick Fury (Ultimates) - 1 https://comicvine.gamespot.com/nick-fury/4005-3202/
Engineer’s 9 pints of liquid machinery + Amulet of Right 


Deathlok Cyborg - 16
Qubit LMD - 2
Qubit LMD - 2



Name of battlefield = 1
1 month training with Kilowog = 4
Detailed knowledge of opponents and items = 5
7 days sorcerer's sanctum prep = 6
3 days high tech lab prep = 4


Character Pts Total = 43 (3 bonus pts)
Items Pts Total = 57 (7 bonus pts)
Automaton Total = 20
Extras = 20 (10 bonus pts)

-{The Few the Proud bonus awarded}
-{Not From Around Here bonus awarded}
-{All Bases Covered bonus awarded}
-{Theme Team Bonus awarded} - team starters




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Joe Fixit (2) - The Overseers 


Mr. Majestic -- 23
Magneto (No blood tricks) -- 12
Cable(classic) --3 -- Mother Box - 8 pts+ Jade Tiger Amulet - 4 pts; Orb of Ra exposure [give user the powers of Metamorpho] 12 pts
John Stewart -- 1 -- GL ring - 14 pts
Tony Stark(Ultimate) -- 1 -- Iron Man Bleeding Edge Armor - 13 pts + Father Box 8 pts + T Spheres 3 pts

VAP: 
-Manhunter Robot -- 14
-OMAC Drone -- 14 


Extras:
-Detailed knowledge of opponents and items -- 5
-1 months training -- 3
-3 days prep high tech lab -- 4
-3 days on field prep -- 4 
-Kryptonite Power Source for OMAC -- 1



***VERSUS***   Battlefield:  Hoth



Rehzon - JSA-mazing

Dr. Fate (Hector) 23

Sanderson Hawkins 6
-the Soulsword 8pts

-Blue Beetle Sacarab 8

Mr. Terrific (no gear) 1
-Cosmic Control Rod 15 
IM Mark 50 "Endo-Sym Armor" (13pts)

Dr Midnite 1
-the Bloodaxe 15pts

Wildcat 1
-Ultimate Mjolnir


Manhunter Robot 14 pts
-Life Model Decoy 2 pts (Mr. Terrific)
-Life Model Decoy 2 pts (Wildcat)
-Life Model Decoy 2 pts (Doctor Fate)

--12 hours in a high tech lab - 2 pts
--18 hrs. in a Sorcerer's Sanctum - 3 pts
--6 hrs. on field prep - 1 pt.
--1 month training with the Ancient One - 4 pts
--Detailed Knowledge of opponents and their items - 5 pts
--Personality rewrite: Dr Midnight's personality the same. Though the influence of the BA, is that he will use lethal attacks, If necessary to defeat an opponent. 3 pts




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Good luck to you Rehzon. 

Now on to the battle:


Prep: I have a fairly significant prep advantage. 3 days in a high tech lab plus 3 days on field in addition to the prep we are already given.  He has given Mr. Terrific Iron Man's endo-sym armor. Since my team has detailed knowledge, Ultimate Tony will know everything there is to know about the Iron Man Endo-Sym armor that Mr. Terrific wears. While he isn't 616 Tony, he is the next best thing to have on your side when it comes to using his knowledge to exploit any potential weaknesses in an Iron Man armor. He'll also have Majestic by his side to work with him on the task of exploiting the armor. As always Majestic will use his knowledge of the opposing team to speed build weapons alongside Tony to use against them. He's already proven all he needs are nanoseconds in order to invent a device to use as a weapon during a fight. Imagine what he can do with 3 days prep in a high tech lab. I won't post very many Majestic pics/feats here as I have already done that several times over   \:\-D  
 

Numbers: My team starts off with a 7 to 6 numbers advantage. I don't really count his LMDs because they will be cannon fodder for Magneto. Of course, the Manhunter robot will soon follow the LMDs to the recycle bin. 

Vulnerability to Magneto's metal manipulation: Mjolnir is vulnerable to Magneto's powers, so unless otherwise shown, there is no reason to think that Ultimate Mjolnir,  the Bloodaxe, the Soulsword, and perhaps even the Cosmic Control Rod wouldn't be vulnerable as well. If the user is separated from the Bloodaxe for more than 60 seconds they revert to mortal form, so that's always a possibility. Isn't Fate's Helmet metal? If so, Magneto could potentially separate him from his helmet, severely weakening him. As I said earlier, Rehzon's Manhunter robot and LMDs will be destroyed by Magneto almost as soon as the fight starts. So early on my numbers advantage goes from 7 to 6 to a 7 to 5 advantage. 

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Hoth is an ice planet, but like any other planet, it has a magnetic field for Magneto to draw power from. The rocky snow covered terrain likely has metals dispersed within it, so the land itself is Magneto's to manipulate. 


There's a human inside each OMAC and most of Rehzon's team would likely hold back against one due to this fact. 

The scans Rehzon provided of Majestic and the Wildcats vs Tapestry are a bit misleading. Tapestry had time to prepare for her fight with the Wildcats and the prep was one sided. She took the Wildcats by surprise. The prep is not one sided here. My team knows exactly what they're going up against in Dr. Fate and the rest of Rez's team, so catching my team unawares is unlikely.  



The following pic shows what happens when Majestic is prepared to take on a magic user. The narration states that "Magicians on both sides tremble as Majestic's fervor allows him to shrug off incantations that would topple giants. This is unknown, but his bravery and intensity are a familiar legend, one they never expected to find alive and fighting by their side. It's a sight they'll never forget." So a potential match up of Majestic vs. Dr. Fate is by no means a mismatch. It would likely favor Majestic b/c he has much more prep time. He is a dangerous opponent anyway, but he's proven that his tactical mind and genius intellect make him even more dangerous when he has time to prepare. 

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Majestic speed blitzes a bunch of Daemonites. Rehzon's team can't come close to his speed. He could potentially take the Cosmic Control Rod away from Mr. Terrific before he knows whats happening. 
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Since my team has a numbers advantage, I'd imagine it wouldn't be difficult for Majestic to use his super speed and take the Cosmic Control Rod from Mr. Terrific while he's distracted due to taking on more than one opponent.
 
Invisible Woman takes the Cosmic Control Rod from Blastaar while he's distracted fighting Human Torch.
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Demonstrating high durability, Majestic tanks a nuclear explosion, no prob. 
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Again, context matters. The scan from Dreamwar that Rehzon posted shows Raven catching Majestic completely off guard. Again in this scenario, Majestic didn't know what he was walking into; however, in this fight he has detailed knowledge, 3 days in a lab prep and 3 days on field to prepare, so taking him down in a via surprise attack will prove much more difficult. 

The scans he posted of Iron Man in the Endo-Sym armor actually seem to favor my team as it appears Magneto had no trouble affecting that armor, regardless of whatever adaptability it may have. 

Additionally the scan he posted of 616 Tony having some anti magnetic defenses doesn't hold much water. More recently Tony has proven he can't completely protect himself from Magneto manipulating his armor unless his armor is not composed of any metal, as in Avengers vs. X-men. 
These pics from Avengers vs. X-men show Iron Man in a non metal armor fighting Magneto. Even still Magneto was on the cusp of victory, stating that he grows stronger even as Stark grows weaker. He was drawing power from not just Earth's magnetic field, but as his narration states, every planet within reach. Magneto ends up losing this fight, but only because he became distracted as he felt the destruction of a planet by the Phoenix force and he admits he suddenly realized how pointless the battle was. 
Basically my point here is to show that even a prepped Iron Man in a non metal armor couldn't beat Magneto without Magneto becoming distracted due to the planetary destruction the Phoenix force was causing.
There is no reason to believe Mr. Terrific will fare any better as it has been shown the Endo-Sym Armor can be affected by Magneto. Additionally the numbers game works out in my favor so Mr. Terrific will likely be facing a double team. 




Ultimate Tony Stark will integrate the Father Box with his armor which will increase his armor's overall power, effectiveness and sensitivity allowing him to predict his opponent's moves and counter them like 616 Tony did in JLA/Avengers. 

Iron_Man_Mother_Box

Tony can use the T-Spheres modified during prep in various ways as they have proven to be pretty versatile. Perhaps he uses it to imprison his opponent in a stasis field that has shown capable of hurting Captain Nazi. Mr. Terrific has used them in such a way. If he will, Ultimate Tony will have no qualms about it. Tony could creates neural dampeners to KO his opponents. He could use them as projectile weapons, shoot energy  blasts or bolts of electricity, or even create gravity fields. The possibilities are endless. He could have them attuned to his Bleeding Edge Armor and use them to scout the battlefield and have an early warning system to detect the opposing team, so that my team can act accordingly. With the addition of the Father Box enabling him to predict the opponent's moves combined with John Stewart's military background and Majestic's thousands of years of fighting experience as a Kheran warlord,  my team will have a significant tactical advantage before and during the fight.

Sanderson Hawkins dons the Blue Beetle armor, which puts him at a pretty sizable disadvantage considering I have John Stewart among my team's ranks. The Scarab tends to go crazy when a Green Lantern is in close proximity. John has years of experience with his ring, while Sanderson will only have 1 month to learn to use the Scarab. If they end up matching up, it's advantage John. John's willpower and skill with the ring dwarfs anything Sanderson can do with the Scarab. Sanderson also has the Soulsword, but he'd have to get in close to use it on John and John won't make that easy, especially considering he'll have prior knowledge of it. Sand may not even have the Soulsword at this point if Magneto is able to use his powers pull it from his grasp. If Sand is able to hold onto the sword, then Mags uses his power to repeatedly hurl Sanderson into the mountains of Hoth. 

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Despite their weaponry and power, Dr Midnite and Wildcat have no protection against the Cable's ability to transmute himself into any element he chooses, particularly, gas. If knockout gas can effect 616 Thor, I see no reason why it wouldn't KO Midnite and Wildcat. Even though Dr. Fate's physical form is highly durable thanks to Nabu's power, he is still vulnerable to gas attacks. It probably wouldn't be difficult for Cable to telekinetically remove Fate's Helmet either. 

Thor_KOgas

This is an old pre crisis occurrence, but it shows Fate can be stopped by something as simple as gas. 


 While his team also has detailed knowledge of mine, Cable obviously included....I did not draft Uber Cable. I drafted meta level Cable and had him use the Mother Box to heal himself of the T-O virus during training, thereby transforming him into Uber Cable. His team will have no clue they are about to face this high powered version of Cable and will be caught completely unawares.

Rehzon tries to make a case that I won't have Uber Cable because it was Deadpool's healing factor that cured Cable of the T-O virus. However as I have stated and demonstrated before with scans, the Mother Box has been used to heal people such as Darkseid and Superman at an incredible rate and essentially acts as a healing factor. It even saved Darkseid from certain death after he took a beating from Hunter/Prey Doomsday and Superman remarked at how quickly Darkseid recovered thanks to Mother Box's power.  I can provide those scans again if necessary.  Mother Box draws it's power from The Source so it's power and usage has proven pretty versatile. The power of The Source supercedes that of a techno organic virus. Not only can Mother Box be used for healing, but also matter and energy manipulation purposes. It can manipulate matter at the atomic level. It should have little trouble purging Cable of the T-O virus enabling him to reach his full power. 

Mother Box manipulates atoms in order to change Orion's facial appearance
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His team has zero defense against Uber Cable's psi power. Now with the addition of the Orb of Ra giving him the powers of MetaMorpho, Cable may not even need to use the Mother Box to heal himself anymore b/c the T-O virus should be utterly and completely removed from his body due to the transformation at the atomic level thanks to the Orb of Ra. So now you have an Uber Cable that is nigh impossible to hurt and can transmute himself into virtually anything. 

Metamorpho

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He'll also be able to form weapons to use during the battle.

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Uber Cable can also use his Mother Box for various purposes such as creating more weapons to bring to the fight like Superman did against Hunter/Prey Doomsday or he could Boom tube his opponents away from the battle. The Mother Boxes are pretty versatile after all. He can also use his own power to BFR an opponent. 

Uber Cable BFR his opponent to the moon. He could do something similar to some members of Rehzon's team. Even if they can travel back to the fight using their items, it will take valuable time, time that my team will use to their advantage. 

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Cable blocks the impact of 247 missiles and funnels the energy out of the atmosphere. 
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Using his TK to construct and build on a massive scale
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 How's Mr. Terrific going to use the Cosmic Control Rod if Cable attacks his mind and hacks his nervous system?  Mr. Terrific is not ruthless and certainly not a killer. He does believe in "Fair Play" after all. Even if he has a chance to use the Cosmic Control rod before Cable hacks his mind or someone else takes it from him(i.e. Magneto, Majestic, etc.), he will probably be somewhat limited in his use of it due to his mindset and morality. 

Cable demonstrating planetary level telepathy


Disintegrating a rocket launcher. He could probably do the same to Mr. Terrific's Endo-Sym armor. 
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Using TK to block Cyclop's optic blasts
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This is meta level Cable demonstrating his skill by taking out Colossus with his telepathy and TK

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As you can see there are many ways my team can win. The numbers game works out in my favor shortly after the fight starts largely thanks to Magneto. Double teams will inevitably ensue and my team will press this advantage and eventually win.

Vote Joe Fixit \:\-D







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17pts- CHAMPION ( no gem)
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11352/1781912-armygy4.jpg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champion_of_the_Universe


1pt- DOC SAVAGE with the QUANTUM BANDS
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Clark_Savage,_Jr._(Earth-616)


1pt- CONAN the THUNDERER with MJOLNIR
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Conan_(Earth-616)


1pt- MASTER IZO (Stick's freakin mentor!) with The GRASSCUTTER and the GEM OF CYTTORAK
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/master-izo/4005-60776/
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Grasscutter_Sword


17pts- SKREET
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/skreetlunatik.htm


1pt- STARLORD with THE GREEN POWER RING


6pts- BALDER with CAPTAIN AMERICA's SHIELD


KREE SENTRY


Extras:
Metaphysical Bubble 7pts
1 month for training 3pts
VAP: Kree Sentry

May the best team win.




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"I am made of things your philosophy will never comprehend." -Loki
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Ultimate Tony and 616 Tony are different!





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Even without the LMD's basically switching sides in the first 2 seconds


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    Quote:
    Even without the LMD's basically switching sides in the first 2 seconds
Ultimate Stark (though a genius) lacks the history of 616 Stark. LMDs turning? How about after being combined with a piece of Endo-Sym, that has its own will and consciousness? Nano-technology with some alien material.
http://i.imgur.com/AF4LxLR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/evjOWnL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lnTWuip.jpg
http://m.imgur.com/jQvf5Ap?r

Combined with a T-Sphere tactical CPU, you'd have an almost Motherbox \:\)



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They are. I'll admit 1610 Tony is not quite 616 Tony, but close enough IMO. 





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    Quote:
    Combined with a T-Sphere tactical CPU, you'd have an almost Motherbox \:\)


You don't have T-Spheres as you drafted Mr. Terrific with no gear. I suppose he could work on some during your lab prep, but you only have 12 hours so what he can get done is likely pretty limited. Besides I'd argue that's a bit of a reach to say that the combo of those items are even close to the capability of a Mother Box as they don't have the power of The Source backing them.





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    Quote:
    You don't have T-Spheres as you drafted Mr. Terrific with no gear. I suppose he could work on some during your lab prep, but you only have 12 hours so what he can get done is likely pretty limited. Besides I'd argue that's a bit of a reach to say that the combo of those items are even close to the capability of a Mother Box as they don't have the power of The Source backing them.

With his intelligence and knowledge of building technology, he can whip up Endo-Sym versions of the T-Spheres (like the Engineer), considering all it take is mental commands to shape pieces:
http://i.imgur.com/lnTWuip.jpg
http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/01/supim2014004-int2-04-118088.jpg

I said an "almost" Motherbox. T-Spheres can also create force-field, tap into systems, and use different types of energy. Even with the Source power access a Motherbox can burn out or be destroyed. http://imgur.com/pRODPFI

How about Endo-Sym T-Spheres linked to the Cosmic Control Rod? \:\)



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Joe Fixit (2) - The Overseers


Mr. Majestic -- 23
Magneto (No blood tricks) -- 12
Cable(classic) --3 -- Mother Box - 8 pts+ Jade Tiger Amulet - 4 pts; Orb of Ra exposure [give user the powers of Metamorpho] 12 pts
John Stewart -- 1 -- GL ring - 14 pts
Tony Stark(Ultimate) -- 1 -- Iron Man Bleeding Edge Armor - 13 pts + Father Box 8 pts + T Spheres 3 pts

VAP:
-Manhunter Robot -- 14
-OMAC Drone -- 14

Extras:
-Detailed knowledge of opponents and items -- 5
-1 months training -- 3
-3 days prep high tech lab -- 4
-3 days on field prep -- 4
-Kryptonite Power Source for OMAC -- 1



***VERSUS*** Battlefield: Hoth
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoth





Rehzon - JSA-mazing

Dr. Fate (Hector) 23

Sanderson Hawkins 6
-the Soulsword 8pts
-Blue Beetle Sacarab 8

Mr. Terrific (no gear) 1
-Cosmic Control Rod 15
IM Mark 50 "Endo-Sym Armor" (13pts)

Dr Midnite 1
-the Bloodaxe 15pts

Wildcat 1
-Ultimate Mjolnir


Manhunter Robot 14 pts
-Life Model Decoy 2 pts (Mr. Terrific)
-Life Model Decoy 2 pts (Wildcat)
-Life Model Decoy 2 pts (Doctor Fate)

--12 hours in a high tech lab - 2 pts
--18 hrs. in a Sorcerer's Sanctum - 3 pts
--6 hrs. on field prep - 1 pt.
--1 month training with the Ancient One - 4 pts
--Detailed Knowledge of opponents and their items - 5 pts
--Personality rewrite: Dr Midnight's personality the same. Though the influence of the BA, is that he will use lethal attacks, If necessary to defeat an opponent. 3 pts










The scans of Iron-Man vs Magneto Joe posted are of Magneto at EM Spectrum level/Blood Tricks level. Increasing the scan size of those scans reveals Magneto stops fighting because his power level was enough that his energy manipulation was killing near by planets:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/3504981-comic+scan+37.jpg

Not the Magneto level in this tournament. This one is:
http://imgur.com/utdMbuP


Remember Mr. Terrific has prep details on Magneto's energy frequency.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4563786-misterterrific-1-zone-005.jpg to the fight expecting it.

Also the Cosmic Control Rod's energy transmutation:
https://m.imgur.com/a/1KMPN

Classic Thor When ready for Magneto:
https://i.stack.imgur.com/iWt5g.jpg

Dr. Midnite has the Bloodaxe:
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Magneto is at a disadvantage with no metal on Hoth. In the scans below, Stark is snuck by Magneto, but the armor quickly adapts to magnetism:
http://imgur.com/A6Fb2zv
http://imgur.com/ZrjwkeS
http://imgur.com/KgSOiwi



Mr. Terrific:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4563786-misterterrific-1-zone-005.jpg


Besides, Magneto isn't getting past Blue Beetle:
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Dr. Fate vs Cable/Metamorpho:

Cable, but not "Uber" Cable. "In the weeks that followed, the techno-organic virus returned in Nate's system, having been too tightly bonded to his DNA to ever truly be gone. And yet, Cable's powers and his control over them had grown so much that inhibiting the virus now took up only the smallest fraction of his psychic power, barely limiting him at all. In fact, his powers were growing too strong and Cable recognized that sometime soon they would become too much for his body to contain, killing him. He began to ponder what sort of legacy he could leave the world... how to truly use his awesome power in the best possible way before it (and he) were gone."
https://uncannyxmen.net/characters/cable/page/0/6
Cable's psi level was growing 'Uber' level in that story and a "fraction" was enough to keep the techno virus in check. The virus was not holding his growing psi potential back at all. Being infected with the facade virus made the TO killer crazy, so Deadpool's dna got rid of it restoring the TO to normal control. What good's a Motherbox without the Cable's growing psionic level in that story? You didn't choose Cable from the Cable/Deadpool story, you chose earlier "Classic" version.

"Nathan's T-O infection reverted back to his control." Cable still had his techno parts when his psi/tk were amped. Though if a MB can totally heal/cure.. wouldn't Cable end up mortal?

Cable has Metamorpho's power..
Hoth is deserted and if the weather is cold and windy like in the film, doesn't really favor some of Metamorpho's abilities.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2567510-mm_gas1.jpg


Cable has any form of psi, Endo-Sym defense:
http://m.imgur.com/jQvf5Ap?r

He also posts a scan of Pre Crisis Kent Nelson (who was using the half Helm at the time)
https://image.ibb.co/eq0wK5/mf_76_005.png
and not usual full Helm:
http://www.impulsegamer.com/fate/drfate2.gif

to say the Dr Fate (Hector) I've chosen here:
http://i.imgur.com/JlHpn1P.jpg
https://skoce.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/102914_0558_jsarereadpa5.png?w=676
would be effected by some gas? \:\) Besides the fact Hector also has prep and details? \:\)
http://imgur.com/a/zx4tD#0

In his scan of Thor dropping to gas - is it normal or magical? Not that it matters, considering Terrific can hook teammates up with Endo-Sym T-Masks.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/11111/111115328/3817533-mr+terrific+t-mask.jpg

Dr. Fate would turn the Metamorpho powers against him:
http://i.imgur.com/C0NO4W1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bi7AIA4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aZdmR9q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CnuAAPL.jpg
Weather control:
http://i.imgur.com/Bwan3Gs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FSLq69U.jpg

Either Majestic or John Stewart vs either Dr. Midnite or Wildcat.
Dr. Midnite with Bloodaxe:
"--Personality rewrite: Dr Midnight's personality the same. Though the influence of the BA, is that he will use lethal attacks, If necessary to defeat an opponent. 3 pts"

Majestic is a genius in tech building and strategy, but also likes the challenge of a straight-up combat:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160511/6710ea751e93d027b682b930dcfad23d.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160511/7bba94f425b29f4a96038fc336fc7fe2.jpg

http://imgur.com/CYDH3Mb
http://imgur.com/VaZn4Bf
http://imgur.com/oq8jXS9

https://ibb.co/iKtYhQ


The fights with those four go on awhile. And since Dr. Fate & Blue Beetle have won their fights quicker, they come in to back Wildcat & Dr. Midnite.


Unlike his scan of Majestic surprise blitzing wizards somewhere, Dr Fate has detailed knowledge of him, and wouldn't be a sitting duck:
http://i.imgur.com/CxckDp0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tMW9IjF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tra1EHf.jpg
Some precog:
http://i.imgur.com/zo3yE5l.jpg


Were the magic users Majestic faced uber or low level spellcasters? We don't know, but Majestic effected by strong enough magic it seems, and Dr. Fate has had 18 hours magical prep:
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He can then bfr Majestic, like so:
http://imgur.com/a/sk00e
http://imgur.com/a/Bl4vm







Mr. Terrific Endo-Sym + CCR + Endo-Spheres + Automatons vs Ultimate Stark Bleeding Edge + Fatherbox + T-Spheres:

Stark has T-Spheres- Mr. Terrific created them, through Endo-Sym nanotechnology, creates better ones:

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/01/supim2014004-int2-04-118088.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lnTWuip.jpg

T-Mask: He is invisible to all forms of electronic detection. This ability is tied to nanotechnology woven into his specially designed "T-Mask" (which is molecular-bonded to his face and can disappear at will) and costume.
Mister Terrific was apparently the only super-hero whom the OMACs could not detect. His mask also protects his face from chemicals and relays mental commands to his T-Spheres by detecting the subtle movements on his face.
The mask works in conjunction with an ear piece to acts as a communications system. Through his mask, Holt can change instantaneously into costume and back again.
Holt's mask also doubles as a encephalic broadcaster, picking up aggregate thought-waves, allowing him to communicate with his T-Spheres and even project a speaking hologram of himself, even if he is injured or too weak to speak.

ES is alive, has consciousness, will, and immune to empty, so no hacking:
http://m.imgur.com/CutcZ4T?r
http://i.imgur.com/AF4LxLR.jpg

U-Stark has a fatherbox. Bios sstate it was created to influence Orion to the side of Darkseid. How would that effect Stark?


End-Sym powered by the Cosmic Control Rod powerwise > Bleeding Edge + Fatherbox. A Motherbox burnt out after opening a few boomtubes and healing Superman from Doomsday attacks:
http://imgur.com/pRODPFI
So Endo-Sym & Cosmic Control Rod attacks, burn it out too.

Unlike Annihilus and Blastaar, Terrific won't have it out and around his neck \:\) it be in the armor. Johnny Storm had it strapped to his arm:
http://insidepulse.com/2011/11/23/fantastic-four-spoilers-whatever-happened-to-the-human-torch/

CCR vs Gladiator:
https://postimg.org/image/ujhpa2jch/

Matching Jane Thor:
http://m.imgur.com/xTu2mAz?r







End Sym protection from attacking armors:
https://i.imgur.com/tXhJviA_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

https://m.imgur.com/a/YJjOL

https://m.imgur.com/a/rBokv





The Scarab panicked encountering Guy Gardner GL. But that was also with a young host he just met, who had just received it and had no combat experience. But later experienced, was cool vs an opponent with yellow ring:

https://m.imgur.com/a/MUDYC

Sand will have had a month of training with it. Sand and the Scarab would likely go after easier targets like Cable/Metamorpho or Magneto, unless working in combination with the Manhunter robot:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ikHU7lf.jpg[/img]


Sandman construct and soldier decoys:
http://i.imgur.com/Z8mUmb9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4zz0srR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DkoxWvF.jpg

Mini quake:
http://i.imgur.com/XyKUA7T.jpg

Sandstorm:
http://i.imgur.com/9cVcF41.jpg









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Rehzon makes some compelling points. Especially about the Mother Box healing Cable of that virus. Joe has used examples of the Mother Box healing Darkseid and Superman as reason enough that his Cable would be healed of that virus that limits his powers. What Joe has failed to realize is, the Mother Box only healed Darkseid and Superman's "physical" injuries. Darkseid was beaten by Doomsday, Superman's arm was broken. There is no proof a mother box can actually heal a virus, which is completely different than a physical injury.

Rehzon is onto something in his reasoning with the Mother Box as well and his other points.

My vote is for Rehzon.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong.
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        You don't have T-Spheres as you drafted Mr. Terrific with no gear. I suppose he could work on some during your lab prep, but you only have 12 hours so what he can get done is likely pretty limited. Besides I'd argue that's a bit of a reach to say that the combo of those items are even close to the capability of a Mother Box as they don't have the power of The Source backing them.

      With his intelligence and knowledge of building technology, he can whip up Endo-Sym versions of the T-Spheres (like the Engineer), considering all it take is mental commands to shape pieces:
      http://i.imgur.com/lnTWuip.jpg
      http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/01/supim2014004-int2-04-118088.jpg



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    I said an "almost" Motherbox. T-Spheres can also create force-field, tap into systems, and use different types of energy. Even with the Source power access a Motherbox can burn out or be destroyed. http://imgur.com/pRODPFI



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It's unclear that the items Joe assigned to Meta-level Cable would actually turn him into Uber Cable. That was a gamble, and given Rehzon's evidence, I have my doubts about whether it would pay off or not.

Also, I've repeatedly objected to Magneto being drafted as a PM in the past, and although I gave up doing so as it happened so often, my view is that if you take Magneto at PM, then you don't get the benefit of his high-end showings, i.e. drawing on the magnetic fields of other planets, or tossing aircraft carriers around. And if Terrific uses his prep window to demagnetize his team's items, as I think he'd at least attempt to do (he'd be mad not to), then a PM-level "classic" Magneto would be significantly hampered in this environment.

Vote Rehzon.




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    Also, I've repeatedly objected to Magneto being drafted as a PM in the past, and although I gave up doing so as it happened so often, my view is that if you take Magneto at PM, then you don't get the benefit of his high-end showings, i.e. drawing on the magnetic fields of other planets, or tossing aircraft carriers around. And if Terrific uses his prep window to demagnetize his team's items, as I think he'd at least attempt to do (he'd be mad not to), then a PM-level "classic" Magneto would be significantly hampered in this environment.


VERY good poin, SD! That is something I hadn't considered! Magneto being a PM would logically limit his powerset.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong.
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    Rehzon makes some compelling points. Especially about the Mother Box healing Cable of that virus. Joe has used examples of the Mother Box healing Darkseid and Superman as reason enough that his Cable would be healed of that virus that limits his powers. What Joe has failed to realize is, the Mother Box only healed Darkseid and Superman's "physical" injuries. Darkseid was beaten by Doomsday, Superman's arm was broken. There is no proof a mother box can actually heal a virus, which is completely different than a physical injury.



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    Rehzon is onto something in his reasoning with the Mother Box as well and his other points.



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    My vote is for Rehzon.


Deadpool's healing factor enabled Cable to overcome the T-O virus and reach his full power. The Mother Box can provide the user with a healing factor if needed as scans have shown and it can manipulate/transmute matter on the atomic level hence it changing Orion's facial appearance. That's why I provided that additional scan to show its far more capable than just simply healing injuries. A Mother Box was able to use its power to essentially make weapons from nothing for Superman to use against Doomsday in Hunter/Prey. I fail to see why a TO virus would be too much for it to overcome. Mother Boxes can also interface with tech. Besides purging Cable of the TO virus via healing and transmutation, it could merge with the techno virus and prevent it from spreading thereby allowing Cable to access his full power b/c he no longer would have to focus his abilities on preventing the spread of the TO virus in his body.

Additionally, consider I gave Cable the Orb of Ra. Given he can manipulate and transmute his own atoms with that power he should be purged of the T.O virus even without the Mother Box. Regardless, Rehzon's team doesn't have much in the way of psi defense anyway. It just seems like

Also as you can see Thor can still be taken out by knockout gas seeping through his skin. If Cable chooses to do this Wildcat, Doc Midnite, and even Fate would be vulnerable to it.







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Not a sway attempt.

Many have created/used robotic doubles besides Stark. Who's versions of the LMDs are in the tournament? Unknown. 616 Stark had trouble dealing with his own LMDs once they became sentient somehow:
http://www.advancediron.org/vault/sentientironman.php

So Ultimate Stark isn't any luckier with my upgrade LMDs mentioned in
the above post.






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This one is up to you guys.  Sorry, I've got a move, vacation and job change all going on at once.

All I'll say is HUGE prep advantage.





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We know Magneto doesn't use blood tricks that often, but is there a version of Magneto -- who's not depowered in some way -- who isn't capable of using blood tricks if he wants to? He could use them as far back as the '70s at least, so it certainly wasn't a late addition to his powerset.

And if pretty much all powered versions of Magneto are capable of using blood tricks, then what are you actually drafting when you specify Magneto with no blood tricks? It seems to me you're essentially attempting to draft modern Magneto with a personality rewrite, as opposed to a version that actually existed.

Magneto is regularly drafted as a PM, but he's more often specified as "classic" Magneto in those cases, rather than Magneto with no blood tricks. And that makes more sense to me, as classic Magneto is a version that did actually exist in the comics.




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    We know Magneto doesn't use blood tricks that often, but is there a version of Magneto -- who's not depowered in some way -- who isn't capable of using blood tricks if he wants to? He could use them as far back as the '70s at least, so it certainly wasn't a late addition to his powerset.



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    And if pretty much all powered versions of Magneto are capable of using blood tricks, then what are you actually drafting when you specify Magneto with no blood tricks? It seems to me you're essentially attempting to draft modern Magneto with a personality rewrite, as opposed to a version that actually existed.



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    Magneto is regularly drafted as a PM, but he's more often specified as "classic" Magneto in those cases, rather than Magneto with no blood tricks. And that makes more sense to me, as classic Magneto is a version that did actually exist in the comics.


I believe it was Hercules he used blood tricks on back in the day. I've seen Magneto listed both ways drafted as a PM. Early on he was able to manipulate Earth's magnetic field for various effects such as moving magma beneath the ground and causing volcanic eruptions or causing earthquakes in cities. The large objects he lifts via metal manipulation aren't anything a top end brick PM couldn't lift. Even in the late 80s with no blood tricks he stalemated an inexperienced cosmic Spider-Man. He's always been pretty formidable even without the blood tricks, but also viewed and taken as a PM. He can still be somewhat limited by the amount of metal in a given area though. Barring any blood tricks how would he fare against say..... Hercules? It could go either way. I'll agree blood tricks Mags is lower end herald, but Magneto with no blood tricks is a PM IMO, but you obviously don't view him that way and that's fine. I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes though. It just feels like the power and effectiveness of my team is being purposefully down played.





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      We know Magneto doesn't use blood tricks that often, but is there a version of Magneto -- who's not depowered in some way -- who isn't capable of using blood tricks if he wants to? He could use them as far back as the '70s at least, so it certainly wasn't a late addition to his powerset.

      And if pretty much all powered versions of Magneto are capable of using blood tricks, then what are you actually drafting when you specify Magneto with no blood tricks? It seems to me you're essentially attempting to draft modern Magneto with a personality rewrite, as opposed to a version that actually existed.

      Magneto is regularly drafted as a PM, but he's more often specified as "classic" Magneto in those cases, rather than Magneto with no blood tricks. And that makes more sense to me, as classic Magneto is a version that did actually exist in the comics.


    I believe it was Hercules he used blood tricks on back in the day. I've seen Magneto listed both ways drafted as a PM. Early on he was able to manipulate Earth's magnetic field for various effects such as moving magma beneath the ground and causing volcanic eruptions or causing earthquakes in cities. The large objects he lifts via metal manipulation aren't anything a top end brick PM couldn't lift. Even in the late 80s with no blood tricks he stalemated an inexperienced cosmic Spider-Man. He's always been pretty formidable even without the blood tricks, but also viewed and taken as a PM. He can still be somewhat limited by the amount of metal in a given area though. Barring any blood tricks how would he fare against say..... Hercules? It could go either way. I'll agree blood tricks Mags is lower end herald, but Magneto with no blood tricks is a PM IMO, but you obviously don't view him that way and that's fine. I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes though. It just feels like the power and effectiveness of my team is being purposefully down played.


I made the same argument against the "Magneto with no blood tricks" designation in 2014, so it's not something I came up with just to be difficult here. The views I expressed on this subject back then are the same views I hold now.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=comicbattles-2014092522454420&layout=thread


To be clear, I didn't mean to suggest you were trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. When I used the word "you" in the middle paragraph of my previous reply, I meant it in a general sense, rather than you personally. I.e. anyone who drafts Magneto with no blood tricks is essentially trying to get modern Magneto with a personality tweak (same thing I argued back in 2014).

And the notion of drafting Magneto with blood tricks is similarly questionable -- does it follow that he'll definitely use blood tricks in every fight if you draft him that way, even though he doesn't in the comics? We don't generally employ this practice with other characters, so I'm not sure why it's done with Magneto. Could I draft a version of Thor who'd definitely use the Godblast, for example? Or a version of Superman who'd definitely speedblitz? Or would I be expected to take my chances with those characters, based on their existing track records? The latter is what usually applies.

My opinion is that modern Magneto is a Low-Planetary/Herald level character, one class down from the likes of Superman and Thor, irrespective of whether he's specifically using blood tricks or not. Yes, tossing an aircraft carrier wouldn't be beyond PM-level Hercules, but despite having only one power on paper, modern Magneto is nowhere near as one-dimensional as Herc in practice.




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Rags' team does have a huge prep advantage, but Neph was relatively lucky (and smart in his selection) with Spoils of War, adding the Quantum Bands to what was already a power-stacked team. He has six Planetary-level characters now (including a Juggernaut and a Thor), plus Balder, all of whom are BFR-immune thanks to the Metaphysical Bubble Neph bought. Starlord will also be supercharged by Forge's Blue Lantern Ring, the same as Oracle. Even with ten days prep, I think Rags' team would be hard-pressed to deal with all that.

Vote Neph.




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