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Zarius


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http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/09/15/marvel-preview-invincible-iron-man-11-2/

"Got your attention"

I really want Renew Your Vows MJ to just swoop in and sucker punch this version the way Cap did to Stevil.


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Leonard


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,897



Yes, this seems like a story that needed to be told.

They should just close shop when Stan finally passes away. Just put the chairs on the tables, turn off the lights, lock the doors and take down the signs. Let it end, Lord, let it end.

Because this is like watching your grandpa, who was a tower of strength, turn into a confused, doddering old man.

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Also, can Amanda die please? That woman is getting entirely too good a treatment. "So you killed my father and then you just gave me, your own child, to SHIELD because you didn't even want to see me? That's awesome, would you like a controlling interest in my company? You know, the one that bears the name of the man who took me in and raised me as his own son?"

Oh, Bendis... there is no end to your suckitude.



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The Mandarin


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 4,955


I dunno. I've recently been trying to reconnect with my biological mother. It's been difficult because of the emotional issues inherent to being put up for adoption. But since everyone I've ever loved is dead, I've been highly motivated by the possibility of having family again. So I don't find it as implausible as you do that Stark would attempt to reconnect with his biological mother. Hell, at least Stark's mom left him with rich people. My mom left me with my paternal grandparents in the swamp where I got to swat mosquitoes and skin alligators and nutria.




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Leonard


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,897



1) That's heartbreaking. I had no idea.

2) She didn't leave him with rich people, she left him with SHIELD.



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The Mandarin


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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The point is; the desire for family can make a person forgive a great deal.




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Grey Gargoyle


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,493



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    Also, can Amanda die please? That woman is getting entirely too good a treatment. "So you killed my father and then you just gave me, your own child, to SHIELD because you didn't even want to see me? That's awesome, would you like a controlling interest in my company? You know, the one that bears the name of the man who took me in and raised me as his own son?"

    Oh, Bendis... there is no end to your suckitude.

Actually, I can see the Mandarin inventing this whole story so that he would have a mole working for him, close to Tony's heart.

The Mandarin himself is an orphan and he was left in the care of his evil aunt.


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The Mandarin


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A mole? Or maybe a way to finally, truly, permanently cause Stark pain. Give him someone to love, then take her away forever.

Or, if that fails, then he's proven that Stark is as soulless, and hollow as his armor.

Either way, The Mandarin wins. He either gets to torture Stark's humanity, or mock the fact that Stark has no humanity to torture.




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Leonard


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Can this happen, please.

A perfect opportunity to resolve the Amanda situation, to give the Mandarin some much-needed emotional background and to flush the Fraction Mandarin origin story for good.



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Grey Gargoyle


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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... since the Mandarin has been presumed dead since December 2012.

In September 2013, Arno Stark is suspiciously (re)introduced on Earth-616 as the biological son of Howard Stark instead of being the future son of Morgan Stark.

Morgan has tried for decades to take over Stark Industries and Arno might inherit the company in the future. Morgan worked for the Maggia (Count Nefaria & Big M) and then Mordecai Midas & Madame Masque. Morgan once used a visio-projector to make Tony hallucinate and think he's seeing aliens. Andros, another relative of Morgan & Arno, also became a supervillain in the future.

So, just like Morgan used to work for supervillains, Arno might currently work for Mandarin.

Mandarin has the technological know-how to program and control a dysfunctional Rigellian Recorder.
You'll also notice that Amanda rhymes with Mandarin.
And, when Mandarin started his career, he used to be obsessed with the legacy of his lineage (his dead parents, his aunt and, last but not least, Genghis Khan). So, he might have decided to deprive Tony of his inheritance.

Mandarin used to "play chess" against Tony Stark but, since his "death", he might have decided, instead, to play a complex "Go game" against his archenemy.


A weird theory :
It is even possible that "Arno Stark" is actually an alias. The current "Arno Stark" might be the result of the Extremis virus on the Mandarin or one of his minions.

Currently, Arno is ... Mandarin City's new custodian. The current name of the city is ... Troy (as in Trojan Horse ?).

The city was attacked by the new bearers of the Mandarin's rings (smoke & mirrors ?).

What if Arno Stark is the true Mandarin, reborn since the conclusion of Iron Man Vol 4 #28 ?

The Fraction Mandarin might have been a decoy from the beginning.


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Alexandre Juliao


Member Since: Sat Oct 04, 2008
Posts: 522


Your theory make a lot of sense.

I reread these stories recently because I recalled an interview with Gillen, where he said that he was warned that Tony would be turned into the "Superior" Iron Man. So he planted on issue # 17, the seed for that story in case he decided to continue to write the book when the character had to take that course. And it was exactly in issue # 17 that Arno Stark first appeared.

In that issue, in the message recorded by Howard Stark for Tony, there is an important contradiction with that other recording that 451 showed to Tony in the previous storyline.

In issue # 17's message, Howard states that 451 implanted into the fetus a killer switch that would kill the boy when he was 30 years old. But why would 451 do that, if he needed Tony to pilot the Godkiller for all eternity? That makes no sense. I believe this is something that could be used to nullify the adoption storilne. Could, but never will.

Because Bendis has already retconed out of existence almost all of Gillen's stories, when he completely changed the circumstances of Tony's adoption in International Iron Man.


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Grey Gargoyle


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,493



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    Your theory make a lot of sense.


Many thanks. \:\-\)


    Quote:
    I reread these stories recently because I recalled an interview with Gillen, where he said that he was warned that Tony would be turned into the "Superior" Iron Man. So he planted on issue # 17, the seed for that story in case he decided to continue to write the book when the character had to take that course. And it was exactly in issue # 17 that Arno Stark first appeared.

    In that issue, in the message recorded by Howard Stark for Tony, there is an important contradiction with that other recording that 451 showed to Tony in the previous storyline.

    In issue # 17's message, Howard states that 451 implanted into the fetus a killer switch that would kill the boy when he was 30 years old. But why would 451 do that, if he needed Tony to pilot the Godkiller for all eternity? That makes no sense. I believe this is something that could be used to nullify the adoption storilne. Could, but never will.

    Because Bendis has already retconed out of existence almost all of Gillen's stories, when he completely changed the circumstances of Tony's adoption in International Iron Man.


I think that Tony Stark's current origin is too convoluted to withstand the test of time ... It reminds me the return of Peter Parker's parents at the end of David Michelinie run.

Just before Michelinie ended his run on Spider-Man, he "opened a backdoor" : Peter Parker's parents were actually two LMDs created & controlled by the Chameleon.

The main difference between Tony Stark and Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent (the 3 most well-known orphans of comics) is that Tony Stark's relationship with his parents was never a big part of the reason why he became Iron Man.

So, the current story feels like some kind of soap opera but won't have impact on the character ... except if it would be revealed that the Mandarin is behind all this, since the beginning.



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