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Reverend Meteor


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For me in no particular order:

1. Cable and everyone from his timeline.

2. The Phoenix Force...I just loathe any story where it's a crucial plot point.

3. The O5 X-Men

4. Cassandra Nova...she was just a bad idea.

5. Left over Age of Apocalypse characters. It was a great story. I don't want to ever see any of them again.

6. X-23 (the concept just seems silly to me...always has)

7. The deaths of the original Generation X members. I always thought Skin's death was particularly unfair and depressing. He was just thrown out like trash.

8. Madelyne Pryor's descent into evil. I really didn't like that. She was made evil to justify Scott being a crappy husband who bails on his family. I liked Madelyne fine when she wasn't evil.

9. The slaughter of the Grey family at their family reunion. That was really f*cking depressing and I don't think I've ever been more disgusted with a story. The story even has Jean Grey's mother dying hating her daughter. Hate hate hate it.

10. Hope Summers

Honorable mention to other things I hate: Old Man Logan, that whole Revanche storyline, kid Apocalypse, anything third Summers brother related and Moira's death.



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1. Everything from Morrison's run. No Cassandra. No Fantomex. No Sublime. No Emma/Scott Freakshow. No Jean death. No Xorn(eto or otherwise). If I never hear the word "Mummudrai" again it'll be too soon.

2. No Decimation. Thus no Hope Summers (even though she may as well not exist, since she spends most of her time in limbo), and no Bishop character assassination.

3. No AOA leftovers. Nate, Dark Beast, Holocaust, Sugarman-- each one grosser than the next.

4. No Grey family slaughter. I really think it was just part of the attempt to delete Jean from relevancy and push the Emma/Scott Freakshow.

5. No Old Man Logan. He should have just stayed in that repulsive future of Millar's.

6. Everything from Remender. All of that Apocalypse Seed crap. Anything from Uncanny Avengers too.

7. No Legacy cure guinea pig. Such a stupid plot device that someone had to sacrifice themselves.

8. No heel turns for: Emma, Mystique, Marrow, Juggernaut, Lady Mastermind, or Sabretooth. Villains they'd remain. Rotten to the core.

9. No sentient Danger Room. At the very least, I would twist her origin into being a spawn of Bastion, inserted when he stole all of the X-Men's tech.

10. No Jimmy Hudson, either. In fact, technically, Ultimate "mutants" should not count as main universe mutants. Ultimate "mutants" are the products of the Ultimate Weapon X program.


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but their history being relative and often spliced in with alternate realities I decided against it.



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    1. Everything from Morrison's run. No Cassandra. No Fantomex. No Sublime. No Emma/Scott Freakshow. No Jean death. No Xorn(eto or otherwise). If I never hear the word "Mummudrai" again it'll be too soon.


I don't think I liked any of his plots but I did kind of like seeing all the weirdo students. X-Men sort of became Futurama for a bit there.



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    2. No Decimation. Thus no Hope Summers (even though she may as well not exist, since she spends most of her time in limbo), and no Bishop character assassination.


Good one. I think Hope bothered me more than the actual de-mutant-ing.


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    3. No AOA leftovers. Nate, Dark Beast, Holocaust, Sugarman-- each one grosser than the next.


Yep


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    4. No Grey family slaughter. I really think it was just part of the attempt to delete Jean from relevancy and push the Emma/Scott Freakshow.


Made me so angry...


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    5. No Old Man Logan. He should have just stayed in that repulsive future of Millar's.


Exactly. Why would any writer want to reuse one of Millar's ideas. Ugh.


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    6. Everything from Remender. All of that Apocalypse Seed crap. Anything from Uncanny Avengers too.


I think I didn't read most of that...


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    7. No Legacy cure guinea pig. Such a stupid plot device that someone had to sacrifice themselves.


At the time it didn't bother me. I figured Moira would be back by now.


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    8. No heel turns for: Emma, Mystique, Marrow, Juggernaut, Lady Mastermind, or Sabretooth. Villains they'd remain. Rotten to the core.


Juggernaut didn't bother me so much. I've always seen him as more of a jerk than as someone truly evil. Then again he's probably killed people and I just haven't read those appearances.


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    9. No sentient Danger Room. At the very least, I would twist her origin into being a spawn of Bastion, inserted when he stole all of the X-Men's tech.


That just sounded like such a bad idea. I'm curious what the reaction was in the room when it was pitched. "It's like those TNG episodes where the Holodeck came alive that everyone always loves...but with the (dramatic pause) DANGER ROOM".


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    10. No Jimmy Hudson, either. In fact, technically, Ultimate "mutants" should not count as main universe mutants. Ultimate "mutants" are the products of the Ultimate Weapon X program.


He's a survivor from the Ultimate verse. He's a son of Wolverine. He doesn't deserve that name. There was never a chance for me to like him.




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Also:

- the nonsense about Nightcrawler & A(rcha)ngel being part of two different kinds of mutant sub-species who looked like demons & angels.

- the nonsense about Xorn's return.

- Sage/Tessa retconned as a mole working for Xavier.

- Danger as a character (the AI is less interesting than when it was, well, a training room).

- Everything written about Excalibur after Alan Davis left the book.

- Inferno

- the Psylocke/Revanche mess of a story

- Cyclops killing Professor X

- Mikhail Nikolaievitch Rasputin






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      1. Everything from Morrison's run. No Cassandra. No Fantomex. No Sublime. No Emma/Scott Freakshow. No Jean death. No Xorn(eto or otherwise). If I never hear the word "Mummudrai" again it'll be too soon.



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    I don't think I liked any of his plots but I did kind of like seeing all the weirdo students. X-Men sort of became Futurama for a bit there.

I like quite a few of them, too, but I'm willing to lose them.


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      5. No Old Man Logan. He should have just stayed in that repulsive future of Millar's.



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    Exactly. Why would any writer want to reuse one of Millar's ideas. Ugh.

I can understand why. Millar's FF was popular.


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      7. No Legacy cure guinea pig. Such a stupid plot device that someone had to sacrifice themselves.



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    At the time it didn't bother me. I figured Moira would be back by now.

I was talking about Colossus. In order to activate the cure, someone needed to be injected with it and die. He volunteered to be the guinea pig. Even though we got the very touching Kitty story that followed, where she spread his ashes, I hate it.

I am sad about Moira, but not overly bothered by her death. It upsets me more than all of her friends and lovers, apparently, because they're so accepting of Mystique being around (no, I don't accept that it wasn't her), but I think she went out well.


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      9. No sentient Danger Room. At the very least, I would twist her origin into being a spawn of Bastion, inserted when he stole all of the X-Men's tech.



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    That just sounded like such a bad idea. I'm curious what the reaction was in the room when it was pitched. "It's like those TNG episodes where the Holodeck came alive that everyone always loves...but with the (dramatic pause) DANGER ROOM".

I think it was more along the lines of:
Bendis: "Blah blah blah blah."
Everybody else: "Oh, Bendis said something. It must be cool. YAY!"

Mind you, I think it was pretty menacingly cool to have the Danger Room manipulate a poor Decimated mutant into suicide.


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-all the returns of the Phoenix/Jean

-Centire Morrison Run

-All the X-Men movies (except FIRST CLASS) and the black outfits

-Xavier as the X-traitor/Onslaught

-Madelyne Prior

-The Cable timeline w/all the Askani, various summers, etc (but I would keep Cable himself as a foe of apocalypse/legacy virus, etc)

-Corsair as Cyclop's father. Never liked the starjammers in general

-Wolverine's son, daughter, whatever.

-Old Man Logan

-AoA leftovers


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The death of Jean's family. It sounds like it happened in an X-Factor issue or storyline (Probably during Simonson's run.).
To answer the question, the X-universe has definitely become too convoluted in regards to characters like Psylocke, Cable, Rachel Summers, etc. I would also remove Vulcan, Wolverine's son, and Emma Frost becoming a villain again. Other things would be Longshot (He might not be a bad character, he just doesn't fit in on books. I don't think that he was meant to.), Shatterstar's origin and Nightcrawler's demonic origin, and Professor X covering up the mission via Deadly Genesis.I also liked Magneto being Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's father, so the should have kept that. And, oh yeah, all of that confusion about Xorn (After Morrison left.).


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I would like to switch the writers of The Teen Titans with the writers of the X-Men.

Therefore, Bob Haney would shepherd the X-Men and Roy Thomas would be the main writer for the X-Men in the 70s. In the 1980s, Marv Wolfman and George Perez would be the writer/artist for X-Men and Chris Claremont and John Byrne would be the New Teen Titans writer/artist. In the 2000s, you'd have the New Teen Titans Animated Series on Fox and the X-Men Go on Cartoon Network.

This would be really odd and fun.

- l.k.


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I like Cable & most of 90s X-Force. Askani? You betcha!

I like Bishop, just not his character assassination.

I like Generation X, just not goodie two-shoe Emma. My Emma would have been cursing the Hellions for being such failures. And demanding better from her next students.

I like Bastion... more than either Master Mold or Nimrod individually. Individually, they're as boring as plain, re-dried spaghetti. Bastion's got style and flash.

I'm cool with Onslaught, but only as a past, one-shot thing. I don't like how they continually bring It back.

I'm cool with Styfe as the evil clone. And bring back the MLF! So bizarre we saw zero from them when it comes to Inhumans.

Fatal Attractions was okay... just too bad it didn't kill Wolverine (and permanently).

Legion Quest & AOA are tolerable, provided they have zero carry overs.

OZT was great! And I adore Karima Shapandar, the Sentinel girl.

I actually wish Cerebro's fake X-Men would have stuck around.

I REALLY, REALLY WISH Our Lord Magneto would still be in control of a thriving Genosha.

I liked the idea of House of M, just not the way it played out. And that's the only vaguely X-related event I've liked in recent (since 2004) history.

Claremont's X-Treme X-Men was great! And I like Lifeguard.

Exodus & the Acolytes? Cool!

Bring back the Bedlam Brothers.

I tolerate Deadpool's existence, just not entertained by him.

I could probably go on...


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Of course death in superhero comics doesn't usually last, but it seems to be a particular joke in the X-Universe (Wasn't Siryn actually making fun of Banshee being dead because she thought that everyone else returns, so why not him?). I'm not sure if Reverend Stryker was supposed to be a mainstray in the regular 616 X-Universe, but there's really no point in bringing him back a million times. Also, get Lady Deathstrike some consistent characterization. She seems to go from being a villain, to a semi-villain, to an ally, to a FLAT-OUT EVIL villain, and then back again. I would also remove Apocalypse being retconned to so many characters as well.


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And Cyber (The Wolverine villain.) is a really cool villain, but he seems to have been killed and resurrected so many times at this point that it's just a joke. I vote to just keep him gone for good at this point.


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Stryker's probably the best human villain the X-Men have ever had, and a perfect fit for the Church of Humanity. Not one of the Trasks were worth more than an arc. Same for Lang. And the films have only fueled Stryker's popularity.


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