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Subj: Re: That's a fair point...
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 at 01:48:52 pm EDT (Viewed 82 times)
Reply Subj: Re: That's a fair point...
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 at 11:13:00 am EDT (Viewed 97 times)




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        [EDIT - Addendum: Maybe Slade won't be a fun protagonist for the pull list afterall. Just read the newly revealed backstory death count he was responsible for in this week's Batman #28, The War of Jokes and Riddles, and it is disgusting. He was always bad but he was never this thug-for-hire mentality, tied into Gotham lore, or responsible for such irredeemable/reprehensible sloppy slaughtering. He seems retcontaminated now. Guess'll read Aquaman's next solicit...]

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        To be fair the writer on the Batman comic doesn't seem to be aware that the Deathstroke Christopher Priest is writing and favors is the very one that Marv Wolfman and George Perez created and what readers came to like, he is quite different to the reprehensible bandit seem roaming the DCU these last years and a thoughtless massacre such as the one Batman claims is way way out of step with the 'Rebirth' ethic and what Priest is writing him to be. Ruthlessly efficient and cold he may be, but unprofessional and careless enough to fight Deadshot in such a manner and at the needless expense of ordinary everyday pedestrians is as far away from the spirit of Wolfman and Priest's professionally minded Slade Wilson as I can imagine...

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    That is a totally fair point! Understandable to. Still, it's the inconsistent or inorganic development of a character that is often a turn off. It will be interesting if these concurrent takes (albeit different time frames) affect Slade's Q-rating or Diamond Sales Numbers with other readers. It's also the level and nuanced intention/premeditation with the violence of the anti-hero that decides my pull list factor. Many a Punisher volumes have been dropped because he went too dark. It's probably why Doom and Magneto and Lex and Joker can't keep a series for longer than a year. When Teminator had his previous longer running series, wasn't her mostly trying to do good and reforming? This added bloodshed in Batman just makes him less... likable. Why did they even put Slade in the Batman's Rogue Gallery past orgywar? If Wolfman's maturing template was used that would have been... good.

We share the same views! For all the comparisons made to him being an evil Captain America I myself always saw his Marvel equivalent as being none other than Kraven the Hunter. Like Kraven Slade Wilson operates as much a big-game hunter as he does a globe trotting gun for hire. Both are chasing a sense of personal satisfaction to be found in the hunt, in testing their skills and ability while pursuing a craft they take very seriously indeed. Both have adopted and developed a personal code of conduct, often a compromise of sorts between what they see as ethical and what they perceive as being fair play between themselves and their targeted prey.
I often wondered at the similarities between the two as in those Wolfman/Perez years Africa and the adventure of big game hunts was always a background feature to Wilson's private life as much as it was Kraven's...

Being old enough to be there for much of Wolfman & Perez' Teen Titans and then watching the gradual decline of Deathstroke through the 1990's and beyond it isn't hard to pinpoint the turning point to around the time of Identity Crisis, Green Arrow, and Geoff Johns' Teen Titans revival, where the writers involved seemed ignorant to the code of conduct and methods that the character lived by and he was brought into line with the more extreme end of more graphic violence and cruelty that was in vogue at the time. By that I mean to say that, for example, killing Phantom Lady as he did in Infinite Crisis and excusing it as "just business, nothing personal" isn't necessarily out of the paremeters that he lived under with Wolfman and Perez, but that the sheer violence of it and the fact he did is a fine example of how far comics editors and writers had shifted since the days of creators like Wolfman/Perez and were no longer considering what was best for the character and what was wholly inappropriate behaviour to show him engaging in.
It comes down to protecting the character. We embraced Deathstroke back in the 1980's and early 90s as he was unusual for an assassin/villain and like Wolverine the people he went after, and killed, were carefully positioned to be seen as entirely deserving of their fate. If Marv Wolfman back in his early Teen Titans and 1990s' Deathstroke series had shown Wilson coldly and recklessly massacring ordinary bystanders as the recent Batman issue did then that would have been the end of Deathstroke as a fan-favourite... nobody can support or care about such a callous and reprehensible figure as this. And it really says something that no one in the Batman office, or elsewhere at DC, intervened and vetoed this damaging and very uncharacteristic depiction before it went out to print...





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