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JimJ




Just picked up the latest issue and for the luvva money, it was awful!!! I had been looking forward so much to the "intro" of Yellowjacket and the wedding stuff, and all I can say is that it stunk like week-old fish!!! SPOILERS.......
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We see Hank as YJ taking out the fur thieves, who got a little more bloddthirsty, and after that he shows up at Avengers HQ and EVERYONE knows who he really is!!!!!! Sitwell and Jarvis even know! And then everyone takes the shrink's advice(how beautifully convenient she was there) to PLAY ALONG with the delusion of YJ that Hank is dead! Sorry, this is just too bloody much. Between that and the Black Panther subplot which is dragging on too long, this mini has just gone south. Ick.


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Michael




> We see Hank as YJ taking out the fur thieves, who got a little more bloddthirsty, and after that he shows up at Avengers HQ and EVERYONE knows who he really is!!!!!! Sitwell and Jarvis even know! And then everyone takes the shrink's advice(how beautifully convenient she was there) to PLAY ALONG with the delusion of YJ that Hank is dead! Sorry, this is just too bloody much. Between that and the Black Panther subplot which is dragging on too long, this mini has just gone south. Ick.
As several people have pointed out, Roy's original story made no sense. First, T'Challa's senses should have been able to detect that Hank was Yellowjacket. Second, if YJ admitted to killing Hank in front of witnesses, which he did, then why couldn't the Avengers arrest him?
Michael


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Ironguy




> As several people have pointed out, Roy's original story made no sense. First, T'Challa's senses should have been able to detect that Hank was Yellowjacket. Second, if YJ admitted to killing Hank in front of witnesses, which he did, then why couldn't the Avengers arrest him?


...but I sort of recall it making sense in the end that Panther, Hawk, and Wasp understood it was Hank all along. Its always been a bit weird that Jan married Hank while he wasn't in his right mind...but its never been related that she actually believed she was marrying a stranger who killed Hank Pym.

My quess is that the off panel stuff is there to soften the weirdness of why they would play along and not a retconn that they were never aware in the first place.

...ohhh btw...Circus of Crime next issue.


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Bobster





> We see Hank as YJ taking out the fur thieves, who got a little more bloddthirsty, and after that he shows up at Avengers HQ and EVERYONE knows who he really is!!!!!! Sitwell and Jarvis even know! And then everyone takes the shrink's advice(how beautifully convenient she was there) to PLAY ALONG with the delusion of YJ that Hank is dead! Sorry, this is just too bloody much. Between that and the Black Panther subplot which is dragging on too long, this mini has just gone south. Ick.

i think the additions to the hank pym goliath/yellowjacket situation actually make a lot of sense. sure, they probably didn't need to go back to that point in history and fill out the story, but the additions that they made seem perfectly logical. we already know that jan figured it out - and it's hard to believe t'challa wouldn't have. so while i love the original stories and always will, these additions seem to fit in perfectly with the hank pym we'll see over the next 35 years.




"They keep inventing new ways to celebrate mediocrity."

- Mr. Incredible



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pariscub





> We see Hank as YJ taking out the fur thieves, who got a little more bloddthirsty, and after that he shows up at Avengers HQ and EVERYONE knows who he really is!!!!!! Sitwell and Jarvis even know! And then everyone takes the shrink's advice(how beautifully convenient she was there) to PLAY ALONG with the delusion of YJ that Hank is dead! Sorry, this is just too bloody much.

It all makes sense. We know from the old story that Wasp knows and that it makes sense the Avengers would know as well(except maybe Hawkeye, but then again, he could be overreacting to "play along"). There is no other way they would have let Janet wed Yallowjacket otherwise. If you reread the original story, it's all there between panels.

Having say that, I'll read the issue tonight to make my definitive opinion




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MysteryMan




> > Its always been a bit weird that Jan married Hank while he wasn't in his right mind...but its never been related that she actually believed she was marrying a stranger who killed Hank Pym.

I always find this mind boggling that people can talk about what a psychotic freak Hank can be and his one slap of Jan gets waaaaayyy thrown out of proportion (mind you what he did was VERY wrong) and he gets turned into a wife beater...but Jan's little act here of marrying him when he is not in his right mind is just as sickening if not more so.

Which is too bad I really do like them as a couple.


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pariscub




> > > Its always been a bit weird that Jan married Hank while he wasn't in his right mind...but its never been related that she actually believed she was marrying a stranger who killed Hank Pym.
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> I always find this mind boggling that people can talk about what a psychotic freak Hank can be and his one slap of Jan gets waaaaayyy thrown out of proportion (mind you what he did was VERY wrong) and he gets turned into a wife beater...but Jan's little act here of marrying him when he is not in his right mind is just as sickening if not more so.
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Yep, she's actually commented on that a few times in the comic book, and I find interesting that nobody comments on how manipulative she's been with Hank, even though Jan admitted it at least twice.


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