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Lorendiac




Okay, I'm lagging a few years behind the curve here, but I just recently got around to reading the "Disassembled" issues that wrapped up the old Avengers title. I've got a quick question -- at one point, Bendis writes "it is the darkest day in Avengers history" or words to that effect. Can anyone think of any other good contenders for "darkest day in Avengers history"?

(I'm still partial to "Avengers #200" from around 1980 as their worst day ever.)


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emerick man




> Okay, I'm lagging a few years behind the curve here, but I just recently got around to reading the "Disassembled" issues that wrapped up the old Avengers title. I've got a quick question -- at one point, Bendis writes "it is the darkest day in Avengers history" or words to that effect. Can anyone think of any other good contenders for "darkest day in Avengers history"?
>
> (I'm still partial to "Avengers #200" from around 1980 as their worst day ever.)

When MOE reeeeally hurt Jarvis and Herc taking over the mansion.
When Magneto turned Wanda 'evil' in WCA.
When Hank lost it and was later kicked out.
When the team split deciding Supreme Intelligence's fate.
When Korvac killed everyone but Thor and Moony.
When the Kree fought the Skrull in that OTHER War.
When Tony killed Marilla and YJ.
When Widow killed Jarvis ( I still have to read that! )
When Cap was shot by that Assassin's bullet ( kidding! hated that story )
When Hawkeye quit, ya know - that one time...




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Ben H




Ever since that one issue, one writer after another keeps bringing up the notion that Hank Pym is a mentally unstable wife-beater, over and over and over again. If ever there was a comic book equivalent of jumping the shark, that moment was it. The character of Hank Pym has been suffering for it ever since, and it inevitably ends up dragging the rest of the team down along with him *gah*

Ben H


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Highlander




> > Okay, I'm lagging a few years behind the curve here, but I just recently got around to reading the "Disassembled" issues that wrapped up the old Avengers title. I've got a quick question -- at one point, Bendis writes "it is the darkest day in Avengers history" or words to that effect. Can anyone think of any other good contenders for "darkest day in Avengers history"?
> >
> > (I'm still partial to "Avengers #200" from around 1980 as their worst day ever.)
>
> When MOE reeeeally hurt Jarvis and Herc taking over the mansion.
> When Magneto turned Wanda 'evil' in WCA.
> When Hank lost it and was later kicked out.
> When the team split deciding Supreme Intelligence's fate.
> When Korvac killed everyone but Thor and Moony.
> When the Kree fought the Skrull in that OTHER War.
> When Tony killed Marilla and YJ.
> When Widow killed Jarvis ( I still have to read that! )
> When Cap was shot by that Assassin's bullet ( kidding! hated that story )
> When Hawkeye quit, ya know - that one time...
>
>


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emerick man




Ultimate Avengers I've heard. 've never read anything Ultimates yet but this 'alternate' arc sounds interesting.

> > > Okay, I'm lagging a few years behind the curve here, but I just recently got around to reading the "Disassembled" issues that wrapped up the old Avengers title. I've got a quick question -- at one point, Bendis writes "it is the darkest day in Avengers history" or words to that effect. Can anyone think of any other good contenders for "darkest day in Avengers history"?
> > >
> > > (I'm still partial to "Avengers #200" from around 1980 as their worst day ever.)
> >
> > When MOE reeeeally hurt Jarvis and Herc taking over the mansion.
> > When Magneto turned Wanda 'evil' in WCA.
> > When Hank lost it and was later kicked out.
> > When the team split deciding Supreme Intelligence's fate.
> > When Korvac killed everyone but Thor and Moony.
> > When the Kree fought the Skrull in that OTHER War.
> > When Tony killed Marilla and YJ.
> > When Widow killed Jarvis ( I still have to read that! )
> > When Cap was shot by that Assassin's bullet ( kidding! hated that story )
> > When Hawkeye quit, ya know - that one time...
> >
> >


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NT - Somebody




> Okay, I'm lagging a few years behind the curve here, but I just recently got around to reading the "Disassembled" issues that wrapped up the old Avengers title. I've got a quick question -- at one point, Bendis writes "it is the darkest day in Avengers history" or words to that effect. Can anyone think of any other good contenders for "darkest day in Avengers history"?
>
> (I'm still partial to "Avengers #200" from around 1980 as their worst day ever.)


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Blargh




She only hurt him, it isn't known if he is dead or not.


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Spider-Rahul




> She only hurt him, it isn't known if he is dead or not.


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Chea Lover




> > She only hurt him, it isn't known if he is dead or not.


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Hmm




> Ever since that one issue, one writer after another keeps bringing up the notion that Hank Pym is a mentally unstable wife-beater, over and over and over again. If ever there was a comic book equivalent of jumping the shark, that moment was it. The character of Hank Pym has been suffering for it ever since, and it inevitably ends up dragging the rest of the team down along with him *gah*
>
> Ben H

Suffering from it or benefitting from it? Writers bring characters in for a reason. There is something about them that they can work with. Something that distinguishes them from the herd of generic heroes out there. Pym is someone they bring in because they want to deal with mental problems and domestic violence.

Without that latch, he would probably linger in limbo like many other generic heroes whose names we can barely remember. Sure, he's a genuis, but there are plenty of other genuises in the MU. They could pick plenty of other guys if they simply want to fill the team brainiac slot.

The reason they pick a particular one is because they want to focus on a particular theme.

If they want a control freak so paranoid he builds weapons designed to beat his own friends, they pick Anthony Stark, and they deal with what it is like to work with someone who likely has samples of your DNA sitting in a microscope and an anti-you ray-gun sitting in a vault somewhere even as he smiles at you.

If they want to deal with feelings of inferiority and anxiety and domestic abuse, they pick Pym.

If they want to deal with scientific obsession to the point of neglecting your family, they pick Reed Richards.

Note that they rarely pick anyone else, because those three cover the three most interesting bases. Those three get play while many other brainiacs sit in limbo playing cards.


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Leonard




> She only hurt him, it isn't known if he is dead or not.

He is very, very dead.

1) It´s Ultimates.

2) He took a bullet right through the forehead, just over his nose.


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GammaSpidey




That "team" was terrible.


> Okay, I'm lagging a few years behind the curve here, but I just recently got around to reading the "Disassembled" issues that wrapped up the old Avengers title. I've got a quick question -- at one point, Bendis writes "it is the darkest day in Avengers history" or words to that effect. Can anyone think of any other good contenders for "darkest day in Avengers history"?
>
> (I'm still partial to "Avengers #200" from around 1980 as their worst day ever.)


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Blargh




Good point on the geniuses. Look at the "normal" geniuses of the MU: Blac Panther, Xavier, and Forge, while interesting characters in their own rights, are largely interesting just to their part of the universe, while these three can be applied almost anywhere.

> If they want to deal with feelings of inferiority and anxiety and domestic abuse, they pick Pym.
>
> If they want to deal with scientific obsession to the point of neglecting your family, they pick Reed Richards.
>
> Note that they rarely pick anyone else, because those three cover the three most interesting bases. Those three get play while many other brainiacs sit in limbo playing cards.


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