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CLANCY




I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?

Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?

CLANCY


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RUFIO




i barely understood most of that, could you try to be a little more clear?

> I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
>
> Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?
>
> CLANCY


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he is just blaming the devil for all the evil and wrongness on the MU world.
Mephisto had ties with Wanda. So he could had been used as an explanation for Dissasembled (there was even some speculation at the time that it was him the one doing all that bad things). And since all the things happening on the MU earth are derived from that terrible event (butterfly efect?) well he is traying to blame Mephisto for the current situation on the MU.
However I dont see how could he fit into the Annhilation story, but what the heck, lets just blame the devil anyway. I'm also thinking that Mephisto so so so powerfull that he is messing with the powers-that-be at the Marvel office. ;-p
Anyway, its was said several times than there was no masterbrain after all the stuff happening with the CW.
and.. this post is not really a SPOILER as much as SPECULATION.

> i barely understood most of that, could you try to be a little more clear?
>
> > I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> > The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> > Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
> >
> > Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?
> >
> > CLANCY


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D-Man




> the Vision is still dismanlted

Last I looked he was back but hangin' with the Young Avengers


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> > the Vision is still dismanlted
>
> Last I looked he was back but hangin' with the Young Avengers


kind of. He is using a Kang armor as a new body (IronLad), he has all of the programming from the original Vision but he has none of the experience or memory (emotional memory at least) from the previous one. And if I remember rigth, it was said that while the original Vision 'brainwaves' were based on Simon Williams, this new Vision's are based on the young Kang. So, in a lot of ways its like him being a whole new person.


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Poltargyst




> I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
>
> Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?
>
> CLANCY

Not unless Mephisto is Joe Q.


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Sandman




> > > the Vision is still dismanlted
> >
> > Last I looked he was back but hangin' with the Young Avengers
>
>
> kind of. He is using a Kang armor as a new body (IronLad), he has all of the programming from the original Vision but he has none of the experience or memory (emotional memory at least) from the previous one. And if I remember rigth, it was said that while the original Vision 'brainwaves' were based on Simon Williams, this new Vision's are based on the young Kang. So, in a lot of ways its like him being a whole new person.

The Vision lost that when he became his pale white version.


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> > > > the Vision is still dismanlted
> > >
> > > Last I looked he was back but hangin' with the Young Avengers
> >
> >
> > kind of. He is using a Kang armor as a new body (IronLad), he has all of the programming from the original Vision but he has none of the experience or memory (emotional memory at least) from the previous one. And if I remember rigth, it was said that while the original Vision 'brainwaves' were based on Simon Williams, this new Vision's are based on the young Kang. So, in a lot of ways its like him being a whole new person.
>
> The Vision lost that when he became his pale white version.

rigth.
Let me rephrase:
.."while the original Vision 'brainwaves' (from when he had brainwaves, just before being turn into pieces and deleted his original programing by the US goverment because of his ability to interact with all of the whole computers and being consider a threat to the national security, and later turning into a pale white version without any personality *rhe* ) were based on Simon Williams




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> > I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> > The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> > Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
> >
> > Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?
> >
> > CLANCY
>
> Not unless Mephisto is Joe Q.


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BlakGard




> I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
>
> Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?

There's so many directions they could go for the Big Bad behind all of this mess. Mephisto... Chthon... All of the Elder Gods... Kang... Sublime/That Which Endures (must be loving the fact that there are "no more mutants")...

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Moose100




Wasnt there a wizard article saying he would be the first major villan introduced in 2007(08?). Perhaps he plays a role in the One More Day storyarc...


> he is just blaming the devil for all the evil and wrongness on the MU world.

> Mephisto had ties with Wanda. So he could had been used as an explanation for Dissasembled (there was even some speculation at the time that it was him the one doing all that bad things). And since all the things happening on the MU earth are derived from that terrible event (butterfly efect?) well he is traying to blame Mephisto for the current situation on the MU.

Cage is the only one who thinks all the goings on of the last couple of years are related somehow. Secondly, hust about this whole team has something to do with magic one way or the other, giving this team lineup a magical theme. I feel that this is going to be exploited someway or another somewhere down the line.
> However I dont see how could he fit into the Annhilation story, but what the heck, lets just blame the devil anyway. I'm also thinking that Mephisto so so so powerfull that he is messing with the powers-that-be at the Marvel office. ;-p
> Anyway, its was said several times than there was no masterbrain after all the stuff happening with the CW.
> and.. this post is not really a SPOILER as much as SPECULATION.
>
> > i barely understood most of that, could you try to be a little more clear?
> >
> > > I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> > > The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> > > Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
> > >
> > > Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?
> > >
> > > CLANCY


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bradfontenot




I am sorry to disagree with you but ever sence Kevins smith's daredevil days there is only one bad guy big enough, smart enough, powerful enough, and EVIL enough and that is Mysterio. The one true bad guy in marvel.


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The Nephilim




> I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
>
> Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?
>
> CLANCY

Mephy is still #1 on my mastermind list. Can't think of a better candidate to blame for all the chaos lately. And with Cage saying, "I feel manipulated. I feel someone pullings my strings.", the prospect of a mastermind at work looks promising.


#2 Nebulon
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/nebulondefenders.htm

#3Shaper of Worlds?


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shhhhh




> > I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> > The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> > Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
> >
> > Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?
> >
> > CLANCY
>
> Mephy is still #1 on my mastermind list. Can't think of a better candidate to blame for all the chaos lately. And with Cage saying, "I feel manipulated. I feel someone pullings my strings.", the prospect of a mastermind at work looks promising.
>
>
> #2 Nebulon
> http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/nebulondefenders.htm
>
> #3Shaper of Worlds?


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SpeedsterEVP




> > > > the Vision is still dismanlted
> > >
> > > Last I looked he was back but hangin' with the Young Avengers
> >
> >
> > kind of. He is using a Kang armor as a new body (IronLad), he has all of the programming from the original Vision but he has none of the experience or memory (emotional memory at least) from the previous one. And if I remember rigth, it was said that while the original Vision 'brainwaves' were based on Simon Williams, this new Vision's are based on the young Kang. So, in a lot of ways its like him being a whole new person.
>
> The Vision lost that when he became his pale white version.
Well technically yes, when he became the white Vision, his engrams were based on the deceased Alex Lipton. However, when he switched bodies with the alternate reality Vision from the Gatherers, I believe his old emotions and such came back, as that reality's Vision had the engrams of Wonder Man, IIRC. In other words, before he died by She-Hulk's hands, he had Wonder Man's engrams again.


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Hank




> I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?\

Personally I think it's setting up a throw down between Mephesto and Chthon. They both have in intrest in Wanda. Both rulers of an underworld. Who knows would be an intresting story though. Prince of Lies Vs the kING of Chaos.


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Century: Your Alien Hero




> > > > > the Vision is still dismanlted
> > > >
> > > > Last I looked he was back but hangin' with the Young Avengers
> > >
> > >
> > > kind of. He is using a Kang armor as a new body (IronLad), he has all of the programming from the original Vision but he has none of the experience or memory (emotional memory at least) from the previous one. And if I remember rigth, it was said that while the original Vision 'brainwaves' were based on Simon Williams, this new Vision's are based on the young Kang. So, in a lot of ways its like him being a whole new person.
> >
> > The Vision lost that when he became his pale white version.
>
> rigth.
> Let me rephrase:
> .."while the original Vision 'brainwaves' (from when he had brainwaves, just before being turn into pieces and deleted his original programing by the US goverment because of his ability to interact with all of the whole computers and being consider a threat to the national security, and later turning into a pale white version without any personality *rhe* ) were based on Simon Williams

#1 - In Vision's 2nd appearance ever, Goliath leaps to the conclusion that Ultron-5 used Wonder Man's brain-patterns in his creation, since his recording of them has gone missing. Everyone accepts it as fact. Ultron himself never actually confirms it until 1999(!)

#2 - Vision himself confirms that having the brain-patterns of the Worst Character Ever doesn't make him the same person, and is his own individual. Wonder Man eventually returns, and exhibits a most un-Vision personality. Naturally, this leads some of the Avengers, and Wonder Man's mother, to claim the two are similar. The two came to consider themselves brothers.

#3 - An international conspiracy dismantles Vision and erases his mind. Hank Pym rebuilds him without skin-pigmentation/ears/man-parts, no personality, and memories entirely pieced-together from Avengers case-files. Black Panther apparently can't tell the difference between this and the way Vision was.

Pym theorises that taking a new copy of Wonder Man's brain-patterns could restore Vision, but he refuses to let them be copied, suddenly being too filled with unholy lust for his sister-in-law to lift a finger to help his brother. He and Wasp now both regard Vision as never having been anything but a copy of Wonder Man. An entire generation of readers brought in by Byrne follow in their cretin footsteps and believe it as well, and the idiocy eventually affects the rest of the team. By the time the Witch's collapse into a catatonic state guilt-trips Wonder Man into changing his mind, the AlbinoVision has been up and walking around for long enough to decide he wants to stay as he is, and states that it wouldn't have restored who he used to be anyway.

#4 - Vision starts experiencing freeze-ups, and undergoing examination by a robotics expert, learns that human brain-patterns were not to give him that person's personality, but were, for reasons known only to Ultron, an essential part of his operating system, and without any, he's doomed. Given the brain-patterns of dead cop Alex Lipton, he's back in action.

#5 - Vision starts having memory-flashbacks of his twins, something he couldn't remember from case-files, and starts to comprehend all he has lost.

#6 - The Gatherers capture Vision, and so they can have their own extra-dimensional counterpart infiltrate the Avengers, they perform a body-swap operation. The Avengers rescue Vision, who subsequently starts slowly experiencing emotion again. Pym finally figures out that Ultron built him with "backups to his backups", with the implication that his severe physical traumas delayed his memory and personality returning.

#7 - The Gatherer 'AntiVision', his albino body trashed by Proctor, attempts to erase Vision's mind and reclaim his body. His plan backfires, resulting in Vision's original personality and the Alex Lipton one merging into a 'new' Vision. After a journey of 'self-discovery', he returns, back to normal.

#8 - Vision is 'reborn' in the Heroes Reborn world as a personality-deprived android, and spends most of the time deactivated by Kang.

#9 - Vision returns, back to normal, despite feigning a lack of personality to sabotage any chance of saving his marriage, and drive his wife into the arms of the Worst Character Ever through the power of Really Bad Comics.

#10 - Ultron flat-out states that while the two may have had a similar starting point, Vision and Wonder Man are different people, with different brain-patterns.

#11 - Vision is one of the first victims of the Scarlet Witch's breakdown, and his body is torn in half by She-Hulk. The Avengers pack his remains in a crate, leave it in a Stark warehouse, and forget about him.

#13 - KangBoy flees from the future, seeking the Avengers help to fight his adult self. With the team disbanded, he seeks out the Vision's remains, downloading his operating-systems into his armor, which subsequently gains sentience as Vision-Boy, who has repeatedly stated that he is not the original Vision, but does seem to have all his memories, along with KangBoy's brain-patterns.


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The Nephilim




> > > I'm guessing that he is behind what is going on with the problems with the Marvel U.
> > > The Scarlet Witch goes crazy, Captain America dies, there is a woman who seems to have Iron Man's ear, Silver Surfer is off in space as the herald of Galactus again, the Vision is still dismanlted and Doctor Strange feeling guilty offers the Avengers a place to stay and joins the team. Don't forget the children of the Scarlet Witch are supposedly have power to challenge Infinity, so therefore they have enough power to challenget Mephisto himself.
> > > Its possible that one of the purest souls is now in possesion of Mephisto anothers is off planet. Wanda is to scattered to even focous and the person who might be able to snap her out of it is in two boxes. Her brother is also crazy. Perhaps Mephisto has appeared in form of a woman so he would listen better. I mean all she did was show up with a toy, did anyone ever check to see if that kid really existed?
> > >
> > > Just food for thought. Anyone agree or disagree?
> > >
> > > CLANCY
> >
> > Mephy is still #1 on my mastermind list. Can't think of a better candidate to blame for all the chaos lately. And with Cage saying, "I feel manipulated. I feel someone pullings my strings.", the prospect of a mastermind at work looks promising.
> >
> >
> > #2 Nebulon
> > http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/nebulondefenders.htm
> >
> > #3Shaper of Worlds?


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