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The Beyonder's "true origin" has now changed so that he's really a mutant Inhuman?!

Uh-hunh...

C.


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deron




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> The Beyonder's "true origin" has now changed so that he's really a mutant Inhuman?!
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> Uh-hunh...
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> C.

This miniseries has been butt from the beginning. I'm glad I decided to drop it after issue 2.

Best,

Deron


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Baron Blood




> http://www.popcultureshock.com/new-avengers-illuminati-3/41826/
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> The Beyonder's "true origin" has now changed so that he's really a mutant Inhuman?!
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I don't like this idea. It would be better if they just set out to find the Beyonder and try to kill him.


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Chris1962




> http://www.popcultureshock.com/new-avengers-illuminati-3/41826/
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> The Beyonder's "true origin" has now changed so that he's really a mutant Inhuman?!
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> Uh-hunh...
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> C.

The Beyonder, who could take out Galactus?! Read the story at my store as a "first look." I also think issue three probably took place before issue two? The Beyonder happened well before the Infinity Gauntlet, or was this post Secret Wars II? Since Tony was not present I thought Jim Rhodes was Iron Man at this time. Thoughts?


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Concordant




> > http://www.popcultureshock.com/new-avengers-illuminati-3/41826/
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> > The Beyonder's "true origin" has now changed so that he's really a mutant Inhuman?!
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> The Beyonder, who could take out Galactus?! Read the story at my store as a "first look." I also think issue three probably took place before issue two? The Beyonder happened well before the Infinity Gauntlet, or was this post Secret Wars II? Since Tony was not present I thought Jim Rhodes was Iron Man at this time. Thoughts?

You are correct, this story takes place before Infinity Gauntlet and IIRC, skips back to modern continuity as well.

C.


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Doctor Pym




> http://www.popcultureshock.com/new-avengers-illuminati-3/41826/
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> The Beyonder's "true origin" has now changed so that he's really a mutant Inhuman?!
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> Uh-hunh...

Not much worse than saying he was a living cosmic cube (and much *better* than saying he's a curly-headed dude in Saturday Night Fever togs), but I liked it better when he was just this big honkin' unknowable god-like thing from beyond wherever. It kind of takes the edge off of it to think that it was a rogue Inhuman who kicked powered-up Dr. Doom's ass.

And why would a rogue Inhuman find the heroes and villains so mysterious as to want to play the game in the first place.

RETCONS BLOW. They ruined Phoenix, and they ruined Hobgoblin. Now they're re-ruining the Beyonder.

And by the way, someone forgot that Prof. Xavier wasn't in his wheelchair during "Secret Wars."


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pariscub




> And by the way, someone forgot that Prof. Xavier wasn't in his wheelchair during "Secret Wars."

Actually, here's a panel from Secret Wars #1

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/41000/40978/96644-secret-wars_400.jpg

looks like he's in his wheelchair.


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pariscub




> > And by the way, someone forgot that Prof. Xavier wasn't in his wheelchair during "Secret Wars."
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> Actually, here's a panel from Secret Wars #1
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> looks like he's in his wheelchair.

arggg pudgy fingers....

But he was out of the wheelchair very quickly because they had made the same mistake at the time, if memory serves \:\)


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Doctor Pym




> > > And by the way, someone forgot that Prof. Xavier wasn't in his wheelchair during "Secret Wars."
> But he was out of the wheelchair very quickly because they had made the same mistake at the time, if memory serves \:\)

You're right about the crowd scene in the floating dome where the heroes first assembled, but the flashback in Illuminati book shows Xavier on the Battleworld in his wheelchair, and I'm pretty sure he was standing during those battles.

Maybe it's the same interdimensional anomaly that had the Hulk going into the Beyonder's "gate" wearing purple shorts, but coming out in purple pants...


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Century: Your Alien Hero




> > http://www.popcultureshock.com/new-avengers-illuminati-3/41826/
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> > The Beyonder's "true origin" has now changed so that he's really a mutant Inhuman?!
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> Not much worse than saying he was a living cosmic cube (and much *better* than saying he's a curly-headed dude in Saturday Night Fever togs), but I liked it better when he was just this big honkin' unknowable god-like thing from beyond wherever. It kind of takes the edge off of it to think that it was a rogue Inhuman who kicked powered-up Dr. Doom's ass.
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> And why would a rogue Inhuman find the heroes and villains so mysterious as to want to play the game in the first place.

.......how does that even make sense? That's as crazy as the idea that Galactus and all the other cosmic entities took a dive, and aren't really less powerful than the Beyonder.

> RETCONS BLOW. They ruined Phoenix,

Eh, Your Alien Hero never cared for anything Phoenix in the first place. That may be one of the few "big" retcons I have any tolerance for. Maybe because it that was the way it was when I first ever heard of her, but reading the Phoenix stories just left me preferring non-cosmic Jean Grey.

> and they ruined Hobgoblin.

How I miss the days when Hobgoblin was one of the core members of the Spider-Man rogues gallery, part of the Sinister Six, and guaranteed to appear on a yearly basis. Killing him to bring back the mystery-over-personality original, and simultaneously managing to make the original suck, destroyed the Hobgoblin, to the extent of being persona-non-grata.

But The Internets love it, without even realising/comprehending/acknowledging it's why they never see Hobgoblin stories anymore.

> Now they're re-ruining the Beyonder.

Well, in fairness, Englehart ruined the Beyonder in the 1980s with that 'cosmic cube' stuff. Like every other usage of the Beyonder ever since, this counts as "really not helping", and the continuous insistance on missing the original concept/point of the character makes one wonder why anyone keeps using the name?

In comparison, while making a line-wide crossover out of the concept was stretching it far further than it warranted, I can't really oppose "the Beyonder takes on human form to experience life" as a plot, because it at least fits the original concept.

And because we got Spider-Man teaching him how to use the toilet.

> And by the way, someone forgot that Prof. Xavier wasn't in his wheelchair during "Secret Wars."

He was in #1, as I recall.

But let us at least celebrate what the Beyonder once was, and remember his greatest moments here. Outside of the above moment with Spider-Man, Your Alien Hero's going with him using Klaw to manipulate Doom, and creating an entire planet out of pieces of other worlds. And calling it Battleworld. That's awesomeness.


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