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bigtimennotime




Check it out:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=116568

He lays some groundwork and speculation for the next big event coming up. I'm not the biggest supporter of Bendis but at least it will have the heroes fighting against villians!!! I'm actually getting excited for this. Plus it would give us a chance to have a more "classic" team of Avengers taking on the invasion now that Thor is back...we're still missing Cap though....

-bigtime out.


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Ben H




I admit, I have not been a fan of most of the things that have taken place in New Avengers. That said, I like the idea that the Skrulls are being portrayed as a credible, serious menace. For a group of highly advanced aliens with shape-shifting abilities who control a vast interstellar empire, the Skrulls are all too often portrayed as incompetent losers. It would be nice to see them return to the status of a genuine threat against Earth.

Aside from Mark Waid's run on Captain America, and some stuff Chris Claremont did in the X-Men circa 1990 with the "Warskrulls," I don't think the Skrull infiltration paranoia angle has been utilized effectively in, well, decades, probably not since the original Kree/Skrull War, which was so long before my time I never had an opportunity to read it until it finally got the TPB treatment several years ago.

Ben H


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BloodBike




At first I thought the entire Skrull stuff was stupid and bad writing, but after reading hte interview., well lets just say this may be th ebets thing to happen to the marvel universe since Cap was found frozen in the iceberg years ago.

Luke a Skrull?? Man I hope not, because he hasn't been this good, character wise, in a long time. I wouldn't mind seeing Doc Starnge being revealed as a Skrull however.

Regards,

BloodBike


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The Last Word




is a skrull?

My predictions? The Wasp, if for no other reason to account for her tormenting Hank Pym all these years, and her Austen-written fling with Hawkeye, or Hawkeye, who might have died during the Kree-Skrull War, only to be replaced.

The crazy thing is that there's so many telepaths/aliens/etc running around the MU who could detect this kind of thing. Dr. Strange? Spiderman? Rom? How could the Skrulls have remained hiddent, especially en masse?

This was always my main problem with the Rom series. . . .


> I admit, I have not been a fan of most of the things that have taken place in New Avengers. That said, I like the idea that the Skrulls are being portrayed as a credible, serious menace. For a group of highly advanced aliens with shape-shifting abilities who control a vast interstellar empire, the Skrulls are all too often portrayed as incompetent losers. It would be nice to see them return to the status of a genuine threat against Earth.
>
> Aside from Mark Waid's run on Captain America, and some stuff Chris Claremont did in the X-Men circa 1990 with the "Warskrulls," I don't think the Skrull infiltration paranoia angle has been utilized effectively in, well, decades, probably not since the original Kree/Skrull War, which was so long before my time I never had an opportunity to read it until it finally got the TPB treatment several years ago.
>
> Ben H


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CLANCY




> is a skrull?
>
> My predictions? The Wasp, if for no other reason to account for her tormenting Hank Pym all these years, and her Austen-written fling with Hawkeye, or Hawkeye, who might have died during the Kree-Skrull War, only to be replaced.
>
I'll say Jan had the fling with Hawkeye because Wanda was starting to lose it slowly. Otherwise it was just aweful, horrible writing. It should be interesting. Wasn't Wolverine was once a Skrull in an X-Men book? Hopefully its not long time characters. It could be a way for them to have Spider Man and Mary Jane break up, but then that was done in F.F. 13-15 years ago when they said Alicea was replaced by a Skrull. Maybe we'll have a few Skrulls that will become heroes or sacrifice themselves.

I always liked General Zadaro(from Avengers #260 vol.1) Maybe AntMan(Scott Lang) was a Skrull. I think the Illuminatti will live again and if it does, will they recruit any new "members"? I'm thinking someone from the Eternals and now that Asgard is Earth bound, but maybe not Thor, maybe an emissary from Asgard...Balder.

CLANCY


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Hank Pym




I agree first one I thought of was the Wasp.






> is a skrull?
>
> My predictions? The Wasp, if for no other reason to account for her tormenting Hank Pym all these years, and her Austen-written fling with Hawkeye, or Hawkeye, who might have died during the Kree-Skrull War, only to be replaced.
>
> The crazy thing is that there's so many telepaths/aliens/etc running around the MU who could detect this kind of thing. Dr. Strange? Spiderman? Rom? How could the Skrulls have remained hiddent, especially en masse?
>
> This was always my main problem with the Rom series. . . .
>
>
> > I admit, I have not been a fan of most of the things that have taken place in New Avengers. That said, I like the idea that the Skrulls are being portrayed as a credible, serious menace. For a group of highly advanced aliens with shape-shifting abilities who control a vast interstellar empire, the Skrulls are all too often portrayed as incompetent losers. It would be nice to see them return to the status of a genuine threat against Earth.
> >
> > Aside from Mark Waid's run on Captain America, and some stuff Chris Claremont did in the X-Men circa 1990 with the "Warskrulls," I don't think the Skrull infiltration paranoia angle has been utilized effectively in, well, decades, probably not since the original Kree/Skrull War, which was so long before my time I never had an opportunity to read it until it finally got the TPB treatment several years ago.
> >
> > Ben H


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emerick man




ROM rules! Always liked the series but eventually had to sell most of the whole collection (stupidstupidstupid) for reasons that were important at the time.

Anyways, hard to verify, but like the distinction that Dire Wraiths were the spellcasting branch of that race. Thought they'd established that that ability was genetically exclusive to that deviant gene. Nitpick considering Wraiths have troubled the team just as well since Immortus intro. HOwever, iirc a skrull can fool a skrull too. And maybe the have (limited) immunity to telepaths, kinda like Ferenghi. Still, any established canon should be strongly considered to enhance a storyline.

Also, it is frustrating at times to be constantly fooled by their charades (usually at a deus ex machina moment) but in hindsight it usually works for the best. Not all abilities will be perfected in our lifetime and that includes a skrull detection method. Just ask Skrullverine, no wait - he's dead, then ask Lyja. That was made ROM great 'cuz he had that uniquely cool Analyzer. A special element to any story it appears.

Elektra caught me off guard -which was good- but she was behind the scenes more. If it is a New Avengers, that we follow faithfully, is one it will be moreso shocking and a bit offsetting - just as Skrullv... Lyja. There probably will be some reference coming up to the Galadorans as they were retconned as the most serious threat to the Skrulls (which I'm not a fan of that changed tidbit). Afterall Nova told Tony who told SHIELD alien division. Who know this might be a way to have Abigail Brand appear which could be fun.


> is a skrull?
>
> My predictions? The Wasp, if for no other reason to account for her tormenting Hank Pym all these years, and her Austen-written fling with Hawkeye, or Hawkeye, who might have died during the Kree-Skrull War, only to be replaced.
>
> The crazy thing is that there's so many telepaths/aliens/etc running around the MU who could detect this kind of thing. Dr. Strange? Spiderman? Rom? How could the Skrulls have remained hiddent, especially en masse?
>
> This was always my main problem with the Rom series. . . .
>
>
> > I admit, I have not been a fan of most of the things that have taken place in New Avengers. That said, I like the idea that the Skrulls are being portrayed as a credible, serious menace. For a group of highly advanced aliens with shape-shifting abilities who control a vast interstellar empire, the Skrulls are all too often portrayed as incompetent losers. It would be nice to see them return to the status of a genuine threat against Earth.
> >
> > Aside from Mark Waid's run on Captain America, and some stuff Chris Claremont did in the X-Men circa 1990 with the "Warskrulls," I don't think the Skrull infiltration paranoia angle has been utilized effectively in, well, decades, probably not since the original Kree/Skrull War, which was so long before my time I never had an opportunity to read it until it finally got the TPB treatment several years ago.
> >
> > Ben H


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Hank Fan




> is a skrull?

Maybe they'll go as far back as the Hank who hit Jan was a skrull. The real Hank as been hanging out in the Ant Hill or cruising the Microverse these past ~10 marvel years.


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Dane Whitman




At first I thought the whole idea of Skrulls in high places was a cop-out to explain away some of the screw-ups of recent times. Now I'm excited.

Bendis says (or seems to) that neither Cap nor Stark are skrulls. I would suggest Cap as a skrull would be the way Marvel is most likely to bring him back and explain his nutty behaviour of late. Of course, its exactly what was done with Wolverine a while ago. Anyway, Bendis says not.

The clues have it that Hawkeye is a skrull. It would make sense.

Some villains are skrulls? How about ALL those who escaped in New Avengers #1?

Sentry thought he killed his wife? Maybe he did.

This should get us talking. I really, really hope it all make sense and we can really look back at the books and spot the clues as things develop.


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Psychic Panda




I got really excited about Civil War because I thought we'd get a good, deep discussion about the role of superheroes in the world, law vs vigilantisim, all that stuff. Civil War was just a pointless slug fest, but i felt after wards, maybe now we'll get that discussion with the initiative.

If the whole civil war thing was just tony thinking "We have to unite against the skrulls!", then we may never get that discussion. I'd hate to see that great concept not used to its full potential.


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Binaryan




> is a skrull?
>
> My predictions?

I think Hawkeye was replaced at some point prior to Disassembled and the newly returned Hawkeye is the real deal.

Spider-Woman is a prime suspect given how long she was off the radar prior to her joining the NEW AVENGERS. Wasp could certainly work.

I'm guessing that Ms. Marvel's press agent, Sarah Day is a Skrull.

On the X-Men front, I'd love to see Xorneto explained away as a Skrull. Or cat-Beast! Or Azazel! And the Mystique who killed Moira MacTaggert.

This could also be an easy way to resurrect any characters who've ever died. Think about it... as long as there was no body to give it away, it could have been their Skrull doppelganger who died. They could easily bring back Banshee or any number of dead characters this way.

But here's a really out there suggestion.... Mary Jane! Revealing that Mary Jane is a Skrull and has been since before their marriage could be the way that Joe Quesada puts his final "genie" back into the bottle!

My question is...how are they mimicking skills and powers?

Ryan

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Nick




> I got really excited about Civil War because I thought we'd get a good, deep discussion about the role of superheroes in the world, law vs vigilantisim, all that stuff. Civil War was just a pointless slug fest, but i felt after wards, maybe now we'll get that discussion with the initiative.
>
> If the whole civil war thing was just tony thinking "We have to unite against the skrulls!", then we may never get that discussion. I'd hate to see that great concept not used to its full potential.

I know I also view civil war as more of a discussion about how many civil rights are you willing to give up for the illusion of safety? and in all honesty the only people I actually respected after civil war were:

The X-MEN- They viewed this as a war of man and something they did not need to bother with and I agree

Wolverine and Namor- They went after the REAL badguys of civil war

Thing- No one got hurt or killed by things actions

Finally the Runaways- They stayed out of a fight since they just wanted to live their lives and never be bothered by anyone.




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MrJarvis




#1 - Maria Hill: She has been sketch from the beginning, but she was also significant in recommending Tony take the head position of Shield. (see below)

#2 - Jessica Jones: "Why dont you nurse your baby?" asks Wong...Because she doesnt have the correct equipment, thats why. Luke may be skrull as well, but if its only one of them, she's my pick.

#3 - If Hawkeye was a skrull, it was the one from earlier. BEFORE disassembled. Current Clint is legit.

#4 - Carol Danvers: Why did she insist on her own secret team of shield agents? She's eliminating threats. Also, why does she care about "image"? She is trying to raise her influence to better be a skrull. Expect to see some kind of a tie in with her Kree history.

#5 - Charles Xavier: He has been a skrull for quite some time....

#6 - I predict that sometime AFTER Civil War, Tony either has been replaced by a skrull, will be replaced, or at least an attempt to replace him will be made.

#7 - Dr. Doom will tie in with the skrull invasion. Either HE is a skrull, or Reed Richards is replaced by a skrull and Doom is tied into that story.

#8 - One of the new warriors from Stamford was a Skrull. May very well have been Night Thrasher.

#9 - Namor...Skrull - I wont join the war...Please lead the war for me...Invade. (SKRULL!)

#10 - Pietro. S-K-R-U-L-L.







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Nick




> is a skrull?
>
> My predictions? The Wasp, if for no other reason to account for her tormenting Hank Pym all these years, and her Austen-written fling with Hawkeye, or Hawkeye, who might have died during the Kree-Skrull War, only to be replaced.
>
> The crazy thing is that there's so many telepaths/aliens/etc running around the MU who could detect this kind of thing. Dr. Strange? Spiderman? Rom? How could the Skrulls have remained hiddent, especially en masse?
>
> This was always my main problem with the Rom series. . . .
>
>
> > I admit, I have not been a fan of most of the things that have taken place in New Avengers. That said, I like the idea that the Skrulls are being portrayed as a credible, serious menace. For a group of highly advanced aliens with shape-shifting abilities who control a vast interstellar empire, the Skrulls are all too often portrayed as incompetent losers. It would be nice to see them return to the status of a genuine threat against Earth.
> >
> > Aside from Mark Waid's run on Captain America, and some stuff Chris Claremont did in the X-Men circa 1990 with the "Warskrulls," I don't think the Skrull infiltration paranoia angle has been utilized effectively in, well, decades, probably not since the original Kree/Skrull War, which was so long before my time I never had an opportunity to read it until it finally got the TPB treatment several years ago.
> >
> > Ben H

I dont think any of the New Avengers are skrulls thanks to Doc Stranges spell making sure everyone is of pure intent. So that pulls the NA out of it.

However I do think its very posible Reed and Tony are skrulls. Look at it this way they are the only two illuminati members that could be succesfully mimiced. Xavier's power is to powerful to mimic and he lives with psychics so hes out. Blackbolt's power is also to strong and medusa would pick up on it in an instant. Namor would also be hard to mimic its not like its easy to impersonate the king of atlantis. Dr. Strange was proven not to be a scrull in NA 30 and 31. However Reed would be easy for a skrull to impersonate, I mean its not like the skrulls havent encountered the 4 1000 times. Tony is simply a human, a human who as recored nearly every second of recorded on video from his suit. He would be easy to replace.

Also look at some evidence, Tony has been acting more and more out character with these evil acts. He put very little security during Cap's walk to trial I mean wouldn't someone like Captain America have the absolute top security for his safety, I mean a sniper from across a building should have been caught by shield.Imprisoning heroes in the negative zone, and making sure captain marvel stays there as a clone. Launching Hulk into space. think of the condition of the world after WWH.

The heroes are still divided, the mutant community has been devistated, Hulk has trashed the planet, and the runaways have done god knows what in the past to change the future and the one hero who could unite all the heroes under a common threat is dead.

If some members of congress, Tony Stark, Reed Richards, and Quicksilver were all skrulls then everything would be explained


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CLANCY




I thought she was suspicious in the begining and thought maybe it was Mephisto, but, BMB mentioned someone that was really pushing the whole registration. I mean it would be easy to say that one of her kids was killed, vaporized, with their technology it would be easy to fake a birth certificate. Plus they have the ability to hypnotize. So it was probably when everyone was fighting that they were able to sneak on the planet, they probably have been her for some time. Maybe thats wht the Watcher was her for not the Civil War but becasue he was watching them make fools of themselves as the planet was quitely being invaded.


CLANCY


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Flint




who I HOPE are Skrulls....

Quicksilver is #1 on my list. Since Busiek quit Avengers Pietro has gone downhill

Hank Pym replaced prior to Chuck Austen and Bendis!

Nice Mystique. She's an evil ho. stop trying to make her good.

Spider-Woman seems like a dead giveaway as a skrull


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BlakGard




> #2 - Jessica Jones: "Why dont you nurse your baby?" asks Wong...
> Because she doesnt have the correct equipment, thats why. Luke may be
> skrull as well, but if its only one of them, she's my pick.

The thing is, at the beginning of this arc (well kinda), Luke was almost busted while shopping for milk for the baby. It's really bizarre that Wong would even ask this, considering the stink that was made about Luke going on his shopping excursion.

But then, we really don't know what happened to Jess or the baby when she took off after the SHRA was passed.

> #4 - Carol Danvers: Why did she insist on her own secret team of
> shield agents? She's eliminating threats. Also, why does she care
> about "image"? She is trying to raise her influence to better be a
> skrull. Expect to see some kind of a tie in with her Kree history.

Nah. She's legit. And she's still got that Brood implant.

> #5 - Charles Xavier: He has been a skrull for quite some time....

Nah. He's legit too.

> #6 - I predict that sometime AFTER Civil War, Tony either has been
> replaced by a skrull, will be replaced, or at least an attempt to
> replace him will be made.

Would be a dream come true... except the "after" part.

Skrull could also be the explanation for the Ultrona transformation in Mighty Avengers.
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Erik!




> I dont think any of the New Avengers are skrulls thanks to Doc Stranges spell making sure everyone is of pure intent. So that pulls the NA out of it.

Does it?

Here's what I'm reading (and what Bendis repeated in his two interviews on the subject.)

Look at it from the POV of the skrulls. Religiously speaking, Earth is theirs. They're trying to save their race by taking it. That's a pure intent, strictly speaking.




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Los




> #1 - Maria Hill: She has been sketch from the beginning, but she was also significant in recommending Tony take the head position of Shield. (see below)
>

Agreed. She's a good choice. Not a lot of continuity baggage, but still highly influential to SHIELD. It's because of Tony asking her to get him coffee that makes me feel like she's repressing a secret, and that Tony is in the clear.

> #2 - Jessica Jones: "Why dont you nurse your baby?" asks Wong...Because she doesnt have the correct equipment, thats why. Luke may be skrull as well, but if its only one of them, she's my pick.
>

I'll go with Hypnotized, and the baby is a skrull mage. I like Jessica Jones alot. That said, she could be on the run still, with the real baby, while these two are the fakes.

> #3 - If Hawkeye was a skrull, it was the one from earlier. BEFORE disassembled. Current Clint is legit.
>

I like the idea that this Hawkeye is NOT legit, and that the real Hawkeye is either still dead, or watching from afar. That said, his Captin America sheild tossing might be a giveaway that he's the real deal. I just want to see Wanda give birth to Mutant-Human/Skrull-Deviant twins.

> #4 - Carol Danvers: Why did she insist on her own secret team of shield agents? She's eliminating threats. Also, why does she care about "image"? She is trying to raise her influence to better be a skrull. Expect to see some kind of a tie in with her Kree history.
>

Good call. However, she's less a force for Chaos in the Marvel U. I say either her or Simon Williams.

> #5 - Charles Xavier: He has been a skrull for quite some time....
>

Either Xavier or Black Bolt or BOTH. The events in Illuminati #4 where Xavier is talking about being able to take out the Beyonder? And making the Beyonder an Inhuman? And Black Bolt cannot remember? Either Black Bolt is the skrull, or he was resisting Xavier's influences. Xavier's face at the end of Illuminati #3 has to tie into this.

> #6 - I predict that sometime AFTER Civil War, Tony either has been replaced by a skrull, will be replaced, or at least an attempt to replace him will be made.
>

Agreed on the attempt part. But I think he has been too important in CW and WWH to write off as a Skrull. Think of this, though.

> #7 - Dr. Doom will tie in with the skrull invasion. Either HE is a skrull, or Reed Richards is replaced by a skrull and Doom is tied into that story.
>

I truly believe that Reed was replaced in Illuminati #2. The way Reed played cozy with Spider-man in the CW series is Skrully. Mad Skrully. Plus, he went from being a pretty straight forward pimp in the 60's/70's, to a big geek.

> #8 - One of the new warriors from Stamford was a Skrull. May very well have been Night Thrasher.
>

Definately somebody in the New Warriors. However, I would resent it if the Stamford explosion was a Skrull plot. I would prefer that it was TRULY an accident. A conspiracy cheapens the idea of the need for the SHRA. That is a true idea that needed to be explored. I'd rather that a Skrull took advantage of that accident and used it to grease the wheels a little more.

> #9 - Namor...Skrull - I wont join the war...Please lead the war for me...Invade. (SKRULL!)
>

He has his own series right now. Maybe.

> #10 - Pietro. S-K-R-U-L-L.
>

That would explain his facination with Wanda! \:\-\) The House of M, I CAN believe was a Skrull plot. In fact, Disassembled is a prime candidate for Skrullness. With the "Kree Invasion", misdirection, and more.



More:

Reed Richards. For the sake of the franchise, I hope he's a skrull.

She-Hulk. "I didn't sleep with the Juggernaught!" In fact, an upcoming issue deals with this, I believe.

Black Bolt. Can't remember the Beyonder? One of the 4 who sent Hulk off world. Getting Hulk off world would be high on my list if I was trying to invade a planet.

Dr Strange. "There's no such thing as Chaos magic." "Send him to another world to come back stronger?" However, he uses his astral self. But Xavier uses Astral self too. And astral selves are actually representations of your imaginations. Hmmmm.. I just like the idea of Tony being the only human who sent Hulk in to space. It's a great way to bring him off of his "futurist" high horse. I said before that I really wanted him to learn a lesson from everything. WWH and a Skrull invasion would reground him, and I HOPE make him a better man.

Hank Pym. Ultron Ultron Ultron. I wish all (except the original) Ultrons are explained to be a product of Skrull plots.

Green Goblin. No nanites. Agent of chaos and fear in Spider-man's life. I'd love for this incarnation to be a Skrull.

Sersi. Why doesn't she want to be turned back into an Eternal? Hmmmm????




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Ben H




> > I dont think any of the New Avengers are skrulls thanks to Doc Stranges spell making sure everyone is of pure intent. So that pulls the NA out of it.
>
> Does it?
>
> Here's what I'm reading (and what Bendis repeated in his two interviews on the subject.)
>
> Look at it from the POV of the skrulls. Religiously speaking, Earth is theirs. They're trying to save their race by taking it. That's a pure intent, strictly speaking.

Since the Skrull/Dire Wraith connection was pointed out a couple of times on this board, I do recall that in the pages of Rom Spaceknight, even when Strange learned of the Wraiths' presence on Earth, he still was unable to detect them with his magic. So that does set a precedent for aliens with sorcerous abilities being able to hide from him. Perhaps the regular Skrulls themselves decided to start utilizing magic.

Just a theory, mind you, and probably totally off-base, but what the heck, worth suggestiong just in case ;\-\)

Ben H


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Hawkeye




Colossus (They never really explained things to a point where I bought it, which is saying a lot considering I buy the fact that he's a guy with metal skin).

Green Goblin (His death reversal was probably one of the worst ever because it undid a classic story, and it would help to explain (though not forgive) the goblin twin story since it could be argued she was hypnotized... Granted, he'd have had to be a Skrull for a looooong time, but whatever undoes that story works for me!)

Hawkeye is NOT a Skrull. There's no way, not just because of the spell Strange cast, but Bendis won't be making that mistake again... You don't mess with Hawkeye!

I have to say, in my book this is the first and only decent thing to happen to "The Avengers" since Bendis took over.


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MrJarvis




> I thought she was suspicious in the begining and thought maybe it was Mephisto, but, BMB mentioned someone that was really pushing the whole registration. I mean it would be easy to say that one of her kids was killed, vaporized, with their technology it would be easy to fake a birth certificate. Plus they have the ability to hypnotize. So it was probably when everyone was fighting that they were able to sneak on the planet, they probably have been her for some time. Maybe thats wht the Watcher was her for not the Civil War but becasue he was watching them make fools of themselves as the planet was quitely being invaded.
>
>
> CLANCY


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Super Rubbery Bung




> > I got really excited about Civil War because I thought we'd get a good, deep discussion about the role of superheroes in the world, law vs vigilantisim, all that stuff. Civil War was just a pointless slug fest, but i felt after wards, maybe now we'll get that discussion with the initiative.
> >
> > If the whole civil war thing was just tony thinking "We have to unite against the skrulls!", then we may never get that discussion. I'd hate to see that great concept not used to its full potential.
>
> I know I also view civil war as more of a discussion about how many civil rights are you willing to give up for the illusion of safety? and in all honesty the only people I actually respected after civil war were:
>
> The X-MEN- They viewed this as a war of man and something they did not need to bother with and I agree
>

So did the Inhumans, Eternals, Deviants, and 198.

> Wolverine and Namor- They went after the REAL badguys of civil war
>
> Thing- No one got hurt or killed by things actions
>
And was civil enough to play poker in the end.

> Finally the Runaways- They stayed out of a fight since they just wanted to live their lives and never be bothered by anyone.
>
L.A is a far cry from New York- it would be interesting to see them now that they are in NY.
>


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