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Brand Echh




Alright, so it's Skrulls... so lets assume they've infested themselves in key places, where might they be?

I'm sure the X-Men will be involved in some way, but none of Whedon's team will be a Skrull and I doubt the New X-Men would have one, but it's possible.

I don't think any of the ongoing solo heroes have been replaced.. they did that with Wolverine a few years back and it cheapened the stories (it also meant every issue by Larsen did not technically have Wolverine in it).

It's not Maria Sharpe because, well, that would change the meaning of Civil War, wouldn't it?

Also, don't assume that just because we've seen internal monologue it isn't a Skrull. On multiple occassions the Skrulls have brainwashed their own operatives.

I doubt any of the Thunderbolts have been replaced.

So... here's my list:

Maria Hill - yes, it's the obvious choice, but at least one high-ranking official needs to be obvious.

Baby Cage - well dur.

Wonder Man - I'm thinking some time between the PAD series and Mighty.

Trauma - yes, it may be obvious because he has shape-shifting powers, but he's also the one with the least backstory in the Initiative.

Justice - he always wants to know what's going on and puts up just enough of a fight to seem displeased, but he always does as he's told and keeps secrets anyway.

Ditto from She-Hulk - wouldn't that be a trip? Okay, probably not.

Iron Man - I really want Tony to be a Skrull... not because I want to negate Civil War, that was all Tony, but because it would be the biggest coup the invaders could possibly make. It can't be him, however, as he's too central to World War Hulk right now.

Villains - I would not be surprised if a lot of villains have been replace (because seriously, who would think to check?!), and hey, Punisher just freed up a bunch of identities!

Who's on your list?




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DH the Lurker




Namor - Not currently in a series (ok, his LS just started). Had that run-in with Super Skrull aka 'Iron Fist' years back, and had his memory erased right after.

Stark - Too much of a copout. Hope not.

Reed Richards - Stretchy powers? Easiest to replicate. Super science and exploration scarily explained by advanced civilization scouting potential targets. Conspiring with Lyja? Eep, what about his kids?

Black Bolt - Most obscure member of the group, most time offscreen to do stuff. Always moving Attilan. Never talks. Very suspicious.

Dr. Strange - Least likely, due to Sorcerer Supreme complications. And yet, Avengers Disassembled, House of M... Nah...

Professor X - Most likely. Always going back into space to hang out with Lilandra. Telepathically verifying what others are saying is true. Anyone remember Maximum Security? He was training a team of Skrulls, for goodness sakes!

Black Panther - Okay, so he turned down membership. But with all the discrepancies due to the relaunch of his series, I really hope Skrulls can be inserted to make sense of it all.



Other likely candidates: Sentry and Jessica Jones. Continuity implants, very recent and prominent.



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BlakGard




> Alright, so it's Skrulls... so lets assume they've infested
> themselves in key places, where might they be?
>
> I'm sure the X-Men will be involved in some way, but none of Whedon's
> team will be a Skrull and I doubt the New X-Men would have one, but
> it's possible.

Honestly, I'd prefer it if they didn't involve the X-Men in this. They've been through (and are going through) enough. Also, Whedon doesn't have a team anymore (unless you count the Runaways, who already have a Skrull). By the time this story even gears up, his run will be a distant memory (for those who even choose to remember it).

> I don't think any of the ongoing solo heroes have been replaced..
> they did that with Wolverine a few years back and it cheapened the
> stories (it also meant every issue by Larsen did not technically have
> Wolverine in it).

Frankly, I'd kiss JoeyQ's stanky feet if they said Wolverine has been a Skrull since at least the last Skrullverine. Everything he's done since has been utter crap.

> It's not Maria Sharpe because, well, that would change the meaning of
> Civil War, wouldn't it?

You mean Miriam Sharpe, and no, I don't think it would necessarily change the meaning of Civil War. Bendis dropped the line about Extremis maybe being started by the Skrull, which would make all of Tony's actions since suspect. Regardless of whether or not that turns out to be true, Miriam Sharpe's no different. I really doubt they will make Tony a Skrull, but I can see him being manipulated by Skrulls.

> Also, don't assume that just because we've seen internal monologue it
> isn't a Skrull. On multiple occassions the Skrulls have brainwashed
> their own operatives.

True, even if it is just making excuses for bad writing. I'd really hope they not use such tripe in this story.

> I doubt any of the Thunderbolts have been replaced.

I don't think we can rule them out. Penance could very well be a Skrull. Oddly survived Stamford. Acting abnormally. Hmm... how Skrully.
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Brand Echh




It can't be one of the Illuminati, at least not as Bendis seemed to suggest, during the events of the mini-series.

That would mean one of the most important characters in Marvel has been a Skrull for 30 years. It negates to much.

What's more, several of those characters have been replaced by Skrulls at one point or another over the years by Skrulls, then it just becomes silly.

Prof. X's chair, on the other hand, is the right mass to hide a Skrull, and look how much it's changed over the years!



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Starstrike




It can't be Wonderman or many of the Mighty Avengers for that matter.

Remember when Doctor Strange cast the spell to bring up the Mighty Avengers worst fears....

Well I doubt a Skrull would be scared of Simon's brother... for instance.

Dunno if a Skrull would be scared of the Brood - like Carol was...

A Tony Skrull....? Nah - I really doubt that...although he might be worried about a Dead Captain America I guess.... but I doubt it.

If a Skrull was in the Mighty Avengers then the fear would have been - being found out.

If any of this lot turns out to be Skrulls then Bendis better come up with a good reason for these Skrulls thinking this way.

My money is on Mr Fantastic... although I can't see why it would be during the Kree / Skrull war... I mean that'd make Franklin a half Skrull...

Also where are the people that the Skrulls took the form of ?

Captain Marvel stands out as the dodgiest resurrection.




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Hal Cyon




> It can't be one of the Illuminati, at least not as Bendis seemed to suggest, during the events of the mini-series.
>
> That would mean one of the most important characters in Marvel has been a Skrull for 30 years. It negates to much.

I agree. All the Illuminati are too high profile and the time frame is way too long for any of them to have been a Skrull and still maintain continuity with their appearances within all those years. I'm sure we're meant to suspect that one or more of the Illuminati are Skrulls. But like you I suspect that Skrull infiltrators or technology hitched a ride along with the Illuminati when they returned to Earth. We've seen that Skrulls can reduce their size to tiny proportions, so several may have been able to tag along. The wheelchair is also a good guess.

What I'm curious about is this whole "holy Skrull scriptures about Earth" thing. Has this been around before or is Bendis just making this up now?


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dave




Suspiciously observing these folks:

Iron Fist. He's currently appearing in a different costume than he is wearing in his own book, which conveniently takes place before current Avengers events. Since he's getting ready to go fight mystical types in some magic city, I think the NA Danny could be a Skrull. I'm guessing the Skrulls have ties to Hydra (that's probably how they get Elektra) and Hydra has been moving in on Danny's company.

Sentry. It wouldn't make a lot of sense because if the Skrulls could make themselves this powerful than why not just attack outright? However, you could use this logic with a million Wolverines. Sentry magically reappeared and his story seems to contradict what we already know about him. It's a long shot but I wouldn't dismiss it outright.

Hawkeye. Maybe it's obvious but he did return from the dead recently. Maybe he only thinks he's Hawkeye. However, something may have happened to him at the end of that issue with the Scarlet Witch.

Jessica Drew. Maybe she's really been working with the Skrulls all this time

Jonah Jameson. It would work.

I don't think A-list heroes will be on the list, but many supporting ones like Wonderman and the like. Otherwise, it would cheapen what is going on in their own books. Iron Man would be too predictable (plus they probably invented extremis and will use it to control him). Spiderman is going through too much stuff right now for it to be him. Nick Fury won't be a Skrull just because it will be more interesting for him not to be.


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SpeedsterEVP




> It can't be Wonderman or many of the Mighty Avengers for that matter.
>
> Remember when Doctor Strange cast the spell to bring up the Mighty Avengers worst fears....
>
> Well I doubt a Skrull would be scared of Simon's brother... for instance.
>
> Dunno if a Skrull would be scared of the Brood - like Carol was...
>
> A Tony Skrull....? Nah - I really doubt that...although he might be worried about a Dead Captain America I guess.... but I doubt it.
>
> If a Skrull was in the Mighty Avengers then the fear would have been - being found out.
>
> If any of this lot turns out to be Skrulls then Bendis better come up with a good reason for these Skrulls thinking this way.
>
> My money is on Mr Fantastic... although I can't see why it would be during the Kree / Skrull war... I mean that'd make Franklin a half Skrull...
Actually, I believe that Franklin's birth happened before the Kree-Skrull War started...and the stuff in New Avengers: Illuminati#1 took place after the war had ended IIRC, didn't it? Wasn't it the Illuminati attacking the Skrulls afterwards for bringing the war to Earth in the first place?
>
> Also where are the people that the Skrulls took the form of ?
>
> Captain Marvel stands out as the dodgiest resurrection.
>
>


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Kieran Frost




I think you can rule out anyone with their own series, since it would effectively end the series.

So that takes out:
- Carol Danvers
- Spiderman
- Wolverine
- Hulk (hmmmm... that would be a twist)
- Iron Man
- Daredevil
- Cable and Deadpool

And I think 'the Runaways' and 'the Young Avengers' are safe. They already have a skrull member, it would not make sense to have an imposter. Why would the imposter not reveal himself to his breathren?

I personally think Reed Richards and Maria Hill are the two best candidates. Reed is out of action in a comic, and Maria Hill always seems suspicious and trixie.


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Sandman




> > Alright, so it's Skrulls... so lets assume they've infested
> > themselves in key places, where might they be?
> >
> > I'm sure the X-Men will be involved in some way, but none of Whedon's
> > team will be a Skrull and I doubt the New X-Men would have one, but
> > it's possible.
>
> Honestly, I'd prefer it if they didn't involve the X-Men in this. They've been through (and are going through) enough. Also, Whedon doesn't have a team anymore (unless you count the Runaways, who already have a Skrull). By the time this story even gears up, his run will be a distant memory (for those who even choose to remember it).
>
> > I don't think any of the ongoing solo heroes have been replaced..
> > they did that with Wolverine a few years back and it cheapened the
> > stories (it also meant every issue by Larsen did not technically have
> > Wolverine in it).
>
> Frankly, I'd kiss JoeyQ's stanky feet if they said Wolverine has been a Skrull since at least the last Skrullverine. Everything he's done since has been utter crap.
>
> > It's not Maria Sharpe because, well, that would change the meaning of
> > Civil War, wouldn't it?
>
> You mean Miriam Sharpe, and no, I don't think it would necessarily change the meaning of Civil War. Bendis dropped the line about Extremis maybe being started by the Skrull, which would make all of Tony's actions since suspect. Regardless of whether or not that turns out to be true, Miriam Sharpe's no different. I really doubt they will make Tony a Skrull, but I can see him being manipulated by Skrulls.
>
> > Also, don't assume that just because we've seen internal monologue it
> > isn't a Skrull. On multiple occassions the Skrulls have brainwashed
> > their own operatives.
>
> True, even if it is just making excuses for bad writing. I'd really hope they not use such tripe in this story.
>
> > I doubt any of the Thunderbolts have been replaced.
>
> I don't think we can rule them out. Penance could very well be a Skrull. Oddly survived Stamford. Acting abnormally. Hmm... how Skrully.
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I don't think Penance will be a Skrull. Why would a Skrull be so sorrowful for killing innocent earthlings enough to cause himself constant pain? I'd say Norman Osborn due to the "patches" that have suddenly kept his sanity in check.


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BlakGard




> > > I doubt any of the Thunderbolts have been replaced.
> >
> > I don't think we can rule them out. Penance could very well be a
> > Skrull. Oddly survived Stamford. Acting abnormally. Hmm... how
> > Skrully.
>
> I don't think Penance will be a Skrull. Why would a Skrull be so
> sorrowful for killing innocent earthlings enough to cause himself
> constant pain? I'd say Norman Osborn due to the "patches" that have
> suddenly kept his sanity in check.

How do we really know he's sorrowful or causing himself constant pain?
How do we really know Stamford was populated by humans?

If we're being lied to, then how do we know where the lie begins or ends?
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BlakGard




> It can't be Wonderman or many of the Mighty Avengers for that matter.
>
> Remember when Doctor Strange cast the spell to bring up the Mighty
> Avengers worst fears....
>
> Well I doubt a Skrull would be scared of Simon's brother... for
> instance.
>
> Dunno if a Skrull would be scared of the Brood - like Carol was...
>
> A Tony Skrull....? Nah - I really doubt that...although he might be
> worried about a Dead Captain America I guess.... but I doubt it.
>
> If a Skrull was in the Mighty Avengers then the fear would have been -
> being found out.
>
> If any of this lot turns out to be Skrulls then Bendis better come up
> with a good reason for these Skrulls thinking this way.

You can't necessarily go by these, because Skrulls have, in the past, been programmed into believing they are the people they are replacing.

I would however agree about Simon, since Wanda resurrected him.

> My money is on Mr Fantastic... although I can't see why it would be
> during the Kree / Skrull war... I mean that'd make Franklin a half
> Skrull...

As said, Franklin was born in 1969. The Kree/Skrull War was in 1971-72. So, Franklin was born before the War.

Honestly, I don't see how any of the Illuminati could have been replaced way back then. If this does turn out to be the case, then... ... ... eesh, I'm going to be pissed. I just don't see how they could feasibly explain the things these characters have done since then. Heck, that before I even started buying comics regularly. That would mean I never really knew these characters.

> Also where are the people that the Skrulls took the form of ?

They don't necessarily have to replace someone. A Skrull can make his identity from scratch.

> Captain Marvel stands out as the dodgiest resurrection.

Not really.
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Binaryan




> > > > I doubt any of the Thunderbolts have been replaced.
> > >
> > > I don't think we can rule them out. Penance could very well be a
> > > Skrull. Oddly survived Stamford. Acting abnormally. Hmm... how
> > > Skrully.
> >
> > I don't think Penance will be a Skrull. Why would a Skrull be so
> > sorrowful for killing innocent earthlings enough to cause himself
> > constant pain? I'd say Norman Osborn due to the "patches" that have
> > suddenly kept his sanity in check.
>
> How do we really know he's sorrowful or causing himself constant pain?
> How do we really know Stamford was populated by humans?
>
> If we're being lied to, then how do we know where the lie begins or ends?

I'm betting the Skrulls are the ones behind Nitro being souped up in the first place, carefully orchestrating a disaster in Stamford that would insure public support of the SHRA and the resulting CIVIL WAR.

In addition, I think some recent new supporting players have been massaging events such as...

Miriam Sharpe - Skrull egging on Stark's guilt
Sarah Day - Skrull elevating Ms. Marvel's public status (not to mention press relations for many superteams)

And others in the mix of upheaval like...

Black Bolt - Skrull infiltrator in the Illuminati, instigating a war against America to further throw things off-kilter.

Night Thrasher - The one who died in Stamford was a sacrificial lamb of a Skrull. The real Dwayne Taylor would never have participated in a reality TV show like that. Toss in Namorita as well to serve as an instigating factor to drive Atlantis into an anti-US state of affairs.

Just my thoughts so far. Along with Mary Jane so Spidey can be single again but not widowed or divorced merely annulled due to his wife being an alien impostor.

Ryan


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