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trickshot




MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat

Corporate vs. man on the street.

Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.

Is this orchestrated?





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Pablo D.




> Is this orchestrated?

I think most of that is just you. Not saying that's bad or wrong or anything, just that I don't think that's how Marvel intended their Avengers stuff to be read.

Now, as far as Civil War goes, that's a different story. There was definitely a lot of heavy handed political commentary in there for those who looked for it.

I think Bendis said somewhere recently that Secret Invasion also could be seen as some sort of political allegory about the situation with racial profiling and the right to occupy Iraq that some Americans think they have or not, but truth be told, I think he was just saying that so SI would seem as 'relevant' as Civil War was. At its core, it seems more like the archetypal Invasion of the Body Snatchers type story, which was in itself a form of political allegory, yes, but in regard to an entirely different subject: the 'Red Scare' that permeated American society during the forties and fifties.


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Obstreperous




> MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
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.. aside from the Republican or Democrat thing (politics is bigger than two very similar parties), the general idea is on the mark. It makes sense.. peoples social/class status affects their politics. Aside from Bishop (who is a cop) most black and Latino characters were against registration.
the actions of the New Avengers are to out their for the Democrats... it more like Iron Man is the republican who pushes a right wing agenda... Warbird the Democrat who goes along with it even if ostensibly she should be against it, and the New Avengers are any one of the radical social movements who are too 'out their' for either conservative party.


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Blargh




> MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really.

Then why did you post it? So you could get a rousing chorus of "Yesmen"

> Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican

Why does wealth=Republican? I'm going to tell you a secret: Democrats have rich people and active military and veterans too!

Did I just blow your mind?

> Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat

Democrats are hardly a weak group and it's debatable at best if they look out for every day citizens more, less, better, or worse than Republicans. But Dems are hardly underdogs because...they are one of 2 major political parties, and those two parties each have half of the voting population.



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Trevor




I heard the New Avengers are supposed to be Democrat-leaning. In NA #40, Iron Fist and Ronin give a back-alley abortion in Alabama to a 16-year-old who can't scrape together the $400 for a real abortion.

Also, in future arcs, Dr. Strange will convert the Sanctum Sanctorum into a welfare office (because welfare offices are magic; they make money appear out of thin air)!


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zeus




MA - everyone needs to be registered. The government must solve our problems and approve of/train heroes. Democrat

NA - We are capable of handling things ourselves. We want to help people by ourselves and not through government intervention. We want to be able to defend ourselves. Republican.

Just look at how the basic party philosophies on the 2nd ammendment, taxes, and charitable giving.

> MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
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> Corporate vs. man on the street.
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> Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
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> Is this orchestrated?
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Amoral




Trickshot - You have to get out more.


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trickshot




> MA - everyone needs to be registered. The government must solve our problems and approve of/train heroes. Democrat
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> NA - We are capable of handling things ourselves. We want to help people by ourselves and not through government intervention. We want to be able to defend ourselves. Republican.
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> Just look at how the basic party philosophies on the 2nd ammendment, taxes, and charitable giving.
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> > MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> > Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> > Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
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> > Corporate vs. man on the street.
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> > Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
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> > Is this orchestrated?

So Tony Stark, Hank Pym and Reed Richards are Democrats and Peter Parker, Logan. and Luke Cage are Republicans? Boy was I off. Thanks for straightening that out.
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Fafhrd




> > MA - everyone needs to be registered. The government must solve our problems and approve of/train heroes. Democrat
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> > NA - We are capable of handling things ourselves. We want to help people by ourselves and not through government intervention. We want to be able to defend ourselves. Republican.
> >
> > Just look at how the basic party philosophies on the 2nd ammendment, taxes, and charitable giving.
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> > > MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> > > Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> > > Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
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> > > Corporate vs. man on the street.
> > >
> > > Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
> > >
> > > Is this orchestrated?
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> So Tony Stark, Hank Pym and Reed Richards are Democrats and Peter Parker, Logan. and Luke Cage are Republicans? Boy was I off. Thanks for straightening that out.
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> > >I think that is what the (mostly) left leaning editoral and writing staff at Marvel thinks of Republicans, i.e. ,I'm rich so I have a right to make all the rules. The sorry fact of American politics today is that neither party truly represents "the people" any longer. In the fictional Marvel world, despite claims of being a more "real" depiction of super heroics, the political lines are very well defined, unlike our real world.

I believe Tony Stark is intended to be a Republican while Reed Richards is intended to be a Democrat. If they existed in our real world, both of these things would likely remain true.

The Marvel Black Widow reads like a Republican to me, but given her upbringing and backstory would almost certainly be a liberal, if not a Democrat.

The intention for Spiderman to be a Democrat within Marvel is obvious, what with his selflessness and put everyone else first attitude, but in the real world, I can't believe he would be anything but a libertarian (minus the legalized drugs crap)or at least a Reaganite. His self sufficiency and ability to overcome anything with hard work and dedication is everything the Republicans SAY they are about.

Luke Cage reads like and would be a Democrat. But in the 1950's train of thought. I think most of the present crop of Democrats (and some Republicans also)would fear him and his ideology more than anyone else.

The one true Captain America is obviously intended to be a Democrat leaning centrist. A real world version would be savvy enough to not let his politics become common thought to the masses or his friends because he would respect how much weight his beliefs would have with those of us who only (and continue to)see him as a symbol and icon, not a man. Or even a hero.

A real world Bucky would eat a bullet inside of two weeks when he realizes how unprepared humans are to carry the true weight of that shield.

FAFHRD

PS For the record, I was a Reaganite Republican until Bush senior reversed his position on taxes. I voted Libertarian last election, and was leaning toward Ron Paul this year until all the anti-semetic stuff started coming out. While I can't bring myself to consider voting for him in November, John McCain is the only remaining candidate I respect at all.

PPS Sorry for the long post.


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zeus




> > MA - everyone needs to be registered. The government must solve our problems and approve of/train heroes. Democrat
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> > NA - We are capable of handling things ourselves. We want to help people by ourselves and not through government intervention. We want to be able to defend ourselves. Republican.
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> > Just look at how the basic party philosophies on the 2nd ammendment, taxes, and charitable giving.
> >
> > > MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> > > Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> > > Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
> > >
> > > Corporate vs. man on the street.
> > >
> > > Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
> > >
> > > Is this orchestrated?
>
> So Tony Stark, Hank Pym and Reed Richards are Democrats and Peter Parker, Logan. and Luke Cage are Republicans? Boy was I off. Thanks for straightening that out.
> > >
I don't know what political philosophy those individuals hold to, and I think we're all better off that way. Both parties have rich constituents, militarily inclined constituents, and weak-minded constituents. (Although I can't tell you how much I appreciate "weak minded" being used to describe people in my political party.) Believe it or not, most members of both parties believe their policies will help those less fortunate than themselves.

I explained how I think the teams' philosophies annd methods are reflected in a political structure.


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Quentin Beck




I'd to see comic books become shallow and judgemental like the movies are now. 'You have to like Brokback Moutain or you're a racist'. They're so self-rightous in the movie industry, I don't think much of their awarding winning films because of that. Well, that and their so boring.

Besides, everyone knows Democrats want Super Heroes to work for the United Nations. Which is something I'm against.


> MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
>
> Corporate vs. man on the street.
>
> Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
>
> Is this orchestrated?
>
>
>


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t




> MA - everyone needs to be registered. The government must solve our problems and approve of/train heroes. Democrat



> NA - We are capable of handling things ourselves. We want to help people by ourselves and not through government intervention. We want to be able to defend ourselves. Republican.
>
> Just look at how the basic party philosophies on the 2nd ammendment, taxes, and charitable giving.

How are Republicans supporters of small government? During the last 6 years the republicans have vastly increased the size of government in the name of security, which is what the MA have done with the SHRA. So how are the MA "Republicans"?


> > MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> > Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> > Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
> >
> > Corporate vs. man on the street.
> >
> > Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
> >
> > Is this orchestrated?
> >
> >
> >


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Brian




> MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
>
> Corporate vs. man on the street.
>
> Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
>
> Is this orchestrated?
>
>
>

I don't know about everything, but this was blatantly obvious form the start. Just as it was obvious which side the writers were on.

Despite Mark Millar's protestations, Iron Man and company were constantly portrayed as the bad guys, making deals with super villains like Venom, cloning Thor, et cetera.


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dave




> I'd to see comic books become shallow and judgemental like the movies are now. 'You have to like Brokback Moutain or you're a racist'. They're so self-rightous in the movie industry, I don't think much of their awarding winning films because of that. Well, that and their so boring.
>

How would not liking Broakback Mountain make you a racist? Everyone in that movie is white.

Did you see it? It was pretty good, if you like depressing tragedies anyhow.

> Besides, everyone knows Democrats want Super Heroes to work for the United Nations. Which is something I'm against.
>

Who said that? Democrats argued for an international force in a war, not a world order.

>
> > MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> > Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> > Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
> >
> > Corporate vs. man on the street.
> >
> > Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
> >
> > Is this orchestrated?
> >
> >
> >


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dave




> > MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> > Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> > Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
> >
> > Corporate vs. man on the street.
> >
> > Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
> >
> > Is this orchestrated?
> >
> >
> >
>
> I don't know about everything, but this was blatantly obvious form the start. Just as it was obvious which side the writers were on.
>
> Despite Mark Millar's protestations, Iron Man and company were constantly portrayed as the bad guys, making deals with super villains like Venom, cloning Thor, et cetera.

I think both sides were given bad lighting. Cap's team worked with killers and brought children into combat.


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zeus




> > MA - everyone needs to be registered. The government must solve our problems and approve of/train heroes. Democrat
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>
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> > NA - We are capable of handling things ourselves. We want to help people by ourselves and not through government intervention. We want to be able to defend ourselves. Republican.
> >
> > Just look at how the basic party philosophies on the 2nd ammendment, taxes, and charitable giving.
>
> How are Republicans supporters of small government? During the last 6 years the republicans have vastly increased the size of government in the name of security, which is what the MA have done with the SHRA. So how are the MA "Republicans"?

The difference is that in the real world, we're fighting a war. We pretty much have to do that through the government, as that's one of their most basic jobs. When we go to war, they take care of it. Whether you or I agree with this war or not is an issue that I think is going to take us away from the purposes of this message board.

In the MU, the U.S. government has, in an enormous way, taken over a job that had previously been done pretty well by private citizens for over a decade past (MU time); all over an event that wasn't much out of the ordinary for them.

I shouldn't even get into stuff like this on comic book message boards. If people like Nitro or Spider-Man existed in the real world, heck yeah I'd want our government to know about them and to be able to keep them from blowing up a school or webbing me to a lamp-post.

In the M.U. however, private citizens have been saving the Earth for years successfully, and the U.S. Governent that has siezed control over these citizens has been manipulated and corrupted more times than any human can count.

There are people on these boards who are far more elequent than I who can explain why the encroachment of "realism" severely damages the world these super-heroes live in. It doesn't make sense to try to apply a lot of our rules to these stories.

I guess I just get my hackles raised when I see the "bad guys" automatically labeled Republican or Right Wing, and when Republicans are labeled as rich or weak minded. I'd like to think I'm a far cry from one, and my job as a music teacher keeps me from being the other.

> > > MA are Republicans, NA are Democrats, you can debate that, but not really. I don't believe this was unintentional.
> > > Financially advanced (Iron-man, Wonder-man, Wasp) or Militarily leaning characters ( Ms Marvel, Black Widow, Ares) and weak-minded (Yellowjacket, Sentry)(this may raise some hackles) not to mention most powerful- Republican
> > > Weaker group, looking out for the most vulnerable of citizens (Cap, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cage, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Echo, or Daredevil) underdogs all. Not sure about Spiderwoman.-Democrat
> > >
> > > Corporate vs. man on the street.
> > >
> > > Republicans won the Civil War battle. Dems will win the final battle and ultimately the war-shortly before the '08 elections.
> > >
> > > Is this orchestrated?
> > >
> > >
> > >


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