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The Overlord




Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?

A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?

It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.

It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:

Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work, Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has only joined the group for kicks, Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal because he believes the resources from this group will help in this cause, etc.

This group should be far more interesting than the way Bendis writes them. This group is completely unimpressive.


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TJ Burns




> Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?

No. Add in contradictory, and you've got my feelings as well.

> A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?

Good point. The Wizard TURNED to crime because he wanted to prove his superiority to others. Him following the Hood makes almost as little sense as the Crusader and the Foolkiller doing the same.

> It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.

Jigsaw, ironically, being one of few villains that really would fit in nicely for this plot. \:\)

> It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:
>
> Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work,

Agreed. If he's not doing just that, he's out of character.

> Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has
> only joined the group for kicks,

If he's there at all (I hadn't seen him), that's gotta be why.

> Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his
> agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal
> because he believes the resources from this group will help in this
> cause, etc.

That'd make sense.

> This group should be far more interesting than the way Bendis writes them. This group is completely unimpressive.

Agreed, sadly. Part of it is, I think, that Bendis picked his army based on looks and abilities and ignored the characters underneath. Sigh.


TJB


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Dark Marvel




> Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?
>
> A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?

***Well lets put it this way...when was the last time the wizard did anything successful for all that genius? I mean why did all those other guys work for a fatarse like Kingpin? Because it takes more than genius it takes a vision, it takes initiative and a unifying quality...The Hood has that.
>
> It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.

***With such a big group that doesn't have their own book, it's not easy to make them all individuals.


>
> It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:
>
> Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work, Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has only joined the group for kicks, Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal because he believes the resources from this group will help in this cause, etc.

***Except The Hood gave them all that offer before...they can all do those things as long as the group gets a piece...if the wizard wants a banatronic galvanizing ray tell the hood...we will get a team together and they will get it for him. etc etc. Hell I mean right after a group of villains gets caught by SHIELD The Hood goes right to the carrier and gets them out.

>
> This group should be far more interesting than the way Bendis writes them. This group is completely unimpressive.

***The group has been seen in what 3 issues...give them some time.


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The overlord




> > Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?
> >
> > A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?



> ***Well lets put it this way...when was the last time the wizard did anything successful for all that genius? I mean why did all those other guys work for a fatarse like Kingpin? Because it takes more than genius it takes a vision, it takes initiative and a unifying quality...The Hood has that.

So why not write Wizard as a starscream in this title, that would actually be intelligent. Besides Wizard is a pretentious ego driven jerk, why would he take orders from him? Plus Kingpin wasn't 21, how many 30 year olds take orders from a 21 year old?
> >
> > It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.
>
> ***With such a big group that doesn't have their own book, it's not easy to make them all individuals.

A few key individuals should have gotten characterization: Wizard, Purple man, Jonas Harrow.
>
> >
> > It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:
> >
> > Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work, Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has only joined the group for kicks, Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal because he believes the resources from this group will help in this cause, etc.
>
> ***Except The Hood gave them all that offer before...they can all do those things as long as the group gets a piece...if the wizard wants a banatronic galvanizing ray tell the hood...we will get a team together and they will get it for him. etc etc. Hell I mean right after a group of villains gets caught by SHIELD The Hood goes right to the carrier and gets them out.

But half the super villains there are ego manics and the very concept of taking orders is offensive to them and they have escaped from prison. Madame Masque and Wizard should be treating the Hood like he is uneducated trash, because they wouldn't respect a 20 year old punk and 50 grand or beating up Tigra doesnt change that. These characters are being under written to be Hood's minions, it doesn't ring true.
>
> >
> > This group should be far more interesting than the way Bendis writes them. This group is completely unimpressive.
>
> ***The group has been seen in what 3 issues...give them some time.

Assuming that they aren't just forgotten during secret invasion.


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John Phamlore




I agree with your points, but I think Bendis must be writing things as they are for some effect. I have the idea that The Hood has been transformed by Bendis into the Internet age's Mary Sue, the superbeing the reader can project to in the story.

The Hood is a such a character for the Internet-connected reader in particular because on the web one can read Bendis's careful explanation that The Hood's assault on Tigra was not supposed to have sexual assault overtones. Also one can be filled-in on The Hood's backstory to see how he has been changed in his depiction from his creator's vision to Bendis's, from a nineteen year old kid struggling somewhat unsuccessfully to transitioning to full adulthood with adult responsibilities who catches one superpowered break to Bendis's version of someone who is able to inspire fear in hardened Marvel supervillains, many if not all who have served time in prison.

The Hood is therefore in some sense us, the reader, inserted into the story. The heroes are beyond what I think most of us can even imagine relating to, even the more street-level ones like Spider-Man or Wolverine. The Hood right now is the reader given just enough, so far not well-specified, power to be able to play one's role in the story, doing things that the reader would think of doing. And by having The Hood be among villains, not sharing feelings reflects in some sense anonymity on the Internet.







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The overlord




> I agree with your points, but I think Bendis must be writing things as they are for some effect. I have the idea that The Hood has been transformed by Bendis into the Internet age's Mary Sue, the superbeing the reader can project to in the story.
>
> The Hood is a such a character for the Internet-connected reader in particular because on the web one can read Bendis's careful explanation that The Hood's assault on Tigra was not supposed to have sexual assault overtones. Also one can be filled-in on The Hood's backstory to see how he has been changed in his depiction from his creator's vision to Bendis's, from a nineteen year old kid struggling somewhat unsuccessfully to transitioning to full adulthood with adult responsibilities who catches one superpowered break to Bendis's version of someone who is able to inspire fear in hardened Marvel supervillains, many if not all who have served time in prison.
>
> The Hood is therefore in some sense us, the reader, inserted into the story. The heroes are beyond what I think most of us can even imagine relating to, even the more street-level ones like Spider-Man or Wolverine. The Hood right now is the reader given just enough, so far not well-specified, power to be able to play one's role in the story, doing things that the reader would think of doing. And by having The Hood be among villains, not sharing feelings reflects in some sense anonymity on the Internet.
>
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>
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>


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Dark Marvel




> > > Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?
> > >
> > > A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?
>
>
>
> > ***Well lets put it this way...when was the last time the wizard did anything successful for all that genius? I mean why did all those other guys work for a fatarse like Kingpin? Because it takes more than genius it takes a vision, it takes initiative and a unifying quality...The Hood has that.
>
> So why not write Wizard as a starscream in this title, that would actually be intelligent. Besides Wizard is a pretentious ego driven jerk, why would he take orders from him? Plus Kingpin wasn't 21, how many 30 year olds take orders from a 21 year old?


***You can look in plenty of offices the infrastructure is the new blood actually runing things and the old blood taking orders. As for this genius of the Wizard...Dude. He is old blood who has done nothing worthy in the last 20 years. Written realistically he would try and be Starscream and everyone else would be...chill old guy...when was the last time you did anything of note. Hood is unifying people and getting things done and getting money and actually listening to people...he isnt just throwing orders around...he gathers down and out villains and made them an offer...they took it...I dont see the problem.


> > >
> > > It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.
> >
> > ***With such a big group that doesn't have their own book, it's not easy to make them all individuals.
>
> A few key individuals should have gotten characterization: Wizard, Purple man, Jonas Harrow.


There is time for characterization...later.


> >
> > >
> > > It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:
> > >
> > > Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work, Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has only joined the group for kicks, Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal because he believes the resources from this group will help in this cause, etc.
> >
> > ***Except The Hood gave them all that offer before...they can all do those things as long as the group gets a piece...if the wizard wants a banatronic galvanizing ray tell the hood...we will get a team together and they will get it for him. etc etc. Hell I mean right after a group of villains gets caught by SHIELD The Hood goes right to the carrier and gets them out.
>
> But half the super villains there are ego manics and the very concept of taking orders is offensive to them and they have escaped from prison.


Once again they aren't taking blind orders...every single thing the hood is saying makes sense...and they see it too.


Madame Masque and Wizard should be treating the Hood like he is uneducated trash, because they wouldn't respect a 20 year old punk and 50 grand or beating up Tigra doesnt change that.

***Except for the fact where they are now is better than where they were before they met the hood.


These characters are being under written to be Hood's minions, it doesn't ring true.

***Not true. The way Doom treats his people...thats minion...the way Hood is treating them is actually respectful.


> >
> > >
> > > This group should be far more interesting than the way Bendis writes them. This group is completely unimpressive.
> >
> > ***The group has been seen in what 3 issues...give them some time.
>
> Assuming that they aren't just forgotten during secret invasion.


Assuming.


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trickshot




> Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?
>
> A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?
>
> It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.
>
> It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:
>
> Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work, Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has only joined the group for kicks, Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal because he believes the resources from this group will help in this cause, etc.
>
> This group should be far more interesting than the way Bendis writes them. This group is completely unimpressive.

I don't think it's all Bendis. The group is very large (hard to get interaction or even thought balloons from all of them), the problem I have is trying to even identify them thru the muddy art. Hopefully Yu's successor will be able to identify a character by his physical appearance (and maybe even have them visibly express a thought). Currently I have to go back and re-read the issue three times and add up all the indicators just to identify the character. Contrast that to the clean artwork in the JLA/Legion of Doom clash. The characters were no more defined, but you knew who all the character were visually, and some emotion was expressed by the character (every character didn't have the same gape mouthed expression)


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The overlord




> > > > Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?
> > > >
> > > > A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?
> >
> >
> >
> > > ***Well lets put it this way...when was the last time the wizard did anything successful for all that genius? I mean why did all those other guys work for a fatarse like Kingpin? Because it takes more than genius it takes a vision, it takes initiative and a unifying quality...The Hood has that.
> >
> > So why not write Wizard as a starscream in this title, that would actually be intelligent. Besides Wizard is a pretentious ego driven jerk, why would he take orders from him? Plus Kingpin wasn't 21, how many 30 year olds take orders from a 21 year old?
>
>
> ***You can look in plenty of offices the infrastructure is the new blood actually runing things and the old blood taking orders. As for this genius of the Wizard...Dude. He is old blood who has done nothing worthy in the last 20 years. Written realistically he would try and be Starscream and everyone else would be...chill old guy...when was the last time you did anything of note. Hood is unifying people and getting things done and getting money and actually listening to people...he isnt just throwing orders around...he gathers
down and out villains and made them an offer...they took it...I dont see the problem.

Because some of these guys like being their own boss, so the every idea of taking orders would be offensive. Wizard never worked for Kingpin or anyone else, why would he work for the Hood?
>
>
> > > >
> > > > It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.
> > >
> > > ***With such a big group that doesn't have their own book, it's not easy to make them all individuals.
> >
> > A few key individuals should have gotten characterization: Wizard, Purple man, Jonas Harrow.
>
>
> There is time for characterization...later.

When, half past Doomsday?
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:
> > > >
> > > > Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work, Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has only joined the group for kicks, Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal because he believes the resources from this group will help in this cause, etc.
> > >
> > > ***Except The Hood gave them all that offer before...they can all do those things as long as the group gets a piece...if the wizard wants a banatronic galvanizing ray tell the hood...we will get a team together and they will get it for him. etc etc. Hell I mean right after a group of villains gets caught by SHIELD The Hood goes right to the carrier and gets them out.
> >
> > But half the super villains there are ego manics and the very concept of taking orders is offensive to them and they have escaped from prison.
>
>
> Once again they aren't taking blind orders...every single thing the hood is saying makes sense...and they see it too.

How does going from being their own boss to being a minion make sense for all these guys? Heck purple man doesn't need money, why is he here?

>
> Madame Masque and Wizard should be treating the Hood like he is uneducated trash, because they wouldn't respect a 20 year old punk and 50 grand or beating up Tigra doesnt change that.
>
> ***Except for the fact where they are now is better than where they were before they met the hood.

Says who, Masque was a major figure in the maggia, which was more established in the underworld then the Hood was, why would she take orders from him? her father is count nefaria, one call to daddy and the Hood is in a world of trouble.
>
> These characters are being under written to be Hood's minions, it doesn't ring true.
>
> ***Not true. The way Doom treats his people...thats minion...the way Hood is treating them is actually respectful.

Irrelevant to the psychopathic or ego maniac villains there, they are never gratful.
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This group should be far more interesting than the way Bendis writes them. This group is completely unimpressive.
> > >
> > > ***The group has been seen in what 3 issues...give them some time.
> >
> > Assuming that they aren't just forgotten during secret invasion.
>
>
> Assuming.


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Dark Marvel




> > > > > Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?
> > > > >
> > > > > A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ***Well lets put it this way...when was the last time the wizard did anything successful for all that genius? I mean why did all those other guys work for a fatarse like Kingpin? Because it takes more than genius it takes a vision, it takes initiative and a unifying quality...The Hood has that.
> > >
> > > So why not write Wizard as a starscream in this title, that would actually be intelligent. Besides Wizard is a pretentious ego driven jerk, why would he take orders from him? Plus Kingpin wasn't 21, how many 30 year olds take orders from a 21 year old?
> >
> >
> > ***You can look in plenty of offices the infrastructure is the new blood actually runing things and the old blood taking orders. As for this genius of the Wizard...Dude. He is old blood who has done nothing worthy in the last 20 years. Written realistically he would try and be Starscream and everyone else would be...chill old guy...when was the last time you did anything of note. Hood is unifying people and getting things done and getting money and actually listening to people...he isnt just throwing orders around...he gathers
> down and out villains and made them an offer...they took it...I dont see the problem.
>
> Because some of these guys like being their own boss,

***Sometimes you gotta do what you don't like in order to get things done. I love being my own boss but you know what. I go to work everyday and listen to what my boss says because I got bills to pay.



so the every idea of taking orders would be offensive. Wizard never worked for Kingpin or anyone else, why would he work for the Hood?

***Kingpin never made him a good offer, Kingpin never showed him what he is capable of and Kingpin almost never employed people of the super-villain crowd.


> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.
> > > >
> > > > ***With such a big group that doesn't have their own book, it's not easy to make them all individuals.
> > >
> > > A few key individuals should have gotten characterization: Wizard, Purple man, Jonas Harrow.
> >
> >
> > There is time for characterization...later.
>
> When, half past Doomsday?


***Maybe, but impatience, for characterization for such a big group of villains, that doesn't even have their own monthly, and have been in all of maybe 5-6 issues maximum wont make it happen any faster son.


> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:
> > > > >
> > > > > Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work, Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has only joined the group for kicks, Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal because he believes the resources from this group will help in this cause, etc.
> > > >
> > > > ***Except The Hood gave them all that offer before...they can all do those things as long as the group gets a piece...if the wizard wants a banatronic galvanizing ray tell the hood...we will get a team together and they will get it for him. etc etc. Hell I mean right after a group of villains gets caught by SHIELD The Hood goes right to the carrier and gets them out.
> > >
> > > But half the super villains there are ego manics and the very concept of taking orders is offensive to them and they have escaped from prison.
> >
> >
> > Once again they aren't taking blind orders...every single thing the hood is saying makes sense...and they see it too.
>
> How does going from being their own boss to being a minion make sense


***Easy when being your own boss, hasn't gotten you any money, when being your own boss hasn't gotten you any success, when being your own boss, hasn't done you any good.



for all these guys? Heck purple man doesn't need money, why is he here?


***Because maybe he wants more? He is a greedy bastard, and I don't recall The Hood giving him any orders. Maybe he wants to see what this kid is all about.


>
> >
> > Madame Masque and Wizard should be treating the Hood like he is uneducated trash, because they wouldn't respect a 20 year old punk and 50 grand or beating up Tigra doesnt change that.
> >
> > ***Except for the fact where they are now is better than where they were before they met the hood.
>
> Says who, Masque was a major figure in the maggia, which was more established in the underworld then the Hood was, why would she take orders from him? her father is count nefaria, one call to daddy and the Hood is in a world of trouble.
> >
> > These characters are being under written to be Hood's minions, it doesn't ring true.
> >
> > ***Not true. The way Doom treats his people...thats minion...the way Hood is treating them is actually respectful.
>
> Irrelevant to the psychopathic or ego maniac villains there, they are never gratful.


***Never say never.


> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This group should be far more interesting than the way Bendis writes them. This group is completely unimpressive.
> > > >
> > > > ***The group has been seen in what 3 issues...give them some time.
> > >
> > > Assuming that they aren't just forgotten during secret invasion.
> >
> >
> > Assuming.


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The Overlord




> > > > > > Am I the only who thinks the Hood's gang is really boring and unimpressive so far?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A lot of these villains are supposed to geniuses as well (like the Wizard) so why would they all serve the Hood?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ***Well lets put it this way...when was the last time the wizard did anything successful for all that genius? I mean why did all those other guys work for a fatarse like Kingpin? Because it takes more than genius it takes a vision, it takes initiative and a unifying quality...The Hood has that.
> > > >
> > > > So why not write Wizard as a starscream in this title, that would actually be intelligent. Besides Wizard is a pretentious ego driven jerk, why would he take orders from him? Plus Kingpin wasn't 21, how many 30 year olds take orders from a 21 year old?
> > >
> > >
> > > ***You can look in plenty of offices the infrastructure is the new blood actually runing things and the old blood taking orders. As for this genius of the Wizard...Dude. He is old blood who has done nothing worthy in the last 20 years. Written realistically he would try and be Starscream and everyone else would be...chill old guy...when was the last time you did anything of note. Hood is unifying people and getting things done and getting money and actually listening to people...he isnt just throwing orders around...he gathers
> > down and out villains and made them an offer...they took it...I dont see the problem.
> >
> > Because some of these guys like being their own boss,
>
> ***Sometimes you gotta do what you don't like in order to get things done. I love being my own boss but you know what. I go to work everyday and listen to what my boss says because I got bills to pay.

You are not an pathological ego maniac, Wizard is. Wizard seems to get by fine (his equipment is always around for example), his motive has always been about ego and spite, not profit. Its not in character for him to be taking orders at all.
>
>
> so the every idea of taking orders would be offensive. Wizard never worked for Kingpin or anyone else, why would he work for the Hood?
>
> ***Kingpin never made him a good offer, Kingpin never showed him what he is capable of and Kingpin almost never employed people of the super-villain crowd.

Kingpin employed metas : Bullseye, Typhoid Mary, Bushwacker, etc. Some guys just aren't interested in working for other people, which is why Kingpin never went to Dr. Octopus, that guy is too much of an ego manic to work for anyone.

>
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems like these villains jobbing to the Hood to make him look cooler. Besides Hood and maybe Jigsaw, none of these villains have displayed any personality in this group. They all come off as minions, instead of characters with their own personality.
> > > > >
> > > > > ***With such a big group that doesn't have their own book, it's not easy to make them all individuals.
> > > >
> > > > A few key individuals should have gotten characterization: Wizard, Purple man, Jonas Harrow.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is time for characterization...later.
> >
> > When, half past Doomsday?
>
>
> ***Maybe, but impatience, for characterization for such a big group of villains, that doesn't even have their own monthly, and have been in all of maybe 5-6 issues maximum wont make it happen any faster son.

Seige of the avengers mansion wasn't much longer and most of the members had personalities and were threatening.

>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It be easy and far more interesting to give these villains some personality and have some group interaction. Some of the thug villains would be impressed with the Hood because of intelligence and the fact that he is a product of the streets, however others should have their own agendas:
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> > > > > > Wizard could be the "starscream" of the group, secretly planning on overthrowing the Hood after he has done all the leg work, Purple Man as the scary psycho everyone kinda dislikes and who has only joined the group for kicks, Jonas Harrow as the one who is merely interested in pursuing his agenda of advancing his own bizarre experiments and stays loyal because he believes the resources from this group will help in this cause, etc.
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> > > > > ***Except The Hood gave them all that offer before...they can all do those things as long as the group gets a piece...if the wizard wants a banatronic galvanizing ray tell the hood...we will get a team together and they will get it for him. etc etc. Hell I mean right after a group of villains gets caught by SHIELD The Hood goes right to the carrier and gets them out.
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> > > > But half the super villains there are ego manics and the very concept of taking orders is offensive to them and they have escaped from prison.
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> > > Once again they aren't taking blind orders...every single thing the hood is saying makes sense...and they see it too.
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> > How does going from being their own boss to being a minion make sense
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> ***Easy when being your own boss, hasn't gotten you any money, when being your own boss hasn't gotten you any success, when being your own boss, hasn't done you any good.

How does Masque not have any money, she is major figure in the maggia, thus she has a ton of money and is already more established in the underworld then the Hood is.
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> for all these guys? Heck purple man doesn't need money, why is he here?
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> ***Because maybe he wants more? He is a greedy bastard, and I don't recall The Hood giving him any orders. Maybe he wants to see what this kid is all about.

He isn't greedy, he is lazy and lustful. With his mind control powers, he doesn't need money, he is semi retirement now, he just goes around raping college students and staying in fancy hotel rooms. What can the hood offer that his mond control powers don't already provide, its OCC for him to be this group with no explantion.
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> > > Madame Masque and Wizard should be treating the Hood like he is uneducated trash, because they wouldn't respect a 20 year old punk and 50 grand or beating up Tigra doesnt change that.
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> > > ***Except for the fact where they are now is better than where they were before they met the hood.
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> > Says who, Masque was a major figure in the maggia, which was more established in the underworld then the Hood was, why would she take orders from him? her father is count nefaria, one call to daddy and the Hood is in a world of trouble.
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> > > These characters are being under written to be Hood's minions, it doesn't ring true.
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> > > ***Not true. The way Doom treats his people...thats minion...the way Hood is treating them is actually respectful.
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> > Irrelevant to the psychopathic or ego maniac villains there, they are never gratful.
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> ***Never say never.

Yeah, so the scarecrow a psychopathic monster who kills children is suddenly going to be grateful to the hood because he gave him 50 grand? Wizard will forget all about his own monsterous ego for 50 grand? So for getting them out of prison, they already get of prison every week. This whole thing is OCC for half of these guys.

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Lobo del Aire




He, the demon controlling the Hood is using him to gather a lot of souls (i.e, his group of criminals) to use it to fuel a gateway to his dimension and bring hell on Earth.

I know it is a cliché, but I could not resist it. \:D


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