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Brand Echh




Twice now, Tigra has been brutalized horribly at the hands of the same villains, this time while (apparently) naked and in bed (not that they did anything other than punch and threaten her).

I realize this is intended to make the Hood into someone the fans will love to hate.... but so far I just hate the whole situation.

This isn't just making Hood into a bad guy, it's making Tigra into the super-hero punching bag.

I get the feeling Bendis is building to a big showdown in which the Hood gets his come-upins (which would be contradictory to his "new Kingpin" comments in interviews), but that just isn't enough.

This isn't the only way her name has been drug through the mud. In Mighty Avengers and Initiative she is dating Hank Pym. Nothing's wrong with that, but the implication is that she's a sex-crazed floozy. C'mon, even She-Hulk's gotten past that label.

The only way to redeem this situation is for Tigra herself to become a major player in the Marvel Universe... she needs to be the detective that Black Panther is, the fighter that Wolverine is and the star that Spider-Man is.

Personally, I'd love to see that. As it is, I get the feeling she's going to continue to be the joke of the Marvel Universe.

I was never a big Tigra fan, but this just isn't right ....


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katefan




> Twice now, Tigra has been brutalized horribly at the hands of the same villains, this time while (apparently) naked and in bed (not that they did anything other than punch and threaten her).
>
> I realize this is intended to make the Hood into someone the fans will love to hate.... but so far I just hate the whole situation.
>
> This isn't just making Hood into a bad guy, it's making Tigra into the super-hero punching bag.
>
> I get the feeling Bendis is building to a big showdown in which the Hood gets his come-upins (which would be contradictory to his "new Kingpin" comments in interviews), but that just isn't enough.
>
> This isn't the only way her name has been drug through the mud. In Mighty Avengers and Initiative she is dating Hank Pym. Nothing's wrong with that, but the implication is that she's a sex-crazed floozy. C'mon, even She-Hulk's gotten past that label.
>
> The only way to redeem this situation is for Tigra herself to become a major player in the Marvel Universe... she needs to be the detective that Black Panther is, the fighter that Wolverine is and the star that Spider-Man is.
>
> Personally, I'd love to see that. As it is, I get the feeling she's going to continue to be the joke of the Marvel Universe.
>
> I was never a big Tigra fan, but this just isn't right ....

Agreed. I hate it when writers completely ignore huge chunks of a character's background. In Tigra's case 1) she became a NY police officer in her own mini series and 2) Captain America was there at her graduation.

So 1) why isn't she a cop any more? Be nice if they had explored that, especially when it was a cop that was responsible for her current troubles (the re-assignment) and 2) would she have really betrayed Cap, the man who had been so supportive of her?


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Blargh




> Twice now, Tigra has been brutalized horribly at the hands of the same villains, this time while (apparently) naked and in bed (not that they did anything other than punch and threaten her).

She had clothes on.

>
> I realize this is intended to make the Hood into someone the fans will love to hate.... but so far I just hate the whole situation.
>
> This isn't just making Hood into a bad guy, it's making Tigra into the super-hero punching bag.
>
> I get the feeling Bendis is building to a big showdown in which the Hood gets his come-upins (which would be contradictory to his "new Kingpin" comments in interviews), but that just isn't enough.
>
> This isn't the only way her name has been drug through the mud. In Mighty Avengers and Initiative she is dating Hank Pym. Nothing's wrong with that, but the implication is that she's a sex-crazed floozy. C'mon, even She-Hulk's gotten past that label.
>
> The only way to redeem this situation is for Tigra herself to become a major player in the Marvel Universe... she needs to be the detective that Black Panther is, the fighter that Wolverine is and the star that Spider-Man is.
>
> Personally, I'd love to see that. As it is, I get the feeling she's going to continue to be the joke of the Marvel Universe.
>
> I was never a big Tigra fan, but this just isn't right ....


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Son of Hulk




I have to agree with alot of the points made about Tigra. She is out of character. Unfortunately the only thing I can think of is that she's a Skrull! Well, a Skrull who scares easily!

Tigra is a disposable character that it makes sense that she is a Skrull. But you know what they say about assuming.


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Raz




> I have to agree with alot of the points made about Tigra. She is out of character. Unfortunately the only thing I can think of is that she's a Skrull! Well, a Skrull who scares easily!
>
> Tigra is a disposable character that it makes sense that she is a Skrull. But you know what they say about assuming.

OH GOD I hope she's a skrull...that would be such a relief. While we're at it, can we make Hawkeye, Wanda, Hank Pym, Quicksilver and a lot of other old-school Avengers skrulls as well?

I am a big Tigra fan from her West Coast Avengers days, and she never gets any respect....I don't expect her to be the equal of Wolverine but she should be able to hold her own better than she has been lately.

If I were to compare Tigra to other Avengers in terms of combat prowess, I would say she'd be on par with the Black Widow or Jessica Drew....those two women get treated with respect, I don't see why Tigra doesn't.


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Jerry W. Loper




> > I have to agree with alot of the points made about Tigra. She is out of character. Unfortunately the only thing I can think of is that she's a Skrull! Well, a Skrull who scares easily!
> >
> > Tigra is a disposable character that it makes sense that she is a Skrull. But you know what they say about assuming.
>
> OH GOD I hope she's a skrull...that would be such a relief. While we're at it, can we make Hawkeye, Wanda, Hank Pym, Quicksilver and a lot of other old-school Avengers skrulls as well?
>
> I am a big Tigra fan from her West Coast Avengers days, and she never gets any respect....I don't expect her to be the equal of Wolverine but she should be able to hold her own better than she has been lately.
>
> If I were to compare Tigra to other Avengers in terms of combat prowess, I would say she'd be on par with the Black Widow or Jessica Drew....those two women get treated with respect, I don't see why Tigra doesn't.

Tigra's one of my 2 favorite characters, the other being the Thing. Maybe I have a thing for orange superheroes with 5-letter names that start with a T. I've been a fan since her Marvel Chillers days back in the mid-1970's. Actually, back in the mid-1970's, a fight between her and Wolverine would have been interesting because both got respect back then; of course, nowadays, such a fight would be ugly because Wolverine's vastly overrated. (I've seen him survive being dropped in a vat of molten metal and having all his flesh burned off.) As for HTH fighting skills, in all honesty I'd put Tigra more on a par with Hellcat, Silver Sable, Mockingbird, and Black Cat than Black Widow (who IMO is 1 tier higher), but of course on top of the skill Tigra has near-Spidey physical stats, strength, agility, speed, etc.


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MysteryMan





> This isn't the only way her name has been drug through the mud. In Mighty Avengers and Initiative she is dating Hank Pym. Nothing's wrong with that, but the implication is that she's a sex-crazed floozy. C'mon, even She-Hulk's gotten past that label.

They have history together, they were an item during the West Coast days.


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Squish!




>As for HTH fighting skills, in all honesty I'd put Tigra more on a par with Hellcat, Silver Sable, Mockingbird, and Black Cat than Black Widow (who IMO is 1 tier higher), but of course on top of the skill Tigra has near-Spidey physical stats, strength, agility, speed, etc.

Tigra is in a class well beyond Mockingbird, Silver Sable, Hellcat, etc. She's not just a human acrobat in a bikini...She has enhanced animal-like senses at least on par with Black Panther and probably as keen as Wolverine's. SHe has SUPER strength, not just olympic level or peak-human strength and dexterity. She can also run at least 70mph..she's quick, stealthy, has claws which can slash through metal...And don't forget: she has empathic sensitivity too. Not to mention all the enhancements which resulted from her training before she became The Cat (photographic memory, etc.)

Why does she wear the bikini?? It's too tempting to blame her and claim she's a "floozy". No...the sad fact is it's the writers/artists/editors at Marvel who keep her in a bikini and then diss her character. Look at all the guys who used to wear speedos: ROBIN, THE BEAST, NAMOR, THE THING, etc...now they all wear spandex shorts or other gear more appropriate for combat. But not Tigra...why? 'She's hot dude it and more fun to draw and see her running around in a thong' It's pure sexism.

They should give the lady a break and deck her out in something much more appropriate - then maybe other talent and the readership will at least start to take her seriously.


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Brand Echh




>
> > This isn't the only way her name has been drug through the mud. In Mighty Avengers and Initiative she is dating Hank Pym. Nothing's wrong with that, but the implication is that she's a sex-crazed floozy. C'mon, even She-Hulk's gotten past that label.
>
> They have history together, they were an item during the West Coast days.

That's what I said, there's nothing wrong with them dating.


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MysteryMan




> >
> > > This isn't the only way her name has been drug through the mud. In Mighty Avengers and Initiative she is dating Hank Pym. Nothing's wrong with that, but the implication is that she's a sex-crazed floozy. C'mon, even She-Hulk's gotten past that label.
> >
> > They have history together, they were an item during the West Coast days.
>
> That's what I said, there's nothing wrong with them dating.

I agree though that I find it annoying the Hood can do much to her.

With her speed/strength/reflexes and senses she should be almsot Spiderman level in her response to him popping up...i.e. kick his butt for trying.

Instead she seems to be moving in slow motion whenever he shows up.


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Jerry W. Loper





> They should give the lady a break and deck her out in something much more appropriate - then maybe other talent and the readership will at least start to take her seriously.

Tigra's always worn a bikini, including in the 1970's Marvel Chillers comics. I never had a problem with her costume, but with the way that writers treated her from the 1980's up to today with some writers. Since she's such a visual character, it makes sense her costume shows her fur. Though I must admit, many years ago, I designed a 1-piece costume for her.


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Squish!




>
> > They should give the lady a break and deck her out in something much more appropriate - then maybe other talent and the readership will at least start to take her seriously.
>
> Tigra's always worn a bikini, including in the 1970's Marvel Chillers comics. I never had a problem with her costume, but with the way that writers treated her from the 1980's up to today with some writers. Since she's such a visual character, it makes sense her costume shows her fur. Though I must admit, many years ago, I designed a 1-piece costume for her.

...a one-piece would be the way to go (it's what Shulkie, Ms. M, Wanda, etc. wear after all) because it's less revealing, offers more protection, is more appropriate (relativley) while still showcasing her unique visual characteristics: Orange stripped fur!


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