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great movie, great charecters, great weddon

so what bothered me?

the hulk was the best hulk to ever grace a film
tho and iron man great
black widow fantastic
BUT

i hates cap's costume
it just didn't fit in the movie
too bright and the mask just looked wrong
maby a darker blue could help

hawkeye was mabe green arrow but not the kocky smart ass clint we know and loved

other then that - loved it


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case




yes my wife said the same thing about caps uniform except he looked alot smaller in it it was like spandex not like in the captain america movie!


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Punk Funk & Junk




Overall I enjoyed the movie, but there are three main problems as I see it:

1. Hawkeye was a piece of wood, no development of the character at all. The other characters got at least one scene that show their depth. Hawkeye got zip and for that, I didn't care or feel anything for the character.

2. This movie picks up soon after Cap's defrosting and there's not one bit of 'man out of time' syndrome. I think Joss Whedon dropped the ball with Cap because after being revived, the out-of-time aspect of his character is what makes him interesting at this point. There was no indication of any inner struggle except for a seconds long montage in the beginning. For a great story about Cap's personal struggle with lost time, I suggest reading Mark Waid's Captain America: Man Out Of Time.

3. The movie lacked tension because there was no visual indication of what Loki was planning other that claiming to have an army. We have no clue what's coming until the portal pens and the alien race comes through for the climax. It was hard to care about what might happen to the world and our heroes when we're so in the dark about what's coming.


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    Overall I enjoyed the movie, but there are three main problems as I see it:



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    1. Hawkeye was a piece of wood, no development of the character at all. The other characters got at least one scene that show their depth. Hawkeye got zip and for that, I didn't care or feel anything for the character.


Yeah, he got very little development while he was in his own mind.


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    2. This movie picks up soon after Cap's defrosting and there's not one bit of 'man out of time' syndrome. I think Joss Whedon dropped the ball with Cap because after being revived, the out-of-time aspect of his character is what makes him interesting at this point. There was no indication of any inner struggle except for a seconds long montage in the beginning. For a great story about Cap's personal struggle with lost time, I suggest reading Mark Waid's Captain America: Man Out Of Time.


There was a bit, (it was just a bit, but enough for an Avengers movie). Like the only reference he got for a while was "flying monkeys" In any case, that's a subject better explored in a Cap solo movie.


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    3. The movie lacked tension because there was no visual indication of what Loki was planning other that claiming to have an army. We have no clue what's coming until the portal pens and the alien race comes through for the climax. It was hard to care about what might happen to the world and our heroes when we're so in the dark about what's coming.


Naw, from all the trailers I had seen, I had a pretty good idea about what was to come.






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    Overall I enjoyed the movie, but there are three main problems as I see it:



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    1. Hawkeye was a piece of wood, no development of the character at all. The other characters got at least one scene that show their depth. Hawkeye got zip and for that, I didn't care or feel anything for the character.


Hawkeye was a lot like the female love interest is in a lot of movies: he was just there to be put in the refrigerator to motivate an actual main-character. I doubt many would have even noticed how thin his characterization was if he had been female. I didn't really mind because I liked Black Widow. That he was just a plot-device in her story didn't detract from that imo.




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    2. This movie picks up soon after Cap's defrosting and there's not one bit of 'man out of time' syndrome. I think Joss Whedon dropped the ball with Cap because after being revived, the out-of-time aspect of his character is what makes him interesting at this point. There was no indication of any inner struggle except for a seconds long montage in the beginning. For a great story about Cap's personal struggle with lost time, I suggest reading Mark Waid's Captain America: Man Out Of Time.


In a way they did, by making him overly trusting of Fury, his superior officer. Cap comes from a simpler time when soldiers trusted their superiors more unquestioningly. Indeed, his journey from an overly trusting Good Soldier type into someone who looked at the world with eyes open enough to become a leader himself was what his story-arc was about. I found that a much cleverer way to go than simply having him angst about missing a bunch of history.







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      2. This movie picks up soon after Cap's defrosting and there's not one bit of 'man out of time' syndrome. I think Joss Whedon dropped the ball with Cap because after being revived, the out-of-time aspect of his character is what makes him interesting at this point. There was no indication of any inner struggle except for a seconds long montage in the beginning. For a great story about Cap's personal struggle with lost time, I suggest reading Mark Waid's Captain America: Man Out Of Time.



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    There was a bit, (it was just a bit, but enough for an Avengers movie). Like the only reference he got for a while was "flying monkeys" In any case, that's a subject better explored in a Cap solo movie.


There was also the bit about paying Fury $10 if he saw something unexpected... but yes, there wasn't a lot about the man out of time idea. I'm thinking this will be in CA 2.


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      3. The movie lacked tension because there was no visual indication of what Loki was planning other that claiming to have an army. We have no clue what's coming until the portal pens and the alien race comes through for the climax. It was hard to care about what might happen to the world and our heroes when we're so in the dark about what's coming.


There was the scene where Loki was being threatened and one of the big monsters is shown slithering around in the background... I thought that built some tension.




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    3. The movie lacked tension because there was no visual indication of what Loki was planning other that claiming to have an army. We have no clue what's coming until the portal pens and the alien race comes through for the climax. It was hard to care about what might happen to the world and our heroes when we're so in the dark about what's coming.


For some that is the tension. You don't know what is coming so it could be anything. There could be millions Cthuari coming through. They could have tanks, ships, who knows what.



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