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So, of course, as soon as the movie was over, my friend and I were speculating about the sequel.

Who do we think will be on the Avengers in the second movie? A lot of it has to do with who the villian(s) is/are, but we can take some guesses, can't we?

1) Iron Man - A shoe in unless RDJ starts re-negotiating, or just gets tired of playing Stark.

2) Thor - PROBABLY a shoe in (with above caveats).

3) Pym & Wasp - I'd say our strongest contenders for Avengers 2 or Avengers 3. They bring Ultron with them. Which ID for Pym? I'd bet we get at least an Ant-Man cameo, even if in flashback format.

4) Hulk - It's hard for me to imagine them selling an Avengers movie without any of the (movieverse) "Big 4".

5) Captain America - shoe-in.

6) Hawkeye - I'm seeing Bre'r Hawkeye taking a leave of absence to make room for some new faces. He's pretty well expended his bag of tricks, he doesn't offer much in the way of personality, he's gone.

7) Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch - They belong to the X-movies, don't they?

8) Swordsman - possible, but unlikely. I can't see it being pulled off in the movies the same way exploding arrows were.

9) Hercules - I really don't think they'll layer Greek mythology over Norse in the movieverse.

10) Black Panther - maybe. They could bring in Klaw and/or Man-Ape. Keep it grounded on planet Earth and get away from aliens for a bit, but could keep Thanos in the background with something Vibranium related...

11) Vision - Almost inevitable for second or third movie. Bringing in Pym brings in Ultron brings in Vision, brings in the personal component to the conflict, which the Avengers are lacking with almost every other villian.

12) Black Knight - magic sword? Owner is suddenly (or happens to be) Olympic-class athlete/scientist/swordsman? Possible because his origins are straightforward enough to be brought into an ensemble movie like this, but not likely, in my opinion.

13) Black Widow - maybe still around, to keep some Estrogen on the team, but I can see her bailing with Hawkeye.

14) Mantis - kind of possible with Thanos lurking. They could do a Priests of Pama thing, which was why Thanos was interested in Earth to begin with...

15) Beast - X-movies.

16) Moondragon - see Mantis, although we'll probably bypass the whole Madame MacEvil phase...

17) Hellcat - I could see the name being used, but the yellow costume isn't happening. Maybe she stumbles upon the magic cat suit by accident or something. Not a strong possibility.

18) Two-Gun Kid - I suppose of Kang came around (unlikely after Loki stole his basic modus operandi), Two Gun could get involved somehow, but otherwise not happening.

19) Wonder Man - I would think he'd be a strong possibility of they did a "Masters of Evil" storyline in movie #2 or #3, but I think EVERY casual fan would be asking "Isn't it supposed to be Wonder WOMAN?", and I think that's enough to scare off the movie execs.

20) Ms. Marvel - another poster wondered if her costume had been "movie-ized", and I have to admit it certainly looks like it. Possible, I suppose, but I would think they'd go with the original Captain Marvel instead.

21) Falcon - not impossible. Wondering what he'd bring to the table that Iron Man doesn't...

22) Tigra - kind of doubt that "Cat People" or "cat demons" would be a major focus of a sequel, so...probably not. They'd also have to figure out how to put her in a costume...

23) She-Hulk - not as crazy as it sounds. They need more estrogen.

24) Photon/Pulsar/Captain Marvel2 - simple, straight forward origin, unique powers, brings some diversity to the team. If I were in on the meetings, I'd be bringing her name up all over the place.

25) Starfox - related to Thanos, but no. Not without a major overhaul, and probable jettisoning of the Eternals anyway...

26) Namor - strong possibility, especially in his black suit. New power-set, new, uncomplicated origins. New environment for the Avengers to explore...

27) Dr. Druid - This could actually work. Sent in as a trojan horse, or truly just an egomaniac who tries to take over the team. They tried to play up some manipulation/influence with Loki a bit with the first movie, but it came off subtle enough that I think they could try again...

28) Mockingbird - not happening. She'd be "the Black Widow that uses the sticks"

29) Rhodey - probably no. Dilutes the Iron Man idea.

30) Thing - F4 contracts. so, no.

31) Moon Knight - nope. He barely works on the team in the comics...

32) Firebird - another one that could work a bit if you think about it. Straightforward origin. (kind of. If she sticks with the "God did it" thing, they could play some tension between she and Thor, the way Busiek did) minority status, powers unique to the team.

33) D-Man - probably not. I suppose maybe a Power Broker thing could work, but probably not.

34) Gilgamesh - Bring in the Eternals? no way.

35) Mr. Fantastic & Invisible Woman - F4 movies.

36) USAgent - again, possible if they went with a Power Broker set up, but he's an almost definite no, unless it's as a pawn of the Big Bad. Maybe he could fill the Wonder Man role...

37) Quasar - "How come they've got a Yellow Lantern on the team?" Nope.

38) Original Torch - nope. He had a cameo in Captain America, but that's as far as it's going, I'm afraid.

39) Sersi - Too overpowered. They'd have to de-power her and take away her Eternals origin. Probably no.

40) Stingray - not a bad choice if they went with a Namor/Atlantis story, but he's too limited otherwise.

41) Spider-Man. Maybe if Marvel ever got their hands on his movie rights again...

42) Sandman - not EVEN if they got their hands on his movie rights...

43) Rage - I wish he was better known, because he'd work in an ensemble movie. Simple origin, minority status. A hook as secretly being a kid (or we could mash him up with Cage...).

44) Machine Man - Nope. They'll do Vision at some point.

45) Spider-Woman (either one) - Could they, even if they wanted to? I'd imagine those rights travel with Spider-Man's.

46) Crystal - MAAAAYBE, with an Inhumans war with Thanos or something. Probably not.

47) Thunderstrike - nope. Original or nothing.

48) - Darkhawk - He'd work for many of the reasons Rage would, but no...

49) Justice & Firestar - do the X-movies own ALL mutants? probably.

50) Triathlon - Triune Understanding plot? Doesn't make sense for a second movie. MAYBE a third, once the Avengers are establishment.

51) Silverclaw - could work. Gotta loose the pigtails.

52) Jack of Hearts - nope. No way that costume plays on film, and the dude is just an excuse for that costume to exist.

53) Ant-Man (Lang) - remote possibility. Without Pym there's no Ultron, and surely we'll get Ultron at some point...? So Pym would have to be there first, and be there as Giant Man or Goliath. Seems like more trouble than it's worth to bring in Lang.

54) Captain Britian (Kelsey) - I can't even imagine...

55) Cage - he could work, but I'm sure they're saving him for his own film or a team up with Iron Fist.

56) Wolverine - X-movies.

57) Sentry - "How come Superman is blonde and crazy?"

58) Echo - I don't even really know who she is...

59) Ares - see Hercules. Layering Greek gods over Norse? Too much for movie-fans.

60) Cho - not without Herc.

61) Stature & Vision2 - too much backstory.

62) Jocasta - probably not. If (when) we get Pym/Ultron/Vision, we're going to see a morose, alone Vision. Not one with a femal analogue...

From here we go into Secret Avengers & Shattered Heroes (Whatever that is), and stuff I don't read, so I'll stop. But if anyone feels passionately about Prince of Orphans joining the Movie-verse Avengers, chime on in!


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Ragnarok




Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Hawkeye, and Black Widow.


Seriously though, the team only came together in the final half of the movie. Why change everything and go down the same path of failure so many other comic book sequels have done by bringing in unnecessary new characters? There is still a lot to do with these characters and their relationships. Heck, Hawkeye didn't even get a chance to call Cap Methuselah!


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Oberm




I think the newcomers can bring in a new perspective to introduce the avengers in a sequel whether in 2 or 3. As the newcomers they can remind the audience of who the heroes are. As a new warrior fan , that would be cool if justice and firestar does that sort of avengers interns. But of course the witch and quickie deserve to be in that spotlight to be in the movie.


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DCR


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    4) Hulk - It's hard for me to imagine them selling an Avengers movie without any of the (movieverse) "Big 4".


I'd be happy if they introduce She Hulk or Red Hulk in the next Hulk movie and use them instead of Hulk.


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    10) Black Panther - maybe. They could bring in Klaw and/or Man-Ape. Keep it grounded on planet Earth and get away from aliens for a bit, but could keep Thanos in the background with something Vibranium related...


They would have to bring him in another movie. I'd rather have Shuri instead of T'Challa.


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    21) Falcon - not impossible. Wondering what he'd bring to the table that Iron Man doesn't...


He is the most likely to appear. The team will need some racial diversity and Falcon will probably be inroduced in Captain America 2. Also he is just a dude with artificial wings, so they don't have to spend time explaining how he got his powers.


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    34) Gilgamesh - Bring in the Eternals? no way.


They could be in a 2d Thor Movie. But I don't see any of them in an Avengers movie, although Sersi would be awesome.

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    53) Ant-Man (Lang) - remote possibility. Without Pym there's no Ultron, and surely we'll get Ultron at some point...? So Pym would have to be there first, and be there as Giant Man or Goliath. Seems like more trouble than it's worth to bring in Lang.


They need Pym, but they don't need him to be Ant-Man. He can just be the scientist who developps the suit and then Ultron.
As Ant-Man, I'd love to see Eric O'Grady but unfortunately, Marvel is the House of Past, so that's not gonna happen.


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    From here we go into Secret Avengers & Shattered Heroes (Whatever that is), and stuff I don't read, so I'll stop. But if anyone feels passionately about Prince of Orphans joining the Movie-verse Avengers, chime on in!


The Skrulls are from another dimension, so the Krees may be so.
A Kree from another dimension? Noh Varr! Way more interesting than Mar Vell.


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Reverend Meteor


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Gilgamesh




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Raz




I think the most likely choices would be -

Black Panther and Carol Danvers (whatever name they decide to go with for her)

I would LOVE to see Hank and Jan, but I am kind of inclined to think they might be more likely to actually join the team maybe along with Vision in A3...I think they really should have a major focus with an Ultron story and not just be on the team 'just cuz'

I think some off-beat but could-work choices would be -

Falcon - amp up his fighting skills to make him really kickass, give him a friendship with Cap that the others don't have and I can see Redwing swooping in for some cool last-minute save/distraction kind of moves

Mantis - her martial arts make her perfect for amazing fight scenes, and the powers she has are generally subtle enough so as not to require too much suspension of disbelief

Monica Rambeau - I could see her as a SHIELD agent really easily, and her powers would be FREAKIN' AMAZING in a superhero movie!!!

Mar-Vell - weird choice, but could totally see them going that route, even if it's just for him to sacrifice himself at the end of the film to save the day

She-Hulk - I would LOVE to see Shulkie in a movie. I don't know if they would go with two Hulks in a team, but I think she'd have awesome chemistry with the Robert Downey JR Tony Stark \:\)


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    Black Panther and Carol Danvers (whatever name they decide to go with for her)



I don't think they will have Black Panther. At least not unless he has his own movie come out first. There are a lot of stupid over reactionary white people who will take umbrage with a potentially blockbuster movie coming out with a character with that codename and a big deal will be made out of it by crazed right wing nutjobs who won't listen to logic.

If they test the waters first with a Black Panther movie and no controversy comes out of it then it should be fine to include Black Panther in an Avengers movie. I don't think they would risk the money they stand to make with the sequel of such a high performing movie as Avengers with a character that could lead to a distracting and unintentional controversy about the Black Panther Party.



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    I would LOVE to see Hank and Jan, but I am kind of inclined to think they might be more likely to actually join the team maybe along with Vision in A3...I think they really should have a major focus with an Ultron story and not just be on the team 'just cuz'


I only want wife beater Hank. As a character in his own right he's boring. As a horribly written one time wife beater he was at least interesting.



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    Falcon - amp up his fighting skills to make him really kickass, give him a friendship with Cap that the others don't have and I can see Redwing swooping in for some cool last-minute save/distraction kind of moves


Falcon I could see in the movie. If Black Panther can't be in the sequel then Falcon should be. They need at least one black member for diversity.



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    Mantis - her martial arts make her perfect for amazing fight scenes, and the powers she has are generally subtle enough so as not to require too much suspension of disbelief


Yuk. And the whole movie she would be saying "this one" all the time instead of saying "I" or "me". And she already has the stereotypical Asian martial arts master thing going on. Pass.



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    Monica Rambeau - I could see her as a SHIELD agent really easily, and her powers would be FREAKIN' AMAZING in a superhero movie!!!


But she's as dull as dish water. I know this is an unpopular opinion but to me Monica Rambeau is the epitome of boring. Why? Because they have tried to make her such a positive role model for black females they never gave her any interesting faults. Seriously she's just too perfect to do anything interesting with.

To me more than any other character at Marvel Monica represents positive discrimination. In a wonderful effort to never make her into a bad ethnic stereotype they forgot to make her a compelling character. She's just there as the nice hyper competent black woman whose never done anything to anger everyone as far as I can tell.

Storm may not be the best example with her blue eyes and asian features but she at least is a complex black female character with layers to her.


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    Mar-Vell - weird choice, but could totally see them going that route, even if it's just for him to sacrifice himself at the end of the film to save the day



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    She-Hulk - I would LOVE to see Shulkie in a movie. I don't know if they would go with two Hulks in a team, but I think she'd have awesome chemistry with the Robert Downey JR Tony Stark \:\)







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Battle Wizard




if they bring in Luke Cage, they can loop in Danny Rand (Iron Fist) as a martial artist with respected Super Powers.

Expanding the Avengers cast to include another 3-5 characters would mean they need some on-screen time to introduce them properly to movie-viewers who aren't comic book readers. Therefore setting up those introductions require a minimum of plausible on-screen time so that the movie can develop properly.

Ms. Marvel can be shown being recruited via Shield operatives.

She-Hulk can be recruited via a genuine need for her lawyer alter ego due to the Avengers being sued by city hall for all the rampant destruction they cause everywhere they go. One of the villains can be seen using their alter-ego filing a law-suit in court or approaching Congress with a huge destruction of property assessment and demanding accountability. That's where Nick Fury brings her in & works his recruitment mojo on her at the same time. They could totally play up her sexual appetite angle if they must, remember, she's had sexual hook-ups with many over the years such as Hercules, Starfox, Iron Man, Juggernaut, etc... It's one of the reasons WHY she's the Sensational She-Hulk.

Black Panther can be worked in via an appearance on the next Capt. America movie if it comes out before the next Avengers movie.

Luke Cage & Iron Fist would be a great duo to recruit simultaneously to the team, and it fills both the diversity issue as well as the martial artist with super-powers need. EVERYBODY likes seeing a martial artist do their thing, and once they see Rand can use super-powers then it will fit in well with a movie full of super-powered heros/villains.

Namor is another choice as he's a mainstay throughout the years. If you had someone like "The Rock" in the role you'd cover your ethnicity bases, you'd have a strong-man who's capable of matching Hulk/Thor briefly in a fight, he has flight, strength, and any fire-hydrant in the city can be kicked over to "refresh" him during battle if he's shown to become tired. I think this is a really good option as it covers several needs if the right actor is cast for the role.

I also like the idea of an "infiltrator" for the bad-guys amongst the Avengers that the team has to spend some time trying to smoke out.




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    So, of course, as soon as the movie was over, my friend and I were speculating about the sequel.



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    Who do we think will be on the Avengers in the second movie? A lot of it has to do with who the villian(s) is/are, but we can take some guesses, can't we?


Percentage are just made up and not meant to be exact.

Captain America and Iron Man are there for sure (100%). Slightly less of a chance that Thor returns (90%), but I would still predict that he does. Slightly smaller chance that the Hulk doesn't return (80%).

Hawkeye and Black Widow maybe gone (60%). I really expect them to do a SHIELD spinoff movie starring those two characters. The story is there, the movie would be cheaper to film, and it would do well. Throw in a couple of other Avengers characters (War Machine, Mockingbird) and you got a black ops team. Apparently Remner didn't get paid that much for his Avengers role, and he can justify demanding more money than Marvel will pay.

Fury (30%). Just don't see him coming back if the Avengers are going to operate without SHIELD. Leave him to a SHIELD movie.

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Ant-Man and the Wasp make the most sense (75%). Assuming that an Ant-Man movie would be out by the time the second Avengers movie comes along, it would be strage that Marvel's next solo movie hero isn't in the Avengers, especially when those characters are so strongly connected to the team. Ant-Man/Giant-Man is a great visual and something that we've never really seen in modern cinema. The Wasp also gives you the ability to have another female cast member, and maybe even an hispanic or asian one as well.

Falcon (50%) gives them an ethnic character outside of Fury. Can easily be introduced as Captain America's sidekick/partner in that movie's sequel. I see him as being a SHIELD agent assigned to watching over Cap, hence the flying ability.

Ms. Marvel (30%) gives the film another female and a great visual. The problem with the character is that she may work better in a Captain Marvel film first, and there's no reason to beleive we are getting that movie anytime soon. The possiblity does exist for Marvel to give her an origin outside of Mar-vell, and she does work as another SHIELD agent. Similarly, I'd give Mar-vell a chance (30%) to appear as well.

Black Panther (30%). The character would work better first in a solo movie, then joining the Avengers. It's hard to see Marvel skipping his movie origin all together or even giving it 30 minutes in an Avengers movie.

Vision (20%). Doesn't really bring anything interesting to the table. Is basically male and has no race. With Vision you really need Pym and Ultron, and that's alot to bring into one movie.


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zeus


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See, I think the Pym/Vision/Ultron story is inevitable for Avengers 2 or 3. There just isn't another Avengers villain with the same personal connection to the team.

You want Avengers agnst? Pym's your man.


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I don't think it's inevitable, as there's a possibility we won't see the Pym/Ultron story line in any Avengers movie.

Pym/Ultron in the second Avengers movie would be a bit much and would take some time to develop the conflict plus whatever else they want to introduce in the film. The second Avengers movie would have to focus on the team, focus on individual characters, possibly focus on new members, focus on the villain, etc. The last part is troublesome if they have to develop the villain and develop the conflict in the same movie. The first movie was already long enough, and it already had established heroes, a villain, and a lot of the story in place.

I could see the second Avengers movie follow a similar path that the first one did. Bring the main characters back together (Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk), bring in some characters from other movies (Falcon from Captain America 2, Pym and Wasp from Ant-Man), and then setup the villain and conflict. I'd also expect them to set up some more of the cosmic stuff, such as Mar-vell and Ms. Marvel, leading to either a cosmic-focused Avengers 3 or even to place more focus on some of their cosmic properties like Nova or Guardians of the Galaxy.

One thing I was disappointed with in the Avengers movie is that it didn't set up any other properties or movies. Lots of characters could have had a 5 minute scene as a SHIELD agents such as the Pyms, Falcon, Danvers, Wendall Vaughn, and many others. The only real hint we got for the future was "Phase Two", supposedly a tech based initiative at SHIELD, possibly hinting at the Ant-Man movie. But perhaps due to the idea that Iron Man 2 was "too inclusive" Marvel wanted to focus more on the movie itself and not setting up other things.


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    Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Hawkeye, and Black Widow.



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    Seriously though, the team only came together in the final half of the movie. Why change everything and go down the same path of failure so many other comic book sequels have done by bringing in unnecessary new characters? There is still a lot to do with these characters and their relationships. Heck, Hawkeye didn't even get a chance to call Cap Methuselah!


Agree. I think they could add another character, but why complicate things to much. The dynamic between the team is what made the movie in the end, so different personalities coming together to save the day in the end. And it was great.

New characters mean that they have to be introduced and less time for the other characters to be in the movie. I do not dislike the idea of some others being involved I just think at best it will be one or two new characters. And even then I think it will be to the detriment of some of the characters already on the team. I would be happy if they just kept the same team around and kept working with them.




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omniac


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I'm probably in the minority, but I think these 6 characters are sufficient. They don't need to add anyone else. It's not as though we've learned everything we need to know about them and how they interact with one another after only one movie.

Two warriors, one out of time, the other out of space, each representing the best of their species.

Two scientists, one full of confidence and totally comfortable with who he is, the other shy and having to maintain control the beast within.

Two spies who happen to be all too flawed and human.

Cheers,
Neil


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