Quick reactions to compare if you read along with the issue. The 'hmmm' lean toward the bad (ie not crazy about it) but could be swayed with proper exposition next ish...

Secret Avengers #27

Good: Grabber cover.

Good: Reading order footnote. [Though poor Event organization kinda negates the props.]

Good: Referencing Death of Captain Marvel. So, it seems clear IT IS the spirit of Mar-Vell back.

Hmmm: Kree-Priest's mind tampering to explain how she lusts and Noh bows. [Wish they would name the guy.]

Hmmm: So, Rhodey still critical and Avengers 26, read before the warning, spoils he will be fine and so will the Quinjet ruining any drama.

Bad: Thor gives CB a good buck up speech at the expense of the showing him as ridiculous wimpy, selfdoubting novice.

Bad: Art is only servicable.

Good: Avengers assume CM an impostor.

Hmmm: 17,000 dimensional perception streams is a neat detail. Seems a power up for how Cosmic Awareness is processed - good or bad.

Hmmm: CM beats Vizh. Kree-Priest's rebirthing process explains it?

Bad: MsM beats Val in 1. Not to mention Val is only here for 1 punch.

Bad: Brainwashed out to kill SA ends up rescuing 'em. Protector carries Rhodey oddly. We must assume that Quinjet defenses were online when CM fires it 'cuz how else does the 3 left behind (why only the 3) survive an exploding ship.

Hmmm: Again with the stunted racial progeny problems? Wasn't that once resolved already? Has Supremor been smoking with Cyclops? He is convinced PF can be harnassed to jumpstart a race?

Good: New Vizh has an upgraded transmission-manipulator installed (by WHOMEVER, but that's another nit).

Good: Funny bit by Rhodey assessing his sitch.

Bad: PF can jumpstart a race but only make cancer cells inert?!

Bad: Lopsided glasses. (Though it could be a unique Kree design.)

Bad: She listened to the tape a thousand times. She listened to the tape a hundred times. Make up your mind. (And change the channel - its hard to believe she was obsessed with the lust for a deadman back when Kree-Priest's mind tampering wasn't an excuse for her newfound love of Captain Marvel. Maybe that's why she choses that particular codename! )

Hmmm: Kree-Priest's is not smiling or frowning when they kiss - either would have been preferable in that panel.

Hmmm: Unclear how Kree-Priest diverted the PF. Unclear how Vizh expects tampering with the mind-tampering would affect the PF course.

Bad: Unclear how PF is arriving HOURS behind the Quinjet!!

Good: Thor's resolve.

Good: Intro of Jal-Ha - moreso ifffff she is immediately significant.

Bad: CM only kinda hurts Vizh again.

Bad: CM survives a hammer to the face.

Bad: Thor is (debatably) brutal here.

Hmmm: CM SUDDENLY beats Thor. Kree-Priest's rebirthing process explains it?

Good: CM finally starts to smarten up - but is it too late?

Go back and read the early issues of Marv's series, it looks like feelings were developing between them. Also her powers initially came from being exposed to the energies of the Kree Psyche Magnatron as Mar-Vell rescued her and his genetic imprint for lack of a better term was passed into her (minds out of gutter please, it was the machine energy that did it ) This gave her the powers she has/had as Ms. Marvel, basically Mar-Vell amped up. Then she is put into a coma by Rogue and if my memory is working right, she was in the coma when Marv died.

So it is part guilt that she wasn't there to comfort him as he fell ill and also perhaps some guilt that maybe her Mar-Vell altered DNA may have held a CURE. Also part love.

Avengers thinking CM an impostor makes sense given how he died and Captain SKRULL-Vell




Marv's Cosmic Awareness was never fully defined in his old series, anything in PAD's CM series with GENIS should be considered only to apply to Genis since he inherited the power but not the control and discipline that Marv had. I don't think he is amped up in terms of his awarenss, after all with his awareness he easily was defeating the Controller in his first fight as the Protector, was able to hold out against THANOS before Thanos used the cube to merge with the universe. Marv also divined how to stop THANOS by shattering the cube. Marv was later able to easily outfight and outmaneuver Drax when Drax was hunting Marv for killing Thanos instead of Drax. Basically I think of Cosmic Awareness for lack of a better comparison as having access to the Force. Marv can see anything and everything that is, will be or might be, but unlike his offspring he has control.




Yeah I have to call Marvel Comics out on this: HOW can you say that an entity that destroys living planets, gives life to dead planets can only make cancer cells INERT????? Also how are we defining INERT? Inert as in permanent remission? Or inert as in: SEEK TREATMENTS NOW WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A SECOND CHANCE???????? I have DoCM in my library and I lived the events live as it were back in 2009 when someone near and dear to me died from cancer, but I still want Marv back and I don't feel that bringing him back is a slap in the face to cancer and its victims. THIS IS THE PHOENIX FORCE MARVEL!!!!!!!!! It should have totally rejuvenated Marv and FRIED all cancer cells within him.

CM beating Vizh and THOR is possible with his awareness, also the full limits of Marv's photonic powers were never defined. The nega bands gave him 10 ton strength level, absorbing photonic energy added 5 tons to that for 15, but then comes cosmic awareness and Marv now fully understands his powers and limits.....and later in his series he fights Drax to a stalemate....the same Drax that is meant to kill THANOS.....


As to Supreme Intelligence wanting to stimulate the Kree race, as I recall a prior evolution had occurred to the Kree but it was basically retconned back to their Kirby classic evolution dead end state. Also this Supreme Intelligence as I understand it is a new one created from a seed left behind by the original that Ronan carried and he used two alternate Earth Reed Richards as its new brain core (see issues of FF). If such is the case it may be running on old memories or else it previously concluded the Phoenix could jumpstart the Kree....if it doesn't kill them all. Phoenix tends to destroy the living and recreate things......sounds like the Genesis bomb in Star Trek 2, eh?

"The Phoenix will be here in a matter of hours."

"Hours?" What is it doing? Sightseeing?

I can't stand it.

Still, I liked this issue.

She wasn't out of commission that long. She was back up and running with the X-Men in no-time. His death is around Uncanny X-Men #154. She just had no emotions for him by that time.



Don't forget Mar-Vell was going toe-to-toe with Thanos, as well. Vizh is lucky Mar-Vell didn't pull a She-Hulk.



Yeah. Apparently, Genis-Vell did away with the Ruul.

I would think that if she were back on her feet and had her memories of him she would have insisted on going to Titan to say goodbye to him, emotions not withstanding. I think she may still have been comatose at the time of his death but I am not positive.

Yes Marv has gone toe to toe with Thanos but at the time he knew he couldn't match Thanos' sheer brute power but he used his awareness, speed and reflexes to keep pummeling the Titan until he flew a little too low and too slow and then Thanos got the drop on him. After Thanos merged with the universe via the cube, Rick dared him to fight Marv again and Thanos took on corporeal form and wiped the floor with Marv.

Also it was stated back in the Wendell Vaughn Quasar series that the nega bands were the result of an attempt to replicate the quantum bands, so I suspect that Marv knows the full capacity of the bands and his powers thanks to Cosmic Awareness and he can tap energy to boost his strength to greater then the Handbook entry of 15 tons.

Also I did like how this story did show that Marv did NOT WANT TO COME BACK. That is in keeping with Cosmic Powers Unlimited 1 when Thanos used the Reality Gem to bring Marv back for a brief time. Marv stated to Thanos that he was resolved to being dead due to Thanos' coming to him in his last moments and showing him the way as it were.

Marv states that the power of the Phoenix is within him and that the cancer cells are rendered INERT and that he won't die from them......

....okay this is where I take serious umbrage as it were. To me that is the cop out/escape valve of the story to send him back to the death. Withdraw the Phoenix energy from him and he will die, and quite likely he will die immediately. To me it is totally ILLOGICAL that a being that can kill planets and restore life cannot permanently fry cancer cells completely from Marv's body. This is just a cheap plot hole/macguffin to kill him again.

At least Marv is waking up from the mind control and realizing his errors in helping the Kree. Currently his mindset is of his old Kree military days due to the mind control, now the Marv that we all remember after he became the Protector is emerging.

However solicits I read for ish 28 strongly imply that death is coming.....so long again, Marv? Hope not. There is no excuse for killing him again. Let him retire happily to Titan and be with Elysius and start a family of his own. That would be the best way to get Genis back, perhaps?

This is confusing. First, Carol was back on her feet by the end of Avengers Annual 10. This is before Tigra joined, so this is before Marvel's death. Carol also appears in Uncanny X-Men 150, which is before where Scott rejoins the X-Men, which is before Marvel's death.
The confusing part comes in Marvel Fanfare 24. Logan and Carol go to a poker game at Avengers Mansion. Monica Rambeau shows up, who is calling herself Captain Marvel at the time, and Carol makes a joke about Mar-Vell and is shocked to find that he's dead.
This raises several questions. First, the X-Men were at Mar-Vell's funeral- why didn't they tell Carol he was dead? Second, if Wolverine was hiding Mar-Vell's death from Carol for some reason, why didn't he realize that she might learn the truth when they went to Avengers Mansion? He should have known about Monica from news reports, and even if he didn't, one of the other Avengers might be there and offer Carol condolences on his death.

Michael

At the time, for her, Mar-Vell was just another guy, really. She had no emotional attachments to anyone in her memories. As we've seen, it was years and years before she even reconnected to her parents.

And even this is questionable. In Uncanny X-Men #153 or 154, Logan introduces himself to her. Despite the fact that they are old friends and comrades, she cannot recall him.

Yeah Carol's history is a bit messed up thanks to Rogue.

Also ironically I read that Carol was going to be the Phoenix but editorial nixed it and thus Jean became Phoenix. Claremont making Carol into Binary was a nod to the Phoenix.

Still back in the early issues of Marv's series, some feelings appeared to be developing but not explored, but when Marv's girlfriend Una observed how Marv was always saving Carol some jealousy began.

Carol loving Marv is not unexpected. That Marv would be loving her in this story however I would attribute to the brainwashing effect that is going on. Marv was very much in love with Elysius and wanted to have a family with her, those feelings wouldn't change.

I do sincerely hope that Marvel decides to man up as it were and keep Mar-Vell alive after this and retire him to Titan to live with Elysius.

Also in the name of humanity Mar-Vell if you survive this story PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have some surgery or therapy to PURGE THE INERT CANCER CELLS!!!!!!

Yeah. There's no doubt that she loved him once, and might now. But at that point in time, she was just incapable of any emotion.



The only reason anyone dies from cancer in the Marvel Universe is contrived stupidity.

Whoa there, chief.

It was not a contrived plot device at all that gave Marv the disease. Granted at the time it wasn't intended to give him cancer, but when it came time to kill Marv off as part of ending that era of Marvel Cosmic, Starlin wanted to do his new creator owned Metamorphosis Odyssey in Epic Illustrated Magazine.

The deal came down to this: write DoCM and he can then write his tale in Epic Illustrated.....which would lead to the popular DREADSTAR series.

DoCM was as I recall based on the fact that his dad perished from cancer. The nerve gas being the cause of the disease was simply a convenience so they didn't have to make up something else.

The problem though with DoCM is that it was a very mortal and final death and Marv goes into the light at the end. Marvel has been basically backed into a corner ever since: bring Marv back but in a way that doesn't cheapen how he died.

How many times have their been stories where the MU was basically wiped out and restarted? Genis did it. Marvel the End did it. Warlock altered reality in an attempt to repair some of the cosmic damage from ANnihilation/War of Kings and as a result became the Magus by restoring that timeline, yet Marv stays dead. Hercules restores the universe in Chaos War, but Marv remains dead. Thanos once tested the power of the reality gem by restoring Marv as a prelude to twisting the universe so that death would love him, but Marv talked him out of it as Thanos subconsciously planned. Marv also stated he is supposed to be dead and remain dead so Thanos sent him back. We see in SA 27 that Marv still wanted to be dead but was yanked back against his will by the Phoenix.
Until Marv wants to come back from the dead he will remain dead and I thoroughly believe that we will lose Marv again at the end of this story due to Marvel not having the backbone to keep him alive.

All attempts at replacing Marv have ultimately failed, Carol Danvers may be the exception but we'll see.

She/it doesn't go around resurrecting people.

If memory servers Phoenix Force revived Jean Grey in Phoenix Endsong.

Phoenix has revived Captain Mar-Vell, though the permanency of that revival is in question since Marvel hasn't had the guts to revive him for years now.

You may be right but I think they have been setting the stage for his return for a few years and this time it may happen.It would not be as Captain Marvel but I have a feeling he is going to play some roll after AVX.Marvel says they are setting the stage for the next ten years and Thanos will probably be in Avengers 2 so if they do it now is the time.I imagine Marvel feels his death has served its purpose and its time to cash in-err I mean bring him back in a significant,meaningful way. I would even guess if Carol doesnt sell as C.M. then he will be in that role within a year.

Well here's how I see it:

1. Marvel has had a hammerlock on the rights to publish a Captain Marvel book, regardless of who is CM.

2. As long as even a one shot special or mini series is produced within the appropriate time frames, the rights remain Marvel's.

3. Marvel refuses to release the rights as that opens the door for DC to get them and restore Captain Marvel/Shazam to his proper name of Captain Marvel.

4. Marvel has repeatedly failed to replace Mar-Vell on a permanent basis. The best two were Monica and then Genis. Phyla was turned into a joke, and Quasar was Mar_Vell's successor as the Protector of the Universe NOT successor to the CM name. Currently Quasar is still the Protector and that is fine. Monica was basically swept aside when they had her powers "short out" and then return in a new form.

5. Marvel was "Written into a corner" with how Mar-Vell died. He's been shown as being at peace and NOT WANTING to come back. Until he changes his mind he would have to be forced back by things like the Reality Gem, Cosmic Cube, Phoenix Force, etc. Coming back from a bomb, lazer blast, explosions, teleportation accidents, etc. is easier then death by natural causes/disease.

6. The cancer cells are "inert" by the Phoenix power in him....sounds like an "out" to me. Phoenix strips him of the phoenix energy in him and he dies again, probably immediately. To me this sounds like an "escape valve" to kill him quickly again at the end of this story. SA 28 solicits imply that someone dies....gee I wonder who?

7. THANOS is back in the Avengers Assemble books and that is due to the Avengers movie. How he is back in the comics after Thanos Imperative has yet to be revealed much less the fate of Richard Ryder and Starlord. But if THANOS is back, that gives them a reason to retain Mar-Vell as they are arch-enemies. Also with Thanos back that means Kronos can again revive Drax the Destroyer and the Magus is incubating in Knowhere so that leaves the door open for Adam Warlock to return later on.

I'm hoping that Marvel has developed enough of a backbone to go against any negative fan backlash about a cancer victim returning to life and keeps Mar-Vell around. Let Carol have the CM name and retire Mar-Vell to Titan where he can stay with Elysius and start a family....perhaps they name their first born son.....Genis?

Thus once Carol's CM series is cancelled, Mar-Vell is still around and when the time is right he returns as Captain Marvel.

I assume bringing him back would hamper their plans to make Carol the new Captain Marvel. No one would want her with that name if he was still around.

Reverend Meteor (way to steal Carol's thunder Marv)