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And I mean lame with a capital L. I've been reading up on their chronology on the Marvnuapp.com (Or something similar.) site, and boy, these guys are really threatening huh? They're, wait for it- racists. With like bats and sticks and other weapons. Wow. I don't see them giving the Avengers that tough of a time unless it's a really weak membership with like Rage and the Black Widow and none of the "A-Listers.". I can see where the racial hatred and the racial overtones might overlap, but these guys would be good for taking on a police force, and not the Avengers. G.I Joe, maybe.

Anyhow, there's an Avengers versus X-Men BATTLE going on right now, but what team-ups have these two had in the past? It seems like they are friendly with each other, but they only check in with each other on an as needed basis, or they all get together when the Marvel Universe is in danger and everybody has to work together to defeat the menace (Ie; Onslaught.). Oh by the by, I still don't buy Cap and Iron Man being friends after all of that Civil War stuff. Yes yes I know, status quo is God and all, but still, friendships end all the time.

I know that they had a crossover called Bloodties. That was the aftermath of Fatal Attractions, after Professor X had put Magneto in a coma. Didn't Fabian Cortez and Exodus kill a bunch of people? I remember reading some of it, and Exodus gave the team quite a hard time.

I know that the two of them fought over the fate of Magneto during the X-Men/Avengers mini-series. And I THINK (Never having really read the story.) that the two of them got together during that Phoenix Rising story where Jean Grey came back. When else have the two of them teamed up? I mean as a team. Oh also, did they know about Jean Grey's death? Was there ever any reaction to it? Surely they knew about it, and they were allies.


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Hank


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    And I mean lame with a capital L. I've been reading up on their chronology on the Marvnuapp.com (Or something similar.) site, and boy, these guys are really threatening huh? They're, wait for it- racists. With like bats and sticks and other weapons. Wow. I don't see them giving the Avengers that tough of a time unless it's a really weak membership with like Rage and the Black Widow and none of the "A-Listers.". I can see where the racial hatred and the racial overtones might overlap, but these guys would be good for taking on a police force, and not the Avengers. G.I Joe, maybe.



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    Anyhow, there's an Avengers versus X-Men BATTLE going on right now, but what team-ups have these two had in the past? It seems like they are friendly with each other, but they only check in with each other on an as needed basis, or they all get together when the Marvel Universe is in danger and everybody has to work together to defeat the menace (Ie; Onslaught.). Oh by the by, I still don't buy Cap and Iron Man being friends after all of that Civil War stuff. Yes yes I know, status quo is God and all, but still, friendships end all the time.



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    I know that they had a crossover called Bloodties. That was the aftermath of Fatal Attractions, after Professor X had put Magneto in a coma. Didn't Fabian Cortez and Exodus kill a bunch of people? I remember reading some of it, and Exodus gave the team quite a hard time.

Blood was really good. Cortez steals Luna Quicksilver's daughter with Crystal the Inhuman. Exodus shows up and takes on War Machine who he beats, and Sersi who believe it or not get the upper hand on. Exodus then beats Cortez and takes Luna. He takes her and plans to kill her for being an insult to Magneto (Luna is actually more human than any thing else since she was not born a mutant). Black knight winds up saving the day and realizes he remembers Exodus from some where. The Avengers also break off their UN ties due to their involvement in Genosha.


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    I know that the two of them fought over the fate of Magneto during the X-Men/Avengers mini-series. And I THINK (Never having really read the story.) that the two of them got together during that Phoenix Rising story where Jean Grey came back. When else have the two of them teamed up? I mean as a team. Oh also, did they know about Jean Grey's death? Was there ever any reaction to it? Surely they knew about it, and they were allies.

Yeah that was waaay back in the 80's Mags needed to appear infront of the World Court I believe. Mags joined the Xmen by this time, and they did not want to give him up. The Avengers go after him and then they also meet up with that old Soviet Super team that had Ursa Major and Dark Star in it (sorry I forgot the name). They all wind up have a pretty good fight with each other. If I remember right Mags said that all people were racist against Mutants. He uses some mutants powers to see if Cap was a racist, and sees that he wasn't, so he turns him self in. The court which turns out had a mutant on it wound up acquitting Mags, most likely due to the Mutant of the court.






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Michael





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    He uses some mutants powers to see if Cap was a racist, and sees that he wasn't, so he turns him self in. The court which turns out had a mutant on it wound up acquitting Mags, most likely due to the Mutant of the court.

Not quite- he used his helmet on Cap, which he had modified to give him psionic powers. He then learned that the court had a human bigot on it and used the helmet to purge the man's bigotry from his mind. The court wound up acquitting Magneto and Magneto was left wondering if the court would have reached the same decision if he hadn't tampered with the man's mind.

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It's too bad Our Lord Magneto doesn't just go around purging bigotry from people's minds.




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Michael





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    I know that the two of them fought over the fate of Magneto during the X-Men/Avengers mini-series. And I THINK (Never having really read the story.) that the two of them got together during that Phoenix Rising story where Jean Grey came back. When else have the two of them teamed up? I mean as a team. Oh also, did they know about Jean Grey's death? Was there ever any reaction to it? Surely they knew about it, and they were allies.


No, the X-Men didn't team up with the Avengers when Jean came back. What happened was this- the Avengers fished a cocoon out of the ocean that turned out to be Jean. Then Hercules, Cap, Reed, Sue and Jarvis investigated the mystery of Jean's return.Jarvis,Cap and Herc apparently didn't know about Jean's death- Cap had to find out by viewing a recording made by the Beast. Cap and Reed didn't want to return Jean to the X-Men since they didn't trust them because the X-Men were working with Magneto.
And no, Jean's death was not mentioned in the Avengers prior to this, aside from a brief mention during Jocasta's funeral where Beast thinks to himself that too many funerals had been held recently.
Anyway, here are some of the early X-Men/ Avengers encounters:
X-Men 9- their first meeting
Fantastic Four Annual 3- the X-Men, the Avengers and half the Marvel Universe vs. half the villains in the Marvel Universe at Reed and Sue's wedding
X-Men 53- the teams team up against Magneto
Avengers 110-111- the teams team up against Magneto again
Avengers Annual 10- the Avengers go to the X-Men's headquarters where Carol is recovering
Marvel Graphic Novel 1- the teams attend the funeral of Mar-Vell with half the Marvel Universe
Hulk 278-279- the teams are present at the pardon of the Hulk with half the Marvel Universe
Contest of Champions- the teams are present again with half the Marvel Universe
Secret Wars 1-12- the teams work together with half the Marvel Universe
Rom 65-66- the teams fight the Wraiths with half the Marvel Universe
Secret Wars II 9- the teams fight the Beyonder with half the Marvel Universe
X-Men vs. Avengers- the teams fight over Magneto's fate
Bloodties- the teams join together to fight Exodus and Cortez
As you might have noticed, most of the early encounters between the X-Men and the Avengers were on occasions where large numbers of Marvel heroes were gathered.

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    Blood was really good. Cortez steals Luna Quicksilver's daughter with Crystal the Inhuman. Exodus shows up and takes on War Machine who he beats, and Sersi who believe it or not get the upper hand on. Exodus then beats Cortez and takes Luna. He takes her and plans to kill her for being an insult to Magneto (Luna is actually more human than any thing else since she was not born a mutant). Black knight winds up saving the day and realizes he remembers Exodus from some where. The Avengers also break off their UN ties due to their involvement in Genosha.


Did they ever elaborate on the Black Knight's connection to Exodus?




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Century: Your Alien Hero




> Did they ever elaborate on the Black Knight's connection to Exodus?

Yes, in 1996 there was a Black Knight/Exodus one-shot that revealed it all; thanks to Dane's time-travelling antics in the body of his ancestor, they'd been knights in the Crusades together. Sickened by the slaughter of innocents, Exodus walked away from the war, only to end up being recruited by Apocalypse. Refusing to prove his loyalty by killing the Black Knight, he ended up being placed in suspended animation by Apocalypse, where he would remain until 1993.

They encountered each other again in 1998, in the Heroes for Hire/Quicksilver crossover "Siege of Wundagore", which left Dane wanting to find a way to help his former friend.


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Hank

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Thanks I need to re read that it's been over 20 years since that book saw the light of day.





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Methuselah

Cap & Wolverine



I remember one Cap/wolverine story where they were facing an extremely powerful robot of some kind. At the end Cap had to hammer Wolvie's claws into the robot with his shield to incapacitae it, relying on Logan's healing power but of course causingnhim intense pain.

Wish I could remember the comic and issue.


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Todd Arliss


Member Since: Mon Nov 09, 2009



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    And I mean lame with a capital L. I've been reading up on their chronology on the Marvnuapp.com (Or something similar.) site, and boy, these guys are really threatening huh? They're, wait for it- racists. With like bats and sticks and other weapons. Wow. I don't see them giving the Avengers that tough of a time unless it's a really weak membership with like Rage and the Black Widow and none of the "A-Listers.". I can see where the racial hatred and the racial overtones might overlap, but these guys would be good for taking on a police force, and not the Avengers. G.I Joe, maybe.


They're the KKK crossed with Hydra,imho. I don't mind them.




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