WARNING: These reactions while reading along were harsh...

Avengers Vs X-Men #9

Nothing is going to happen to Spidey so bad compared to other potential victims to put on the cover so nothing was evoked by the image.

Was torn about keep the readers in the dark about who was bleeding on the lead in page. Good and bad story telling elements about it. Until the next page it's revealed as THOR and this lead in turns out bad because that does not sound like THOR speech pattern narrating at all!

*SIGH* more time elapsed we have to rationalize. On the plus side it is more definitive than previous told EVENTS. Another 8 DAYS gone by. Avengers in hiding in another dimension. [Hiding form the K'un Lunnians it seems too... just j/k... kinda.] GUESS some Avengers from read crossover stories are prisoners for 'quite a while'. GUESS we can assume the they have some kind of emergency line to Earth to explain Rogue (and others?) noting that they could be contacted? GUESS Thing just is taking his chances to stay with the FF? GUESS they upgraded the Portal system (from last ish) when it could only be open/closed from the K'un LUn side but now we see no set welcome wagon stationed? *SIGH*

Tony's mind seems like mush since creating the Phoenix-Five with the useless contributions we have seen from him since. Disappointing.

Ooo, the THOR MB is going to be mad! Not clear if this capture is connected to his VS BATTLE is against Emma.

36 CHAMBERS OF WHAT-THE-HELL- what?

Pleeeeeeeeeease don't imply Hope was made an Avenger like that! Please.

Beast is doubling as a stated injured patient and doctor on duty.

So much for Mockingbird's awesome blood factor.

Wanda get to hold her own IV this ish! Good for her! *SIGH* Was she hurt in a crossover?

Going to ASSUME again, that Hope's training involves gaining UBER-self control and awareness. Be nice if they (re)stated it.

"NO ONE'S SEEN xAVIER FOR DAYS" ?! Heck, readers hardly have seen him at all!

Surprise, Storm shows up and finally, X-men are finally smartening up.

Whattaya know, Danakil is (ironically) THAT harsh: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0510/feature2/

PF-Emma could turn off people's minds all over the world, eh? Big deal real-Emma could've done that before.

WTH?! Who is PF-Redhead?! Emma? Is that just a poor coloring error with her hair? Please don't be a sudden appearance of a new Jean-lookalike - that'd be unfair storytelling.

That was a quick flight from Ethiopia to Wakanda. So, BP and people still digging themselves out (lotta good that Bast power/wisdom up has been). At least it's a chance to see her and T'Challa talk about their... WHAT THE HELL? Already annulled?!! Unfair storytelling.

OH FERTHELUVA... let's have some narrative time stamp boxes!!!! Okay, so fooortunately have Xmen Legacy 270 handy to know the Limbo Prison is at THE VERKHOYANSK MTS. -no thanks to the narrator. Also, SUDDENLY Xavier is there with the rest of the heroes now to rescue the prisoners. GUESS Danger's jailcell wasn't that good or that long a fate afterall. GUESS Storm wants all the good mutant press not to ask Gambit and the other 2 along.

PF-Piotr is just as stupid-when-called-for like the New Angel... doesn't know whales can't live out of water... *SIGH*

And it's another pointless donnybrook with no lessons learned from previous battle-strikes. *SIGH* Not very good art this issue to make so not much visually stimulation either. But whattaya know, the cover does mean something. Good for Spider-man being heroic like that. Ooooh, that was NOT THOR on page 1. Unfair storytelling with that segue that turns out to have been in media res. Poor Peter, PF-punched!

*SIGH* Xavier running and punching.

Okay, that is ONE DUMB way to be defeated. PROPS to Spidey for pulling it off but c'mon WHAT A JOKE of an ENTITY. *SIGH* So wait, everything went boom, then they opened a Portal (no thanks to Lei), then they go back and dig out Spidey, then it turns out Spidey survived in cliche fashion with everyone only a little singed. Bah. It's probably not exactly the sequence but the sooner the issue is over the better.

PF-Cyke can tear thru dimensions all along. Hope was never safe in hiding. "Cap made another great call." *SIGH*

Too harsh?

Actually thought hiding was a good idea, my problem is the other stuff he's been doing.

Why has Cap been sending random teams of Avengers out to fight the X-men these last few issues? I get they needed info on Wanda's connection, but she was injured in the Wakanda fight. Why let Avengers get injured in random fights for nothing. Was it worthy losing the Thing to let him search NY, or Thor while they were looking around Egypt?

Wouldn't it be smarter to hide in Kun lun and let everyone recover while Hope trains and Tony comes up with a plan that won't make things worse. At least until they got a hint where the others were being kept prisoner?

And it still looks like I'm the only one who's willing to suggest that the Avengers are letting Hope train so she can take on and control the Phoenix Force, which is the exact same thing Cyclops wanted to do in issue 1. (and the reason the war between the teams started in the first place)

I think he's sending them out to find out where the capture members are.




Doesn't really make any sense to me either as you say, he's losing more members. None of this is really explained though and makes me feel like we're missing part of the story. It also makes Cap look completely incompetent.




That's exactly what they are doing. The Avenger were never against it though. Cap was more than willing to play ball but Cyclops threw it back in his face.

Also, I wish they showed what happened to Namor. He just vanished.

Sorry but, what comics were you reading? Wolverine's rants were all about being against anyone taking in the PF. Act 1 of this had the Avengers doing anything they could to keep the Phoenix away from Hope. Only reason they're considering this is because they don't have any better ideas.

Oh and let's not forget the number of people on these boards who've been blasted for thinking Hope with PF could be a good thing.



God I wish they'd given him a panel, somewhere to show if he hasn't changed his mind now that he's lost his phoenix powers.

Dr Strange is a powerhouse yet in this series he has done absolutely nothing of note....

he was meant to be near cosmic entity level according to the stranger and also even gave the beyonder a bit of trouble

also is it the strongest avengers team ever?

it has the original avengers
Thing
Spiderman
two man hulks!
She hulk
Some Xmen
half of the defenders..

Who's Mocking bird? almost be teaching Steve a thing or two about it. The only thing Peter has to teach her is compassion and responsibility. I'm not exactly sure that can be taught in a week, either.



Yeah, I think we've only seen him for days since he got back from space.



Wouldn't be so bad, if not for that 8 freaking days!



If she can't, then... I mean, c'mon... didn't Moondragon, a normal human who went to a special school, do that? Not Earth, but some other world.



Not a redhead. Not a colouring error. Just shading.



Well, Ethiopia almost borders Wakanda. It's like a tiny country away.

I think it was intended to sound "unfair." He's the authority. He can annul their marriage on a whim. He probably just did it when he saw her.

I take bigger issue with him branding all X-Men as outlaws. That's a villainous thing to do.



That was just laughably absurd.



What? *shrug*



So, WTF was Phoenix doing strolling across the universe for 6 damned issues (+ tie-ins)?

Don't you think Red She Hulk and especially Surfer wold come in handy right now. Especially Surfer. Where are they in this?

I liked this issue,I think those Avengers who had doubts on Spiderman as an Avenger(Hawkeye, Black Widow)will respect him. I think Emma in a shaded color foreshadows what she had stated she is going to dark Phoenix side as Jean did many years ago. I think one of the cover shows Cyclops battles Emma. Wouldn't it be interesting if the two forces choose Emma?

I don't think Hope was made an Avenger, I think she just felt she was ready to help out as she stated in the begining. I wonder if she will survive or take the Phoenix force into space.

I wondered where several Avengers have been, Moon Knight, War Machine, Quake, Maria Hill, Agent 13, Shang Chi, Prince of Orphans,Venom, Tigra and Hercules. I think Val was in one fo the beds, but wasn't listed as injured, the Falcon was there too. I have not read any X issues, but wasn't Rogue made a prisoner along with Ms.Marvel? If so, shouldn't she be there? Kind of foreshadowing her joining the team. I would like to see Iceman join one fo the Avenger teams.

Would have liked to see a few of the reserves along with some of the Avengers that have not been used in Secret Avengers 29-31 as mission to look for missing teammates and then comes Nova, Cable and perhaps Deadpool.

Alannorton42

Rhodey's armor was destroyed in space, and he was injured there as well, which explains why he's off the grid. It's not like Tony has the time to rebuild his armor, and, while he's as dangerous without it as half of the people Cap's fielding, his injuries probably make that lessened as well.


TJB

Strange has been depowered for quite awhile now. He hasn't been Sorcerer Supreme in over a year or two hasn't really been a major factor in any of the Avengers stories. His depowerment pretty much appear when the first joined the Avengers.

Cap said that he wanted to work with Cyclops in their first meeting right before Cyclops blasted him. Cyclops never told Cap his reasons for wanting Hope to be the host for the Phoenix and gave him the "butt out as this is a mutant problem" speech. I feel that had Cyclops not been so hostile in their first meeting all of this would've been avoid (if that had happen we wouldn't have much of a crossover ) The Avengers were also right to feel apprehensive about the Phoenix merging with Hope as it was destroying planets on it's way to Earth including a whole planet of pacifist and peacemakers.

The Avengers lacked any really understanding of the Phoenix in the begining with the only info being; blows up planet and needs host. They were only working with what they got. Now that they have a better understanding, training Hope to control the Phoenix is the best option.




In the defense of the naysayers (I wasn't one of them), the only training she was being given was getting kicked around by Cyclops. It was more of slight against Cyclops than anything else. Not sure if I want someone trained by him in that way to be the host for an all powerful being. It's all good now that she's being trained in Kung Fu by Iron Fist and ways of the "great power, great responsiblity" by Spiderman




It looks like we'll see what happens with Namor in the latest Avengers tie-in.

Agreed! If we cannot get glimpses of other world heroes (for no good reason) at least keep us posted on the cast players that have been in it so far! AFAIK, Tigra and maaaybe Herc are tied up with the Academy. Rhodey maaay be injured still but his armor looked workable on the return trip to Earth. The others? Not sure.



Not sure the previous appearances of them. Maaaybe Falcon was still busted up from Legacy 267?



As of this month's Legacy 270 cliffhanger, it appears Magik has 'ported her to strand her on another planet or dimension.



Hope not. This Uncanny Avengers thing is gonna be scary...



Yeah, 3 more names frustratingly thrown on the back burner.

Yep. Strange should NEVER have joined! He has lost all respectability, not to mention his prestigious mantle, since then. He would have been awesome as just an oft-recurring guest star and not a identicard carrying member. (Huh, have we ever seen him even hold his card in a panel?)

Said so since finding out around Day 1:
http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2007011420491100

Asked in a well received Poll too:
http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=avengers-2007012217022300

The Avengers want to stop the Phoenix, while the X-Men want to use it, and some are beginning to suspect that the Phoenix doesn't give free wishes. That it's a ticking time bomb ready to explode and take out the earth. I'm sure that the Kun lun are aware of the nature of the Phoenix better then the X-Men since they know that the host needs an opposing force to hold back the wild nature of the Phoenix which is what Hope is doing with the spider. Scott's plan was doomed to begin with and even if she had all five lights with her, they would probably be nothing but puppets and Unit's unfinished story sounds like one of rage and hatred which may have ended their world.

Two favorite endings I have heard for this story: A grown up Franklin Richards wastes PF-Cyclops and PF-Emma; Jean returns as the White Phoenix, collects both of them and departs. (She can't stay. Her younger self is on the horizon).
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I just don't see why Marvel had to include all of that Mar-Vell, Kree and Shi'ar BS when the space could have been used for the Defenders, the FF, any former Avenger ("Once an Avenger..."). Don't the FF keep tabs on Ben?

sorry, this is a mutual mistake, whatever you think about issue 1, issue 3 had enough down time before the x-men ran away for either side to talk.



In other words, the Avengers were wrong to depend only on Logan's opinions on the topic.



wrong, any credit for her training goes to Cable who had apparently been preparing her for all this between pages of his last solo series

he hasn't been in space for a while, before AvX he was in Europe with his son, before that he was living on Utopia since it was established



Titan, and it's the planet that produced Thanos so not sure we can fairly compare Moondragon with any Earth telepath.



Kun Lun's dimension is connected to Earth, getting there has nothing to do with one's ability to travel physical distances



Absolutely no clue what you're talking about

Hmm yes that is bad...
Maybe he should be portrayed as a drunkard loser now trying to cling on to some form of power.
Though that is what Tony Stark is portrayed as sometimes I guess - no room for two of them!

That's what I'm talking about. We've only seen Xavier for days since Rise & Fall of the Shi'ar.



That's my point. Phoenix doesn't care about physical distances period. It can appear out of nowhere, wherever and whenever it wants. It doesn't even truly exist on the physical plane.




Hmm... somehow, two different statements of mine got screwed up and mushed together.

Hope could almost be teaching Steve a thing or two about battles and fighting. She's spent the past 17 years surviving on one battlefield after another. She's not some highly strung spoiled brat. No one survives that without complete knowledge and understanding of self-control. This whole Kun-Lun angle with the idea of her needing to be taught, especially by carrying buckets, is absurd.

True, though I doubt anyone was in a talking mood after the fight




Wolverine AND Beast. Both of them said that it was a world destroying entity which it proved by destroying worlds.




Cable trained her to survive and only up until Second Coming. After that it was Cyclops whose been all over her. Cable never trained her on how to deal with the Phoenix or even gave her info on the Phoenix itself. It probably never crossed his mind that she would be a potential host, having never really encountering the entity himself (not that I'm aware of anyways).

J/K!

Even though this NA22 jpeg image gotten online shows that he is already replacing his Sanctum Sanctorum Sigil accordingly.

>Hmm... somehow, two different statements of mine got screwed up and mushed together

This happened to me, also, yesterday. Luckily, I discovered it (preview message) and changed it before the final posting.

No, Xavier was the starring character of Legacy for 1-2 years, and returned to legacy when they tried to turn it into a team book after Age of X. And a number of guest star appearances in numerous x-books since Utopia was formed and a role in the Avengers last infinity gauntlet story. No idea how that equals "days"



No, you don't care about physical distances. Traveling to Earth from Kree space is a physical journey, traveling from Earth to Kun Lun is not. Ability to do one quickly has NOTHING to do with ability to do other.

honestly I never got the impression Beast knew exactly what Cap and Logan were doing while he was in space. I put the space team's efforts in a different category and intelligence level to Stark's failed superweapon and Logan's stabbing ideas. Yes if you could keep PF away from Earth, good (no matter what it's true intentions are), but the space team knew they'd probably fail.



Cable's from the future, he wouldn't have known how to find baby Hope in the first place if he didn't at least have the cliff notes to her destiny. Let's not be surprised if when Cable appears next he explains that he's known about everything the whole time.

I thought they were saying that Cyclops couldn't access the dimension until he got the extra power from the Rasputins.