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TomCorsi


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I can't find any info on it, but has anyone read the story that Black Widow tries to recruit Avengers still alive and on earth. (the heroes reborn people were considered dead)

I know the last Avengers were her, Quicksilver and Hercules. Which other Avengers were alive and on Eartg at the time?

I know only know of Beast, She-hulk, and Banner-less Hulk. Oh and Rhodey






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> I can't find any info on it, but has anyone read the story that Black Widow tries to recruit Avengers still alive and on earth. (the heroes reborn people were considered dead)

> I know the last Avengers were her, Quicksilver and Hercules. Which other Avengers were alive and on Eartg at the time?

> I know only know of Beast, She-hulk, and Banner-less Hulk. Oh and Rhodey

I can't remember who she actually tried to recruit during that annual, (and there ended up being a whole debacle over which Earth She-Hulk was supposed to be on), but aside from Black Widow/Quicksilver/Hercules, the ones who were alive and on Earth at the time so far as I can remember were:

Green Hulk, Black Knight (returned to the present about mid-way through the Heroes Reborn era), Moondragon, Beast (busy with the X-Men), Tigra, Green She-Hulk, Photon, War Machine (lost his Warware armour shortly after Heroes Reborn started), Firebird, Moon Knight (resurrected during this time period), D-Man, US Agent, Jim Hammond Human Torch, Sersi (returned alongside Black Knight), Spider-Man, Stingray, Sandman, Rage, Machine Man, Living Lightning, Spider-Woman 2, Darkhawk, Swordsman 2, Magdalene, Masque. Force Works' Century and Moonraker were also both alive and on Earth, although the latter was in a coma.


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TomCorsi


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Thanks. I knew but didn't count Black Knight and Sersi because as you said they were in the Ultraverse until Halfway through heroes reborn. I didn't Count Jim Hammond either since he lost his powers at the time.

Still, I know the meta reasons there wasnt an Avengers team at the time, (heroes reborn), but I'm interested why didn't the members left alive didnt form their own team of "new Avengers."





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Hank


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Right before Onslaught and Heroes Reborn Herc left Earth with Deathcry. In what could have been both an interesting and yet creepy implied romantic pairing. So Herc was not present when the Heroes took Onslaught down and left 616. Herc hears while traveling about what happened and returns to earth. He at the time was stripped of his "Godhood" and Joined up with Heroes for Hire. Having an extreme amount of Survivors Guilt he became an Alcoholic. He also teamed up with Bannerless Hulk to make his father bring his friends back. It did not work but he did gain his Godhood back.





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USAgentfan


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It was very un-Avenger like for the remaining team members (which was the majority of them!) to not show any interest in reforming the team.

You would think that this would be the first thing they would do and that they would recognise that there was an even greater need for heroes during what would have appeared to be their darkest hour.

Its also the case that the absence of an Avengers team was one of the direct factors involved in the Thunderbolts being able to pull their scam.


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> Right before Onslaught and Heroes Reborn Herc left Earth with Deathcry. In what could have been both an interesting and yet creepy implied romantic pairing.

And Deathcry was the one doing all the chasing, which totally makes it OK and not creepy or wrong, I'm sure.

> So Herc was not present when the Heroes took Onslaught down and left 616. Herc hears while traveling about what happened and returns to earth. He at the time was stripped of his "Godhood" and Joined up with Heroes for Hire.

There was a period between his return, and his joining Heroes for Hire, when he showed up in an issue of X-Men, to recruit Quicksilver, with the goal of getting the surviving Avengers back together. Along with Black Widow, this 3-person team appeared in the Imperial Guard miniseries, but subsequently fell apart.

> Having an extreme amount of Survivors Guilt he became an Alcoholic. He also teamed up with Bannerless Hulk to make his father bring his friends back. It did not work but he did gain his Godhood back.

Actually, Zeus offered to restore Hercules' immortality, but he refused it. But within like a year or so Marvel had started ignoring that he'd ever lost his immortality, he'd gone back to dressing and talking like he used to, and despite the more recent Hercules solo books doing TWO "Hercules Saga" re-tellings of his history, they ignored this entire period both times, while devoting space to less-important stuff. I suppose the logical explanation is "Zeus pretended to go along with his boy's wishes, but just gave Herc his immortality back whether he wanted it or not", but it's never been explained anywhere to my knowledge.

Anyone know if the Handbooks ever made up an answer for what happened?


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Hank


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    And Deathcry was the one doing all the chasing, which totally makes it OK and not creepy or wrong, I'm sure.


Yeah DC made the move on Herc after Vision turned her down in the Vision Ltm Series, for Gathers Jocasta. Herc was also mending a broken heart from Ares making the girl he dated an Illusion or some thing like that.





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