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WTH?!! Did I miss something?!!
Venom doesn't trust the Avengers can take him down so confirms the Thunderbolts can and then quits and runs off. Since the cancel of the 2nd last Secret Avengers run, Agent Venom's association/status with The Avengers has been tenuous at best - if not completely vague! Next we see Flash/Venom agreed to the Avengers suddenly shipping him off as their best new envoy choice and he's already a welcomed member on board faster than Iron Man was during his space vacation arc?!! (Not to mention this totally minimalizes the pitch of the new NOW Captain Marvel series premiere where Carol just was 'uniquely' given the honor as outer space resident-emissary for the Avengers. [Although, the last page promises to help explain things with our NEXT purchase.] It all happens this week in...

Guardians of the Galaxy 014

WTH #2: How is issue "#14" a special anniversary issue instead of #12 or even #13?? That just seemed wrong right off!

And how creepy "wrong" is it that Quill would rather shack up with Veranke than Kitty Pryde after their wonderful infatuating introduction in the immediately preceeding issue Trial of Jean Grey issue?!! At least his connection with his father, J-Son, improved one iota... before he was sentenced to execution by him.

While the space cantina scene was admittedly believable fun, the newfound freindship with Drax and Flash was... jarring. Speaking of Drax, somebody posted the attached page discussing him on the bulletin board. Never read the Annihilation issue and they never said why he was calling out to Cammi. Why was he? And who is Yvette?

Had to (go to the trouble to) look up Maxilin the Accuser's name. That's a nitpick. But his fight to take out Gamora was with impressive results. Many an Avenger should probably avoid going mano a mano with him.

Here's my review for The Groot backup story: I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. TIRING YET?!! I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. And nice art too.

No Angela(WTH?!) by the 3rd backup was disappointing but the promise of the Return of the TRUE Guardians of the Galaxy more than make up for it. They seem affected by the AoU time fracturing but fail to mention that Vance is already stranded in the past at Knowhere. Not sure what to think about Geena apparently filling in for Nikki though...

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    WTH?!! Did I miss something?!!
    Venom doesn't trust the Avengers can take him down so confirms the Thunderbolts can and then quits and runs off. Since the cancel of the 2nd last Secret Avengers run, Agent Venom's association/status with The Avengers has been tenuous at best - if not completely vague! Next we see Flash/Venom agreed to the Avengers suddenly shipping him off as their best new envoy choice and he's already a welcomed member on board faster than Iron Man was during his space vacation arc?!! (Not to mention this totally minimalizes the pitch of the new NOW Captain Marvel series premiere where Carol just was 'uniquely' given the honor as outer space resident-emissary for the Avengers. [Although, the last page promises to help explain things with our NEXT purchase.] It all happens this week in...

Agreed 100%! WTH?!


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    WTH #2: How is issue "#14" a special anniversary issue instead of #12 or even #13?? That just seemed wrong right off!

This series began with #0.1 in 04/2013. Issues have not been monthly.
I can totally understand them wanting to wait until the Jean Grey thing was done for this special issue.


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    And how creepy "wrong" is it that Quill would rather shack up with Veranke than Kitty Pryde after their wonderful infatuating introduction in the immediately preceeding issue Trial of Jean Grey issue?!! At least his connection with his father, J-Son, improved one iota... before he was sentenced to execution by him.

Well, yeah, maybe Veranke... but even this Kitty Fanboy would have trouble choosing if we were talking about Lyja. I often ask myself why I think about Skrull women so much... and just green women in general... and blue... and red... pink, gold, silver, spotted sometimes... I chalk it up to too much Star Trek when I was very young.

Quill's a very weird guy. This doesn't seem all that abnormal for him.


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    While the space cantina scene was admittedly believable fun, the newfound freindship with Drax and Flash was... jarring. Speaking of Drax, somebody posted the attached page discussing him on the bulletin board. Never read the Annihilation issue and they never said why he was calling out to Cammi. Why was he? And who is Yvette?

Eh... don't think it was a very friendly situation between Drax and Flash. Drax seemed more perturbed. He was like, "Look, if you're going to be here, you gotta get better weapons."

Cammi meant a lot to him.

Yvette is his dead wife, Heather's (Moondragon's) mother.


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    Had to (go to the trouble to) look up Maxilin the Accuser's name. That's a nitpick. But his fight to take out Gamora was with impressive results. Many an Avenger should probably avoid going mano a mano with him.

Accusers are badass.


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    Here's my review for The Groot backup story: I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. TIRING YET?!! I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. I AM GROOT. And nice art too.

I am *not* Groot. Squirrely things must die.


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    No Angela(WTH?!) by the 3rd backup was disappointing but the promise of the Return of the TRUE Guardians of the Galaxy more than make up for it. They seem affected by the AoU time fracturing but fail to mention that Vance is already stranded in the past at Knowhere. Not sure what to think about Geena apparently filling in for Nikki though...

I think Marvel is realizing Angela just wasn't all that great of a catch.

Time. Just because Vance is stranded in the past doesn't mean he isn't in the future. While I am surely typing this message, right now, I am also doing other things in the past and hopefully in the future.

But yeah, where's Nikki.




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      WTH?!! Did I miss something?!!
      Venom doesn't trust the Avengers can take him down so confirms the Thunderbolts can and then quits and runs off. Since the cancel of the 2nd last Secret Avengers run, Agent Venom's association/status with The Avengers has been tenuous at best - if not completely vague! Next we see Flash/Venom agreed to the Avengers suddenly shipping him off as their best new envoy choice and he's already a welcomed member on board faster than Iron Man was during his space vacation arc?!! (Not to mention this totally minimalizes the pitch of the new NOW Captain Marvel series premiere where Carol just was 'uniquely' given the honor as outer space resident-emissary for the Avengers. [Although, the last page promises to help explain things with our NEXT purchase.] It all happens this week in...

    Agreed 100%! WTH?!

The solicitation for the Guardians of the Galaxy FCBD 2014 Edition promised an all-new story in which "the Guardians of the Galaxy welcome Venom and Captain Marvel to the team for the launch of a not-to-be-missed death-defying epic!" So, answers should become available in just under a week.


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    At least his connection with his father, J-Son, improved one iota... before he was sentenced to execution by him.

I don't know about you but I for one am VERY tired of all the time that Peter spends whining about what a bad guy his father is. It seems to me that the main reason why Peter is out there has more to do with him making trouble for J-Son than actually protecting Earth.

Another thing that bugs me about this Peter Quill is his belief that J-Son is only a "conniving warlord" who has been "building a galactic empire of blood" and absolutely refuses to consider J-Son's claim that he's been at war to protect the galaxy by preventing Thanos or the Skrulls or the Badoon from being in charge. As much as I may admire Peter's idealistic desire that everybody in the galaxy should be free to do whatever they want, this sort of idealism strikes me as very dangerously naïve. As a long-time fan of the original GOTG, I am fully aware of just how dangerous the Badoon can (and will) be and if J-Son's "evil" activities are reducing their threat then I have no problem with him (as long as he stays away from Earth). In fact, one storyline that I would really like to see is Peter learning about the original Guardians' 31st Century future and finding out that the Badoon's rise to power started back when something happened to remove J-Son from the picture. Maybe it's just because of how much I dislike BMB's Star-Lord but I would REALLY like to read a story in which Peter Quill has to face the fact that J-Son was right all along.


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        WTH?!! Did I miss something?!!
        Venom doesn't trust the Avengers can take him down so confirms the Thunderbolts can and then quits and runs off. Since the cancel of the 2nd last Secret Avengers run, Agent Venom's association/status with The Avengers has been tenuous at best - if not completely vague! Next we see Flash/Venom agreed to the Avengers suddenly shipping him off as their best new envoy choice and he's already a welcomed member on board faster than Iron Man was during his space vacation arc?!! (Not to mention this totally minimalizes the pitch of the new NOW Captain Marvel series premiere where Carol just was 'uniquely' given the honor as outer space resident-emissary for the Avengers. [Although, the last page promises to help explain things with our NEXT purchase.] It all happens this week in...

      Agreed 100%! WTH?!

    The solicitation for the Guardians of the Galaxy FCBD 2014 Edition promised an all-new story in which "the Guardians of the Galaxy welcome Venom and Captain Marvel to the team for the launch of a not-to-be-missed death-defying epic!" So, answers should become available in just under a week.

Yet another WTH. Something important like this shouldn't be done in a special limited edition issue. But whatev...


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      At least his connection with his father, J-Son, improved one iota... before he was sentenced to execution by him.

    I don't know about you but I for one am VERY tired of all the time that Peter spends whining about what a bad guy his father is. It seems to me that the main reason why Peter is out there has more to do with him making trouble for J-Son than actually protecting Earth.

I agree.


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    Another thing that bugs me about this Peter Quill is his belief that J-Son is only a "conniving warlord" who has been "building a galactic empire of blood" and absolutely refuses to consider J-Son's claim that he's been at war to protect the galaxy by preventing Thanos or the Skrulls or the Badoon from being in charge. As much as I may admire Peter's idealistic desire that everybody in the galaxy should be free to do whatever they want, this sort of idealism strikes me as very dangerously naïve. As a long-time fan of the original GOTG, I am fully aware of just how dangerous the Badoon can (and will) be and if J-Son's "evil" activities are reducing their threat then I have no problem with him (as long as he stays away from Earth). In fact, one storyline that I would really like to see is Peter learning about the original Guardians' 31st Century future and finding out that the Badoon's rise to power started back when something happened to remove J-Son from the picture. Maybe it's just because of how much I dislike BMB's Star-Lord but I would REALLY like to read a story in which Peter Quill has to face the fact that J-Son was right all along.

Eh, well, from what we've seen of J-Son, I'm think Peter has him pegged. J-Son's a scumbag, who showed his true colours during Infinity. He's out for himself and nothing else.




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      Another thing that bugs me about this Peter Quill is his belief that J-Son is only a "conniving warlord" who has been "building a galactic empire of blood" and absolutely refuses to consider J-Son's claim that he's been at war to protect the galaxy by preventing Thanos or the Skrulls or the Badoon from being in charge. As much as I may admire Peter's idealistic desire that everybody in the galaxy should be free to do whatever they want, this sort of idealism strikes me as very dangerously naïve. As a long-time fan of the original GOTG, I am fully aware of just how dangerous the Badoon can (and will) be and if J-Son's "evil" activities are reducing their threat then I have no problem with him (as long as he stays away from Earth). In fact, one storyline that I would really like to see is Peter learning about the original Guardians' 31st Century future and finding out that the Badoon's rise to power started back when something happened to remove J-Son from the picture. Maybe it's just because of how much I dislike BMB's Star-Lord but I would REALLY like to read a story in which Peter Quill has to face the fact that J-Son was right all along.

    Eh, well, from what we've seen of J-Son, I'm think Peter has him pegged. J-Son's a scumbag, who showed his true colours during Infinity. He's out for himself and nothing else.


I don't think that the situation with J-Son is quite as black-and-white as you and Peter are making it out to be. Sure, I agree that he definitely places a high priority on his own well-being but I also think that he is genuinely concerned about threats like the Skrulls and the Badoon and truly believes that he is the right person to deal with them. Maybe he has too high an opinion of his own importance and he's definitely a scumbag but, considering what he's up against, it may be that a scumbag is the type of person who is needed to combat these threats.

As for J-Son's activities during the Infinity mess, what did he do that was so bad? Yes, he communicated with the Builders in an attempt to see what they wanted so that he could get it for them and stop their attacks. That's a reasonable course of action when fighting any enemy, especially one that so overpowers you. And yes, that communication enabled the Builders to trace the call, so to speak, and launch an attack on the galactic powers but a) that certainly wasn't J-Son's intention and b) the fact that the attack began only seconds after J-Son realized what was going on means that the Builders' forces were already in attack range and may well have found their targets anyway. And while the fact that J-Son was willing to sacrifice Earth to the Builders if it would have stopped the war certainly is not something that any true Earthling could support, are his actions so unlike what we humans would do? Suppose that it was a Terran who had contacted the Builders and they had identified Hala as their target. Are you seriously suggesting that the Terran wouldn't have even considered trying to do what J-Son tried? Sure, maybe if the Terran was Captain America that would be the case but what about anybody else? Remember, there are currently a bunch of "heroes" engaged in a covert mission to save Earth from incursions...by sacrificing other Earths in place of theirs. I'm sure that any of them would understand why J-Son acted as he did (even if they won't admit it).

Finally, one thing that everybody should remember is that Earth actually IS a major threat. Not only did her "heroes" break the space/time continuum and cause innumerable deaths, it's also true that this whole Builder threat was somehow caused by Earth in the first place. Maybe not Earth-616, but some other version of Earth is responsible for the imminent destruction of the multiverse and that prompted the Builders to retaliate against the Earth in their reality. Exactly how this came about hasn't been revealed yet but all the signs are there: an Earth and its people created the situation which led to many (if not all) of these deaths which have occurred. And, in all honesty, if you were an alien and had the chance to save your people and the rest of the galaxy by sacrificing this one particularly dangerous little planet, wouldn't you take it?


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        Another thing that bugs me about this Peter Quill is his belief that J-Son is only a "conniving warlord" who has been "building a galactic empire of blood" and absolutely refuses to consider J-Son's claim that he's been at war to protect the galaxy by preventing Thanos or the Skrulls or the Badoon from being in charge. As much as I may admire Peter's idealistic desire that everybody in the galaxy should be free to do whatever they want, this sort of idealism strikes me as very dangerously naïve. As a long-time fan of the original GOTG, I am fully aware of just how dangerous the Badoon can (and will) be and if J-Son's "evil" activities are reducing their threat then I have no problem with him (as long as he stays away from Earth). In fact, one storyline that I would really like to see is Peter learning about the original Guardians' 31st Century future and finding out that the Badoon's rise to power started back when something happened to remove J-Son from the picture. Maybe it's just because of how much I dislike BMB's Star-Lord but I would REALLY like to read a story in which Peter Quill has to face the fact that J-Son was right all along.

      Eh, well, from what we've seen of J-Son, I'm think Peter has him pegged. J-Son's a scumbag, who showed his true colours during Infinity. He's out for himself and nothing else.



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    I don't think that the situation with J-Son is quite as black-and-white as you and Peter are making it out to be. Sure, I agree that he definitely places a high priority on his own well-being but I also think that he is genuinely concerned about threats like the Skrulls and the Badoon and truly believes that he is the right person to deal with them. Maybe he has too high an opinion of his own importance and he's definitely a scumbag but, considering what he's up against, it may be that a scumbag is the type of person who is needed to combat these threats.



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    As for J-Son's activities during the Infinity mess, what did he do that was so bad? Yes, he communicated with the Builders in an attempt to see what they wanted so that he could get it for them and stop their attacks. That's a reasonable course of action when fighting any enemy, especially one that so overpowers you. And yes, that communication enabled the Builders to trace the call, so to speak, and launch an attack on the galactic powers but a) that certainly wasn't J-Son's intention and b) the fact that the attack began only seconds after J-Son realized what was going on means that the Builders' forces were already in attack range and may well have found their targets anyway. And while the fact that J-Son was willing to sacrifice Earth to the Builders if it would have stopped the war certainly is not something that any true Earthling could support, are his actions so unlike what we humans would do? Suppose that it was a Terran who had contacted the Builders and they had identified Hala as their target. Are you seriously suggesting that the Terran wouldn't have even considered trying to do what J-Son tried? Sure, maybe if the Terran was Captain America that would be the case but what about anybody else? Remember, there are currently a bunch of "heroes" engaged in a covert mission to save Earth from incursions...by sacrificing other Earths in place of theirs. I'm sure that any of them would understand why J-Son acted as he did (even if they won't admit it).

Nothing about it was reasonable. He was basically willing to sellout a world just to stop the fighting.


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    Finally, one thing that everybody should remember is that Earth actually IS a major threat.

Nonsense.




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    Nonsense.

Or to be more accurate, it's a major threat to J-Son in the same sense that the Jews were a major threat to the Germans or the Armenians were a major threat to the Turks.

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      Nonsense.

    Or to be more accurate, it's a major threat to J-Son in the same sense that the Jews were a major threat to the Germans or the Armenians were a major threat to the Turks.


Wow, that is a massive overreaction. What evidence is there that J-Son is some sort of genocidal monster? I certainly haven't seen any. Maybe he is or maybe he isn't, we just don't know...yet. As for Peter's opinion, he is certainly biased by that MASSIVE chip he has on his shoulder. Not a reliable judge of character.

Anyway, I am not claiming that King J-Son is actually a "nice guy." He's the ruler of an interstellar empire in a universe populated with warlike races like the Kree, the Skrulls, the Shi'ar and the Badoon. If he was a good guy, then he would have been dead long ago and his empire ruled by his conquerors. However, I do happen to believe that his younger self (J'Son) actually was a fairly decent person...but I could be wrong about that. It all depends on what BMB decides to "reveal" about J-Son's life.

Also, the idea that Earth is somehow NOT a threat to the rest of the Marvel Universe is ridiculous. Their "heroes" make a habit of running around the cosmos righting "wrongs" and generally imposing their standards of morality wherever they see fit. If aliens came to Earth and did the same things, Humanity would be outraged and protest that they had no right to interfere with Earth's sovereign affairs.

And then there's the damage that humans have caused. First there's the irreversible, severe damage to the entire space-time continuum caused by the time travelling used to prevent the Age of Ultron from occurring. Yes, it was Thanos who made that accusation and he is an insane murderous monster but in this instance he was BMB's viewpoint character whose purpose was to impress upon we readers (via Peter Quill) just how badly Earth's heroes had screwed up.

Then there's this whole thing with the Builders. They attacked because they knew that Earth was responsible for the imminent destruction of their/our universe, and this claim was substantiated by the other-dimensional Builders who want to destroy ALL Earths in order to save the Multiverse. While the details haven't been revealed yet, it's pretty clear that writer Jonathan Hickman is going to eventually reveal that whatever Big Bad is behind this whole mess does in fact originate from some alternate Earth. So yes, someone from Earth is going to destroy the Marvel Multiverse. Deal with it.

Finally, if that's not enough for you, remember the Avengers Forever miniseries? The whole point was that the Time-Keepers considered humanity to be the single most dangerous race the universe has ever birthed and the most dangerous beast in the multiverse. Thanks to the emergence of the Destiny Force, humanity will spread to the stars and destroy all they meet, either deliberately (as the brutal Terran Empire) or as collateral damage of their very presence. As of Avengers Forever #10, almost 42% of existing timelines were thus damaged by humanity. That's billions upon billions upon billions of alien lives lost thanks to people from Earth. And that's not even counting all the lives lost thanks to Kang the Conqueror, with his interstellar empires in multiple timelines.

So, Earth isn't a threat? I absolutely DISagree with that opinion.


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I even take issue with that. The Earth and 99.999999% of its 7 billion people are never a threat. It's just a few of the outstanding that occasionally are. And it's not the only place in the universe that can say this.

Otherwise, it's just like J-Son says, "I backwater blankety-blank."




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        Nonsense.

      Or to be more accurate, it's a major threat to J-Son in the same sense that the Jews were a major threat to the Germans or the Armenians were a major threat to the Turks.



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    Wow, that is a massive overreaction. What evidence is there that J-Son is some sort of genocidal monster?

You realize that attempting to sellout the Earth puts him WAY above the genocidal figures of anyone that's ever lived in the real world, right? You don't need to be a demagogue to be guilty of genocide; a worm-tongue can be one too. He knew the Builders' plan. He offered to place Earth on their chopping block. Even if he couldn't deliver, he wanted to, and it's slimy.




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    You realize that attempting to sellout the Earth puts him WAY above the genocidal figures of anyone that's ever lived in the real world, right? You don't need to be a demagogue to be guilty of genocide; a worm-tongue can be one too. He knew the Builders' plan. He offered to place Earth on their chopping block. Even if he couldn't deliver, he wanted to, and it's slimy.


Yes, I do realize that. However, I would point out that the situation with the Builders was a unique one, and there is no indication that genocide is something that King J-Son frequently (or, perhaps, ever) initiated previously. It's worth noting that, at the time J-Son made his offer, there was NO hope that the Builders could be stopped and so they were going to get to Earth anyway, whether J-Son helped them or not. Personally, I found the fact that the Avengers were able to "win" in this situation to be highly implausible, a real weak point of the storyline. Thor uses treachery to assassinate a Builder and suddenly all of these races who had surrendered (i.e. sold their freedom to the Builders in exchange for their lives) are inspired to rise up and overthrow their conquerors and, surprisingly, they succeed!

I should like to point out that this was an extremely over-the-top FICTIONAL situation in which J-Son found himself and, frankly, I can understand why he tried to do what he did. If a comparable situation happened in the real world, with an invading and seemingly-unstoppable alien armada approaching Earth and I happened to find out that their true target was a planet which I considered to be a threat to Humanity, then I might be willing to "sell out" that planet if it might save Earth. After all, isn't that what the "heroes" of the Illuminati have been doing in New Avengers for a while now, sacrificing other worlds to save their own? If it's "acceptable" for them, then how is J-Son "worse" for trying to do the same thing?

I guess the thing that I disagree with is how you're taking J-Son's decision in this one extreme situation and labelling him as genocidal, as though he were somehow worse than the other galactic rulers we've seen. After all, some of them order genocides almost routinely. The old Supreme Intelligence ordered over 100 worlds burned because he feared the results of his own weapons experiment and the reborn Supremor tried to do the same to Earth not that long ago. The Brood infest and/or eat every living sentient they can get their tentacles on. Annihilus is the Living Death that Walks. And the Brotherhood of Badoon will nearly wipe out Earth-691's population in the future.

All I'm saying is that, while J-Son is certainly, as you say, slimy, compared to these sweethearts he's "not that bad."


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    You realize that attempting to sellout the Earth puts him WAY above the genocidal figures of anyone that's ever lived in the real world, right? You don't need to be a demagogue to be guilty of genocide; a worm-tongue can be one too. He knew the Builders' plan. He offered to place Earth on their chopping block. Even if he couldn't deliver, he wanted to, and it's slimy.


I don't find it that slimy. Earth is a threat to the interests of innumerable races. If Earth was in the reverse situation and got to decide whether to condemn another planet to destruction or let it continue to threaten our interests that planet wouldn't be spared.

I think most Americans are content to let Syria self destruct which I think disappointed our president. J-Son's job is to further his people's interests not do the right thing. The previous poster made a great point why sparing earth isn't in the universe's best interests.








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I don't remember the Avengers not trusting him. Maybe in his book, and if so its the writer in Secret for not continuing and fixing it, like where Hawkeye eventually came around and viewed him as a valuable Avenger. Also a poor job of continuity.




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