How would you rate Janet Van Dyne AKA The Wasp -as an Avenger- on a scale of 10?

What's a most memorable "Avengers scene" you can think of, ATM, that "she owned"?

How 'bout rating her as a mentor to Nadia so far?

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5...nothing special or horrible. She's just there to look pretty and offer vapid comments.

Well, she did her job well, and she among the most loyal, never putting herself above the team (*glares to Tony, Steve, and Thor*). She did pretty well as a chairperson for a large chunk of the 80s. Certainly above average. Recent writers have just written her as a flake.

I'd give her an 8.
(mind you, that's a C- in my view)

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As the original Wasp yeah agree.

When she led the team and under Busiek give her a 7-8.

recently don't know and don't care I have dropped all SJW-Avenger titles.

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Well, she did her job well, and she among the most loyal, never putting herself above the team (*glares to Tony, Steve, and Thor*). She did pretty well as a chairperson for a large chunk of the 80s. Certainly above average. Recent writers have just written her as a flake.

I thought she was great in Stern's run...and dull or vapid everywhere else.

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I'd give her an 8.
(mind you, that's a C- in my view)

How does an 8 = a C minus?

8 should be like a B+

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5...nothing special or horrible. She's just there to look pretty and offer vapid comments.

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As the original Wasp yeah agree.

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When she led the team and under Busiek give her a 7-8.

I admit she was good when Stern wrote her. Every other time she usually disgusts me with how vapid she is.

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recently don't know and don't care I have dropped all SJW-Avenger titles.

When they cancelled Vision, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man and Hercules I ran out of Marvel books to follow. Seriously I think Marvel post-Secret Wars is at the worst quality it has ever been...like worse than Heroes Reborn, the Crossing, the Clone Saga or Liefeld's X-Force. Things are really really bad now.

The math comes from indoctrination at a school with a grading system as such:
A: 96-100
B: 90-95
C: 80-89
D: 70-79
F: below 70

Mind mind has just been forever (40 years, now) stuck in that mode.

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How would you rate Janet Van Dyne AKA The Wasp -as an Avenger- on a scale of 10?

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What's a most memorable "Avengers scene" you can think of, ATM, that "she owned"?

She's not powerful enough to rate higher, she is a loyal, experienced member however who is one of the 'core' members of the team.

I remember when Iron Man and Thor got taken down (I think) and it was her and Hawkeye as last men standing vs the Collector and she went down swinging, saying he would know what it meant to fight Avengers.

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97.

I base that on the fact of who and when there was a chairperson at 10/100, correct?

And who would we set the benchmark as? Cap probably?

Do they lose point for shortcomings? Mistakes? Bad writing when they were Chairs?

I put Janet at 97, Cap at his best 100. Hawkeye (West Coast included? Thunderbolts?) 96. Ironman 90 (maybe lower depending on the plot/storyline). Dr. Druid - 0, zero......a big goose egg.

As always Rev. we are of similar minds on the state of Marvel today.

I'm not up on the character recently but from her inception through the 90s I thought she was better developed than most Avengers without their own title. The Stern era certainly stands out as her pinnacle. I would say picking herself off the ground by beating Titania and the Absorbing Man when she was at her lowest point stands out to me.

Her leadership was already being questioned, then the Mansion and several Avengers were lost. Yet, she stood with an Ant-man (which brings up some drama) to defend her harshest critic (Hercules) from two opponents way out of her weight class. She found her grit there. Definitely her best moment.

I'd put here near the top of Avengers. Cap, Thor, Iron Man then Janet. Hawkeye and Vision just behind her.

9. She's a founding member and gave the team its name. Along with Sue Storm and Jean Grey, Janet is one of Marvel's first female leads. She's a more light-hearted character and often played for comic relief, but it's an element the Avengers comic needs. She is easily one of the Avengers more memorable leaders. She's been unfairly neglected for the past 20 years, especially since "Avengers Disassembled" and on.




Janet played double agent with Magneto during the original Secret Wars, then escapes while making the X-Men look like amateurs while trying to stop her.

How to make an entrance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49xWJJvpjzI

For the reasons already mentioned - founder, gave them their name. Involved in a lot of their most pivotal stories. I agree as well that the Mansion Siege was her finest moment. I also really enjoyed her two-part appearance in PPTSSM (with Paladin), where she initially seemed flighty and shallow, but was actually playing dumb so people underestimated her. That appearance also established her as the chairwoman of a major company (Van Dyne Industries), a part of her character that is frequently ignored. She is truly formidable.

Unfortunately there is now a whole generation of new fans who have almost no exposure to her. They probably remember her dying without speaking a word in Secret Invasion as fall-girl to make a crappy crossover seem momentous (and failing miserably in that regard).

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Wow Rev I was getting those Avengers titles as well. None of them my fav Avengers but the stories were actually compelling (other than making Hulk a total drunkard...little tired of them doing this to all my heroes...though he fits the bill better than most for this ).

Still...I get nothing now...and have ZERO interest in what is out there except for some of the classic teams appearances.

The math comes from indoctrination at a school with a grading system as such:
A: 90-100
B: 80 - 89
C: 70-79
D: 60-69
E/F: below 60

That's my school experience. Except we never had E's except in elementary school when it meant excellent.

E's were replaced in the 80's I think with Fail etc...because an E was too emotionally tough on kids or something...lol

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The math comes from indoctrination at a school with a grading system as such:
A: 90-100
B: 80 - 89
C: 70-79
D: 60-69
E/F: below 60


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That's my school experience. Except we never had E's except in elementary school when it meant excellent.

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E's were replaced in the 80's I think with Fail etc...because an E was too emotionally tough on kids or something...lol

I remember my elementary school report cards had:

E- Excellent
S - Satisfactory
I - Incomplete (I guess for students with excessive absences)
and maybe U - Unsatisfactory (I might have this last one wrong)