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The Life Of Captain Marvel (2018) #1 (of 5)
> THE DEFINITIVE ORIGIN OF CAPTAIN MARVEL! Carol Danvers was just a girl from the Boston suburbs who loved science and the Red Sox until a chance encounter with a Kree hero gave her incredible super-powers. Now, she’s a leader in the Avengers and the commander of Alpha Flight. But what if there were more to the story? When crippling anxiety attacks put her on the sidelines in the middle of a fight, Carol finds herself reliving memories of a life she thought was far behind her. You can’t outrun where you’re from — and sometimes, you HAVE to go home again. But there are skeletons in Captain Marvel’s closet — and what she discovers will change her entire world. Written by best-selling author Margaret Stohl and drawn by fan-favorite comics veteran Carlos Pacheco, this is the true origin of Captain Marvel.

There were some halfway decent elements BUT:

No chronological placement.
No clear idea why this is hyped as "THE DEFINITIVE ORIGIN OF CAPTAIN MARVEL!" (yet). Maybe it was that Mar-Vell HANDED her, her powers?
No footnotes or objectives with Moonstone or Tanalth (making it Revolving Door trope and tripe).
No way for a hero like her to treat your family - snubbing them for YEARS.
No big deal if her father was having an affair, considering her history/line-of-work, to get that traumatized by it.
No pleasure in accepting such easypeasy accelerated growth for new characters to show up.
No mention of: AFSS position and responsibilities, her brainwipe issues, operating logistics with (current version) Tony's A.I. operating, point about her CWII animosity with Tony at all, mention of her boyfriend's Rhodey's resurrection...

...No, thanks.

What say YOU: Here we GO again! \:\) OR: Here we go AGAIN! \:\(

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Did Carol forget she was older than her brother Joe Danvers (and other brother Steve Danvers) or did the birth order get Secret Wars retconned?


(Ms. Marvel volume 2 implies Steve is older than Carol and that Carol joined the air force after Steve was killed and she turned 18. But I'm pretty sure that's not true and that Carol was the eldest sibling in Ms. Marvel volume 1 issue #19)





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    Quote:
    There were some halfway decent elements BUT:



    Quote:
    No chronological placement.
    No clear idea why this is hyped as "THE DEFINITIVE ORIGIN OF CAPTAIN MARVEL!" (yet). Maybe it was that Mar-Vell HANDED her, her powers?
    No footnotes or objectives with Moonstone or Tanalth (making it Revolving Door trope and tripe).
    No way for a hero like her to treat your family - snubbing them for YEARS.

We've known about it before, and it's not entirely her fault. Remember, after Rogue, she had no emotional connection to her memories for years. In fact, this is about the first inkling of any emotional connection.


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    No big deal if her father was having an affair, considering her history/line-of-work, to get that traumatized by it.

It's always a huge deal when it's your own father.


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    No pleasure in accepting such easypeasy accelerated growth for new characters to show up.
    No mention of: AFSS position and responsibilities, her brainwipe issues, operating logistics with (current version) Tony's A.I. operating, point about her CWII animosity with Tony at all, mention of her boyfriend's Rhodey's resurrection...



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    ...No, thanks.

Yeah.

She goes away from the new Avengers team and the AFSS for 9 months?! How's that going to be explained?

Some problems, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.




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It is sort of easy to infer Carol was the oldest from Ms. Marvel #19, but not necessarily. She was 17 when we see that argument between her and her dad. When he says only Steve will go to college, it really doesn't have any bearing on their relative ages.




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    Quote:
    It is sort of easy to infer Carol was the oldest from Ms. Marvel #19, but not necessarily. She was 17 when we see that argument between her and her dad. When he says only Steve will go to college, it really doesn't have any bearing on their relative ages.


To me Carol's clearly shown to be taller. But two situations are possible.

1. Steve is younger than Carol. Steve was close in age to Carol. Steve was still in High School. Their father wanted Steve to go to college after high school. When he got old enough he joined the military instead.

2. Steve is older than Carol and was already 18 or 19 (if Carol is close to 18 an older brother would presumably be closer to 19). Steve still lived at home. He had graduated high school but hadn't started college yet. He joined the military before Carol (not alluded to in the issue).

Option one just makes more sense and seems neater.


Reverend Meteor (so with Carol and Steve out of the way did Joe Jr. get the money for college or did his parents just think he was too dim for college)





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> We've known about it before, and it's not entirely her fault. Remember, after Rogue, she had no emotional connection to her memories for years. In fact, this is about the first inkling of any emotional connection.
Her various memory lapse episodes must have made her 12 Step Program with making ammends for AA a lot easier.

> It's always a huge deal when it's your own father.
Kinda curious, now, what her Top 10 most upsetting in-story moments were.

> She goes away from the new Avengers team and the AFSS for 9 months?! How's that going to be explained?
UNFORGIVABLE non-reveal.

> Some problems, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.
Kinda curious, now, how long Ms.Thompson can keep this going and if the cancellation of A-Force and sales numbers of Secret Wars "Captain Marvel and the Carol Corps" (not w/list below) should be indicators.

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    Volumes posted elsewhere:
    >Captain Marvel (1968)
    OG Mar-Vell run
    >Captain Marvel (1989)
    The two Monica one-shots
    >Captain Marvel (1995)
    Genis' first mini
    >Captain Marvel (2000)
    Genis' first ongoing
    >Captain Marvel (2002)
    Genis' second ongoing
    >Captain Marvel (2008)
    Khn'nr's mini
    >Captain Marvel (2012)
    KSD's first run
    >Captain Marvel (2014)
    KSD's second run
    >Captain Marvel (2016)
    Alpha Flight run
    >Captain Marvel (2017)
    The legacy renumbering beginning with issue #125






Carol's origin previously retold in IM V.3 #7...
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=ironman-2017120817173320

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    > Some problems, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.
    Kinda curious, now, how long Ms.Thompson can keep this going and if the cancellation of A-Force and sales numbers of Secret Wars "Captain Marvel and the Carol Corps" (not w/list below) should be indicators.

It doesn't really matter. This is a 5-issue miniseries.




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Marvel thinking:

When a series is successful...reboot.

When a series is unsuccessful...reboot.








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    Marvel thinking:



    Quote:
    When a series is successful...reboot.



    Quote:
    When a series is unsuccessful...reboot.


As long as people continue to buy loads of #1, can't really blame them. Just reboot after every arc.




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    Quote:

      Quote:

      Marvel thinking:

      Quote:

        Quote:
        When a series is successful...reboot.

        Quote:

          Quote:
          When a series is unsuccessful...reboot.



    Quote:
    As long as people continue to buy loads of #1, can't really blame them. Just reboot after every arc.


Thinks its failing more and more though.


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    Quote:
    Marvel thinking:



    Quote:
    When a series is successful...reboot.



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    When a series is unsuccessful...reboot.


I don't know why they bother with five issues. They should just do special one-shots every two months. The only issue number they would ever have to use is ONE. Speculator's paradise!








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Nope. #1's selling betterer and betterer.

07/12 Captain Marvel v7 #1 41,582
03/14 Captain Marvel v8 #1 44,248
06/15 Captain Marvel & Carol Corps #1 47,302
01/16 Captain Marvel v9 #1 52,972
12/16 Mighty Captain Marvel #0 53,263




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But the drop off is more severe yes?

Not sure how the "Marvel ships certain books that are not ordered" to stores as well adds or not to these numbers as well.


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    But the drop off is more severe yes?

Not so much, especially when you consider the industry as a whole is in a slump. Her series tend to plateau at around 20k, give or take. But that just means more restarting at #1.




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With a character like Carol, they can sell more issues with 5 than with 1.




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    Quote:
    I don't know why they bother with five issues. They should just do special one-shots every two months. The only issue number they would ever have to use is ONE. Speculator's paradise!


I prefer limited series over one shots or ongoings. I'm quirky.







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