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MattS80




Does anyone agree with me that Batman: Year One is a little bit overrated. I do think it's pretty good, and I really like the (Jim) Gordon parts, but I don't really see why people hold this storyline as the best or second best Batman story. It did have really good art. Maybe I'll re-read it again, but I think the Long Halloween was better.


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wK92




> Does anyone agree with me that Batman: Year One is a little bit overrated. I do think it's pretty good, and I really like the (Jim) Gordon parts, but I don't really see why people hold this storyline as the best or second best Batman story. It did have really good art. Maybe I'll re-read it again, but I think the Long Halloween was better.

Personally I think it is an amazing story.I think it helps to take into account the time of its release.At the time Batman NEEDED to be brought back to street level.That book did it.

However my favorite is the original Dark Knight Returns.That book captured its time perfectly,using the Batman mythos to comment on the culture of America in the 80's.Great stuff.


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Dr.Dom




> Does anyone agree with me that Batman: Year One is a little bit overrated. I do think it's pretty good, and I really like the (Jim) Gordon parts, but I don't really see why people hold this storyline as the best or second best Batman story. It did have really good art. Maybe I'll re-read it again, but I think the Long Halloween was better.


I agree that the Long Halloween was better, as was The Dark Knight Returns.

Both very well written and great art....

I agree that it is a bit over-rated...


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Nights




> Does anyone agree with me that Batman: Year One is a little bit overrated. I do think it's pretty good, and I really like the (Jim) Gordon parts, but I don't really see why people hold this storyline as the best or second best Batman story. It did have really good art. Maybe I'll re-read it again, but I think the Long Halloween was better.

People always like to dismiss Year One as overrated compare to this book or that. The truth of it is this Year One prove that Batman can be realistic and dark without going over the top like DKR. Year One gives you the perfect origin story and explains why Batman is needed in Gotham better than any story has every done.




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litlte kon-el




> Personally I think it is an amazing story.I think it helps to take into account the time of its release.At the time Batman NEEDED to be brought back to street level.That book did it.
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It wasn't like Batman wasn't "Street Level" before this. Previous writers had Batman as the Dark Knight long before Miller decided to give his version.

The key with B:YO is that no one had ever thought of depicting the Dark Knight as slightly unhinged...almost making Batman Robert DiNero from Taxi Driver (check out the scene where Batman confronts Selina for the first time and tell me that isn't out of Taxi Driver).

I think Miller is unique because he told the "last Batman story" and hte "first Batman story" for the generation growing up after the Crisis Reboot. His work is influential because everyone in between has had to write by acknowledging his version of Batman. Even the movies have had to acknowledge it...with Batman Begins taking as much from the original Ras Al Ghul stories as from Miller's Batman from Year One.

- little kon-el


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wK92




> > Personally I think it is an amazing story.I think it helps to take into account the time of its release.At the time Batman NEEDED to be brought back to street level.That book did it.
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> It wasn't like Batman wasn't "Street Level" before this. Previous writers had Batman as the Dark Knight long before Miller decided to give his version.

What I meant is that he had lost his street level focus if you ask me.Sure in the 40s we had a street level Batman fighting gangsters,but after the 50s and 60s sci fi campy stuff,and then the 70s Neal Adams supernatural stuff(great stories by the way),it needed to be brought back to the forefront.Year One accomplished that.

The unhinged part is correct though.Very true.Batman hasnt been treated the same since Frank got a hold of him.


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> What I meant is that he had lost his street level focus if you ask me.Sure in the 40s we had a street level Batman fighting gangsters,but after the 50s and 60s sci fi campy stuff,and then the 70s Neal Adams supernatural stuff(great stories by the way),it needed to be brought back to the forefront. Year One accomplished that.

Well, it's not like they were exactly contemperaneous. After the 70's Neal Adams stuff, there was around 13 years before Year One.

During that time we had a pretty much sensibly grounded Batman, though as magic is a fact of life in the DCU, he did face it a few times, we had a Joker who could be lethal or not as the whim took him, a socially functional Batman, the maturation of Dick Grayson into Nightwing (With Batman being the "proud father" about it rather than raving control freak) and the intro of Jason Todd #1 as Robin #2. A lot of it wasn't terribly memorable perhaps, but it was good solid Batman storytelling.

I was never a huge fan of YO, mostly because of the art, but also because I felt it needlessly messed with Batman's origin because of some need to make him both flaky and relevant, which aren't his most interesting personality traits to me.

I can appreciate that Mazzuchelli has an interesting style, just never one that appealled to me, I found it annoying for example, that his art was so murky (for want of a better term) that it was a matter of some debate at the time as to what ethnicity Catwoman now was.


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Halloweeen Jack




> > Does anyone agree with me that Batman: Year One is a little bit overrated. I do think it's pretty good, and I really like the (Jim) Gordon parts, but I don't really see why people hold this storyline as the best or second best Batman story. It did have really good art. Maybe I'll re-read it again, but I think the Long Halloween was better.
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> Personally I think it is an amazing story.I think it helps to take into account the time of its release.At the time Batman NEEDED to be brought back to street level.That book did it.
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> However my favorite is the original Dark Knight Returns.That book captured its time perfectly,using the Batman mythos to comment on the culture of America in the 80's.Great stuff.

Year One was good. Not exceptional, but good. The Long Halloween and Dark Victory are the two that really blew my mind. And it would be wrong for me not to mention Hush. Shame they really ruined a good character there.


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Ranger




Year One was groundbreaking because it portrayed a very realistic view of Batman, as if the character and his cast existed in the real world. No bulging muscles, strictly human abilities. It was the most human Batman had been since his introduction in 1939.

Whether or not it's the best Batman story... well, that's a matter of opinion, isn't it? My preferences for the best Batman stories lean towards the 1970s Adams/O'Neil era, probably because that's what I grew up with. However, I think most of us agree that Year One was a very good story, better than about 97% of the rest of the Batman mythos.


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OB




> Does anyone agree with me that Batman: Year One is a little bit overrated. I do think it's pretty good, and I really like the (Jim) Gordon parts, but I don't really see why people hold this storyline as the best or second best Batman story. It did have really good art. Maybe I'll re-read it again, but I think the Long Halloween was better.


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Trey




> Does anyone agree with me that Batman: Year One is a little bit overrated. I do think it's pretty good, and I really like the (Jim) Gordon parts, but I don't really see why people hold this storyline as the best or second best Batman story. It did have really good art. Maybe I'll re-read it again, but I think the Long Halloween was better.


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MattS80




The no villian thing , much as I love villian stories, I could get past. I think my favorite Batman story is probably The Autobiography of Bruce Wayne by Alan Brenett (sp?).


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Omar Karindu




Are a number of the revisions of Two-Face's origin. WHile the idea that Gilda was a would-be mother gonje mad is all new, much of Harvey's descent into madness and characters like Adrian Fields, his corrupt ADA, were actually established years earlier when Andy Helfer and Chris Sprouse wrote TTwo-Face's Post-COIE, Year One-friendly origin in Batman Annual #14.

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Nats




> Does anyone agree with me that Batman: Year One is a little bit overrated. I do think it's pretty good, and I really like the (Jim) Gordon parts, but I don't really see why people hold this storyline as the best or second best Batman story. It did have really good art. Maybe I'll re-read it again, but I think the Long Halloween was better.


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