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According to the link below, Neal Adams and Frank Miller will be working together on a Batman miniseries, "Batman: Odyssey." Adams will do plot and pencils, Miller does dialogue.

I hate to admit it, but Miller's involvement in this almost kills it for me. "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Year One" were great stories, but Miller's recent Batman work has been very disappointing. I wonder if Miller "gets" Batman anymore.

Why, oh why, couldn't Adams be working with someone else? Denny O'Neill? Grant Morrison? Paul Dini?

Oh, well. Let's see how it turns out...


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stupid baby




> According to the link below, Neal Adams and Frank Miller will be working together on a Batman miniseries, "Batman: Odyssey." Adams will do plot and pencils, Miller does dialogue.
>
> I hate to admit it, but Miller's involvement in this almost kills it for me. "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Year One" were great stories, but Miller's recent Batman work has been very disappointing. I wonder if Miller "gets" Batman anymore.
>
> Why, oh why, couldn't Adams be working with someone else? Denny O'Neill? Grant Morrison? Paul Dini?
>
> Oh, well. Let's see how it turns out...

yeah. Miller, honestly , makes me hesitant,
But NEAL F&$#@ING ADAMS!
aw geez, awesome!!
yeah, Ill probably subscribe to it.
I just hope it doesnt ended up beng delayed to death.


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Gernot




Does DC hate their fans now? Why are they still giving Miller work? Is it 'cause Miller "sells"?

Heck, if Charles Manson wrote a Batman book, THAT would sell, but why would anyone in their right mind shell out good money for something like THAT?

Now, while I don't care for Denny O'Neil working on DC's OTHER heroes, he IS perfect for Batman, as long as he's not operating with any other heroes, including Robin (ANY version).

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> Does DC hate their fans now? Why are they still giving Miller work? Is it 'cause Miller "sells"?
>
> Heck, if Charles Manson wrote a Batman book, THAT would sell, but why would anyone in their right mind shell out good money for something like THAT?
>
> Now, while I don't care for Denny O'Neil working on DC's OTHER heroes, he IS perfect for Batman, as long as he's not operating with any other heroes, including Robin (ANY version).
>
> Gernot...
>
> My Yahoo Clubs!
>
> **NEW! Superman, Man Of Tomorrow!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SupermanManOfTomorrow/
>
> **NEWER!! Serial Heroes!
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/To_Be_Continued/
>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kartoon_Klub/

Neal Adams is the best Batman artist, but I have little faith in this collaboration with Frank Miller. Frank Miller's next project is supposed to be "Holy Terror, Batman!" where Batman defends Gotham from the real like terrorist group Al-Qaeda. I am all for realism in comic books, but this is just too much. I hope this project is not the one that Neal Adams is working on. Neal Adams would be better suited to work with Steve Englehart or Sam Hamm than Frank Miller. Steve Englehart is the definitive writer of Batman and Sam Hamm could be called the best writer of Batman since he is the one that most understands Batman's personality. I so wish Neal Adams would work on a new project with one of these professionals or both of them instead of Frank Miller. Frank Miller is a great writer but often and of late he is far too subjective with his writing, putting too much of himself in the comics, altering the characters to make them however he wants them to be without any objectivity, focusing on exploitation tactics, writing stories that are entirely nonsensical, ignoring continuity, having no consistency and just plain writting horrible stories.


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Ranger




> Neal Adams is the best Batman artist, but I have little faith in this collaboration with Frank Miller. Frank Miller's next project is supposed to be "Holy Terror, Batman!" where Batman defends Gotham from the real like terrorist group Al-Qaeda. I am all for realism in comic books, but this is just too much. I hope this project is not the one that Neal Adams is working on. Neal Adams would be better suited to work with Steve Englehart or Sam Hamm than Frank Miller. Steve Englehart is the definitive writer of Batman and Sam Hamm could be called the best writer of Batman since he is the one that most understands Batman's personality. I so wish Neal Adams would work on a new project with one of these professionals or both of them instead of Frank Miller. Frank Miller is a great writer but often and of late he is far too subjective with his writing, putting too much of himself in the comics, altering the characters to make them however he wants them to be without any objectivity, focusing on exploitation tactics, writing stories that are entirely nonsensical, ignoring continuity, having no consistency and just plain writting horrible stories.


No word on who is drawing "Holy Terror, Batman!" (it might be Miller himself, for all we know), but it's definitely not Neal Adams. This project is, as the story says, called "Batman: Odyssey."

A collaboration with Steve Englehart or Sam Hamm would be interesting, although I'd just as soon see Adams work with Denny O'Neil again (I hope there's not a Stan Lee / Steve Ditko kind of conflict going on there). I mentioned Dini and Morrison in my earlier post because their versions of Batman are pretty much in line with the way he was portrayed in the stories Adams drew back in the 1960s-1970s.

The thing is, I think Miller's work on projects like "300" and "Sin City" is great... I just think he's lost his touch with Batman. It's like he locked into a narrow little viewpoint on how Batman is supposed to be, and it's not the way most fans see him.


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FZ




> According to the link below, Neal Adams and Frank Miller will be working together on a Batman miniseries, "Batman: Odyssey." Adams will do plot and pencils, Miller does dialogue.
>
> I hate to admit it, but Miller's involvement in this almost kills it for me. "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Year One" were great stories, but Miller's recent Batman work has been very disappointing. I wonder if Miller "gets" Batman anymore.

Wow, I;m digging Miller more today than ever, his 300 looks great. I wish he'd get All-Star Batman out more often.
>
> Why, oh why, couldn't Adams be working with someone else? Denny O'Neill? Grant Morrison? Paul Dini?
>
> Oh, well. Let's see how it turns out...


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FZ




> > Does DC hate their fans now? Why are they still giving Miller work? Is it 'cause Miller "sells"?
> >
> > Heck, if Charles Manson wrote a Batman book, THAT would sell, but why would anyone in their right mind shell out good money for something like THAT?
> >
> > Now, while I don't care for Denny O'Neil working on DC's OTHER heroes, he IS perfect for Batman, as long as he's not operating with any other heroes, including Robin (ANY version).
> >
> > Gernot...
> >
> > My Yahoo Clubs!
> >
> > **NEW! Superman, Man Of Tomorrow!
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SupermanManOfTomorrow/
> >
> > **NEWER!! Serial Heroes!
> > http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/To_Be_Continued/
> >
> > ***NEWEST!!! Cartoons!
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kartoon_Klub/
>
> Neal Adams is the best Batman artist, but I have little faith in this collaboration with Frank Miller. Frank Miller's next project is supposed to be "Holy Terror, Batman!" where Batman defends Gotham from the real like terrorist group Al-Qaeda. I am all for realism in comic books, but this is just too much. I hope this project is not the one that Neal Adams is working on. Neal Adams would be better suited to work with Steve Englehart or Sam Hamm than Frank Miller. Steve Englehart is the definitive writer of Batman and Sam Hamm could be called the best writer of Batman since he is the one that most understands Batman's personality. I so wish Neal Adams would work on a new project with one of these professionals or both of them instead of Frank Miller. Frank Miller is a great writer but often and of late he is far too subjective with his writing, putting too much of himself in the comics, altering the characters to make them however he wants them to be without any objectivity, focusing on exploitation tactics, writing stories that are entirely nonsensical, ignoring continuity, having no consistency and just plain writting horrible stories.

I'm not aware of the'Holy Terror' project, but, I've seen the current war mentioned in many DC titles. I don't see what would be wrong, after all, Batman and Robin were in many WW 2 stories and Al Qeada is certainly a threat today. As for Steve Englehart, his recent miniseries on Joker and the 'Vote' was highly subjective.


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FZ




> According to the link below, Neal Adams and Frank Miller will be working together on a Batman miniseries, "Batman: Odyssey." Adams will do plot and pencils, Miller does dialogue.
>
> I hate to admit it, but Miller's involvement in this almost kills it for me. "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Year One" were great stories, but Miller's recent Batman work has been very disappointing. I wonder if Miller "gets" Batman anymore.
>
> Why, oh why, couldn't Adams be working with someone else? Denny O'Neill? Grant Morrison? Paul Dini?
>
> Oh, well. Let's see how it turns out...


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Gernot




> >
> > Neal Adams is the best Batman artist, but I have little faith in this collaboration with Frank Miller. Frank Miller's next project is supposed to be "Holy Terror, Batman!" where Batman defends Gotham from the real like terrorist group Al-Qaeda. I am all for realism in comic books, but this is just too much. I hope this project is not the one that Neal Adams is working on. Neal Adams would be better suited to work with Steve Englehart or Sam Hamm than Frank Miller. Steve Englehart is the definitive writer of Batman and Sam Hamm could be called the best writer of Batman since he is the one that most understands Batman's personality. I so wish Neal Adams would work on a new project with one of these professionals or both of them instead of Frank Miller. Frank Miller is a great writer but often and of late he is far too subjective with his writing, putting too much of himself in the comics, altering the characters to make them however he wants them to be without any objectivity, focusing on exploitation tactics, writing stories that are entirely nonsensical, ignoring continuity, having no consistency and just plain writting horrible stories.
>
> I'm not aware of the'Holy Terror' project, but, I've seen the current war mentioned in many DC titles. I don't see what would be wrong, after all, Batman and Robin were in many WW 2 stories and Al Qeada is certainly a threat today. As for Steve Englehart, his recent miniseries on Joker and the 'Vote' was highly subjective.


...WWII, while not a POPULAR war (is ANY war "popular"?), still had the backing of MOST U.S. citizens.

I DON'T want to turn this into any sort of political debate, so I'll end now.

Dale, if you think this post should be deleted, please do so with my sincere apologies.

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