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I'm very curious to see how my fellow Bat fans feel about this episode. I've watched this episode several times already, with different personal opinions each time. I love the reference to the opening of "On Leather Wings"(as well as all the OTHER continuity references!)at the end(provides a sense of coming full circle/closure) second only to seeing Andrea Beaumont again. Do you:

A. Love this episode, and consider it part of the overall canon for the DC Animated Universe(especially the "Grey Ghost" reference), or

B. Are you disturbed by it, and consider it a questionable "What If...?" story?

C. Any combination of the above?

D. Other thoughts I haven't mentioned.

My only real problem with the episode is the secretive manipulation of Warren McGinnis. It seems to me that some reincarnation was used here too, since Waller was looking for people who had near-identical/identical profiles as Bruce's parents.


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> A. Love this episode, and consider it part of the overall canon for the DC Animated Universe(especially the "Grey Ghost" reference), or

Pretty much that.

> B. Are you disturbed by it, and consider it a questionable "What If...?" story?

Why would I think that? It's by the same creators, the same continuity and clearly is an extension of the BB storyline as envisaged by the creative team.

> My only real problem with the episode is the secretive manipulation of Warren McGinnis. It seems to me that some reincarnation was used here too, since Waller was looking for people who had near-identical/identical profiles as Bruce's parents.

Why reincarnation? It's not like it's that complex a social dynamic; The Waynes and the McGinnis' were both comfortably off professional couples in Gotham.

The only thing that might have benefited (and I'd appreciate there was no time) would have been to examine the state of Matt, Terry's little brother and also part of the Waller-generated Bat-spawn project. Would he become a new Robin? Nightwing?


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> I'm very curious to see how my fellow Bat fans feel about this episode. I've watched this episode several times already, with different personal opinions each time. I love the reference to the opening of "On Leather Wings"(as well as all the OTHER continuity references!)at the end(provides a sense of coming full circle/closure) second only to seeing Andrea Beaumont again. Do you:

First I'd just like to say that I like all the Batman animated shows. Each one brings something a little different to the table. With Batman Beyond, I got the sense that the world was darker than the Dark Knight himself. It was a very different Batman, but I liked it.

> A. Love this episode, and consider it part of the overall canon for the DC Animated Universe(especially the "Grey Ghost" reference), or
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> B. Are you disturbed by it, and consider it a questionable "What If...?" story?
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> C. Any combination of the above?

As far as any "future story" can ever be considered canon, I have no problems with this episode. If it turns out to be the "real" future, so much the better.

That there was manipulation going on to "produce the next Batman" is disturbing to me, but considering the world of Batman Beyond it seemed appropriate. While people maintained a semblance of a normal life, lawlessness (thanks to technology) seemed to be a real threat to what it meant to be human in that society. I don't want to say that it was "redefining it" because it seems like all the bad guys were the ones who allowed technology to change who they are into something... not entirely human anymore.

> D. Other thoughts I haven't mentioned.
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> My only real problem with the episode is the secretive manipulation of Warren McGinnis. It seems to me that some reincarnation was used here too, since Waller was looking for people who had near-identical/identical profiles as Bruce's parents.

I would say "selective breeding". It's uncomfortable because Batman is so used to being in control that we're not used to him being played like this. But considering the types of people he hangs out with....


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