I know their goals are dangerous but has'nt it always seemed to everyone else that these two would'nt be enough to make the rest of the DCU flinch considering everyone else around. I mean Darksied, Doomsday, General Zod, Arion (Camelot Falls), Black Mask, Eclipso, Intergang, The New Injustice League. Those are all people and groups with cataclysmic power at their disposal. Why does Batman always come off like every Ra's adventure could be his last. He's faced bigger and badder times 10.
Talia while more deadly lately (Since Death and The Maidens, although my favorite era for the character was when she was running Lexcorp) while crafty and villainous, how is she anywhere near as dangerous as Circe, Lady Styxx, Cheshire or any of the others that have killed or done a lot more damage than her?