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pgw




Just read Supes 668 last night, and there's some stuff I'm wondering about...

The kryptonite ring was destroyed during IC. Bats took a year off after that. Since then, though, he's been putting some time and effort into yet another side project (How does he have time for all this? I know, I know... He's Batman): finding a way to stop Superman, just in case. He's had enough time to do some pretty extensive R&D (heavy on the R, of course).

Thing is... He's got money, underworld contacts, and a fairly extensive information network. Black Mask was able, not too long ago, to put those three things together to get himself 100lbs of kryptonite. Now, even if that's no longer in continuity (and maybe that is best left buried, for several reasons), the point remains that Batman should have had no trouble replacing the ring by now, with some bigger chunks on the side.

So... why hasn't he? Or... did he, and it just didn't come up?

Is he researching alternatives because he doesn't want to have to use K? Or because he wants to be prepared in case an evil Superman from another universe (who would therefore be immune to native K) drops by again? Or... what? (Oh, and I'd probably be better off asking this on another board, but while I'm posting here... Does anyone know if Powergirl, who is from another universe, is [currently] immune to Earth-1 kryptonite?)

Also... Wasn't the entire point (or a major one, at the least) of IC/OYL that the good guys (and Batman in particular) had become too dark and paranoid? And yet here we have Batman doing secret anti-Superman research, and Superman knowing about it from having spied on him. And it hasn't even been a year since we saw Batman and Robin swing cheerfully over to the roof of Gotham Central, to be greeted by applause. What's the deal?

Oh, and speaking of that... Batman mutters to himself about lead-lining the cave to better shield his anti-Superman research, and then, in the same issue, invites Superman to watch what's happening on the cave's big screen from n many miles away. Granted, the shielding comment was at least half-joking. But still...

I don't know. Any thoughts, guys?

Paul




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> Just read Supes 668 last night, and there's some stuff I'm wondering about...
>
> The kryptonite ring was destroyed during IC. Bats took a year off after that. Since then, though, he's been putting some time and effort into yet another side project (How does he have time for all this? I know, I know... He's Batman): finding a way to stop Superman, just in case. He's had enough time to do some pretty extensive R&D (heavy on the R, of course).
>
> Thing is... He's got money, underworld contacts, and a fairly extensive information network. Black Mask was able, not too long ago, to put those three things together to get himself 100lbs of kryptonite. Now, even if that's no longer in continuity (and maybe that is best left buried, for several reasons), the point remains that Batman should have had no trouble replacing the ring by now, with some bigger chunks on the side.
>
> So... why hasn't he? Or... did he, and it just didn't come up?

Green K is too lethal. too dangerous. He's trying to come up with ways to stop Superman (or Zod etc), not kill him.

> Is he researching alternatives because he doesn't want to have to use K? Or because he wants to be prepared in case an evil Superman from another universe (who would therefore be immune to native K) drops by again? Or... what? (Oh, and I'd probably be better off asking this on another board, but while I'm posting here... Does anyone know if Powergirl, who is from another universe, is [currently] immune to Earth-1 kryptonite?)

I believe she is, her molecular structure isn't New Earth Kryptonian.

> Also... Wasn't the entire point (or a major one, at the least) of IC/OYL that the good guys (and Batman in particular) had become too dark and paranoid? And yet here we have Batman doing secret anti-Superman research, and Superman knowing about it from having spied on him. And it hasn't even been a year since we saw Batman and Robin swing cheerfully over to the roof of Gotham Central, to be greeted by applause. What's the deal?

At a guess it's a case of "I'm doing this, and he knows I'm doing this, and I know he knows I'm doing this, etc"

Consider that Batman was happy enough to discuss his results with Batman, and for Chris and Robin to have fun together.

> Oh, and speaking of that... Batman mutters to himself about lead-lining the cave to better shield his anti-Superman research,

I think that was in sardonic jest. Look at Robin's face in that shot.



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pgw





> Green K is too lethal. too dangerous. He's trying to come up with ways to stop Superman (or Zod etc), not kill him.

Hmm. That's a point. Would have made more sense to me if they hadn't taken time to specifically mention that the research was prompted by the destruction of the ring, but it does make sense.

> > (Oh, and I'd probably be better off asking this on another board, but while I'm posting here... Does anyone know if Powergirl, who is from another universe, is [currently] immune to Earth-1 kryptonite?)
>
> I believe she is, her molecular structure isn't New Earth Kryptonian.

Thanks. \:\)

> > Also... Wasn't the entire point (or a major one, at the least) of IC/OYL that the good guys (and Batman in particular) had become too dark and paranoid? And yet here we have Batman doing secret anti-Superman research, and Superman knowing about it from having spied on him. And it hasn't even been a year since we saw Batman and Robin swing cheerfully over to the roof of Gotham Central, to be greeted by applause. What's the deal?
>
> At a guess it's a case of "I'm doing this, and he knows I'm doing this, and I know he knows I'm doing this, etc"
>
> Consider that Batman was happy enough to discuss his results with Batman, and for Chris and Robin to have fun together.

See, that's not exactly how I read it. Batman, joking aside, did not seem happy that Superman knew about his research. And he definitely did not seem happy about sharing it. In the end, trust and respect won out, but he needed some convincing.

> I think that was in sardonic jest. Look at Robin's face in that shot.

I read that expression as "Ha-ha! Busted!" A reaction to Superman knowing about it, more than Batman's reaction.

And yes, like I said, I realize it was at least half in jest, but I'm guessing that underneath the joke, he was partly serious. I wouldn't be surprised if he did build a lead-lined lab/armory off in some corner of the cave.

Paul




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darth-sinister




> Just read Supes 668 last night, and there's some stuff I'm wondering about...
>
> The kryptonite ring was destroyed during IC. Bats took a year off after that. Since then, though, he's been putting some time and effort into yet another side project (How does he have time for all this? I know, I know... He's Batman): finding a way to stop Superman, just in case. He's had enough time to do some pretty extensive R&D (heavy on the R, of course).
>
> Thing is... He's got money, underworld contacts, and a fairly extensive information network. Black Mask was able, not too long ago, to put those three things together to get himself 100lbs of kryptonite. Now, even if that's no longer in continuity (and maybe that is best left buried, for several reasons), the point remains that Batman should have had no trouble replacing the ring by now, with some bigger chunks on the side.
>
> So... why hasn't he? Or... did he, and it just didn't come up?

Lex obtained a lot of the Green Kryptonite for when he was raising Admiral Dru-Zod's warship in "Up, Up & Away". According to Lex, he had wanted more, but he would have to do with what was available. Which sounds like he had what Black Mask had aquired, plus more. The Kryptonite he had, as far as we know, is gone. He later found one chunk of green and three of the other color, to use to repower Metallo. As far as we know, until more chunks of Green Kryptonite land on Earth, there's a shortage of that. Gold is a last resort and probably not as easily found. So Batman has opted to go the non-lethal route, just as he did in "Tower Of Babel". He only tells Superman because it comes back to issues of trust. Clark gave Bruce the Kryptonite ring because he trusted that Bruce would use it without hesitation. Everyone else would, but he wouldn't. It was never used until "Sacrifice" and then again in "Infinite Crisis". Though Clark did use it to knock out Kara once.


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pgw




> Lex obtained a lot of the Green Kryptonite for when he was raising Admiral Dru-Zod's warship in "Up, Up & Away". According to Lex, he had wanted more, but he would have to do with what was available. Which sounds like he had what Black Mask had aquired, plus more.

Black Mask's was multi-colored. More importantly, however... didn't Jason Todd blow it up?

> The Kryptonite he had, as far as we know, is gone.

Ah, so even more gone.

> He later found one chunk of green and three of the other color, to use to repower Metallo. As far as we know, until more chunks of Green Kryptonite land on Earth, there's a shortage of that.

Interesting. I hope that continues.

> Gold is a last resort and probably not as easily found.

Yeah, good point.

> So Batman has opted to go the non-lethal route, just as he did in "Tower Of Babel". He only tells Superman because it comes back to issues of trust. Clark gave Bruce the Kryptonite ring because he trusted that Bruce would use it without hesitation. Everyone else would, but he wouldn't.

Right. Trust that he'd use it if necessary... and wouldn't abuse it if not.

> It was never used until "Sacrifice" and then again in "Infinite Crisis". Though Clark did use it to knock out Kara once.

Batman used it when Poison Ivy took over Superman's mind a year or two ago. I don't think that was part of "Sacrifice," was it?

Paul




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