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I was just browsing the thread below this which indicated that Jason Todd would be a contender for the Batman mantle if it were to become available which made me wonder:

When did Jason become a good guy?

The last I read about him, I believe it was in a few issues of Nightwing (probably a year ago, maybe longer), he was somewhat crazy and he was busy trying to mess up Dick's life. Also, how did he come back to life?

Also:

How did Jason die? Did Joker beat him to death with a crow bar? or did he die in an explosion while trying to save his mom? (which is what I seem to recall reading somewhere).

Thanks.


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> I was just browsing the thread below this which indicated that Jason Todd would be a contender for the Batman mantle if it were to become available which made me wonder:
>
> When did Jason become a good guy?

He never really did. After his Nightwing debacle, he showed up again to confront Duella Dent, the Joker's Daughter and prevent her kidnapping someone, a few minutes later Duella was killed, and he started investigating why, and by whom. He met up with Donna and because he hasn't killed anyone recently, she seems to think that was enough to earn him a second chance.

No, it doesn't make any sense, but such is life.

> The last I read about him, I believe it was in a few issues of Nightwing (probably a year ago, maybe longer), he was somewhat crazy and he was busy trying to mess up Dick's life.

Yes, he's been psycho since he returned, and messing up Dick's life was one of the weirder ideas. It's been suggested that the writer on that story, Bruce Jones, had originally been hired to right Nightwing on the assumption that Jason would be filling the role (Since Dick was originally destined to die in "Infinite Crisis") and then had to frantically rewrite the whole thing to use Dick.

>Also, how did he come back to life?

This is one that never get any less silly. Superboy Prime was punching the walls of the dimension he was trapped in, trying to escape. This caused ripples in spacetime. One of these ripples caused a change in reality. Turns out Jason was never meant to die, he was supposed to survive the Joker's attack, so the punch corrected the timeline. Therefor some time after his "death" Jason suddenly found himself alive... but due to a few wrinkles still in the timeline he was still badly injured and buried in his coffin. He managed to dig himself out, but was severely amnesiac and injured. He was eventually found by Talia (of all people) and she took care of him (as a potential pawn in her relationship with Batman) and eventually pushed him into a Lazarus Pit.

> Also:
>
> How did Jason die? Did Joker beat him to death with a crow bar? or did he die in an explosion while trying to save his mom? (which is what I seem to recall reading somewhere).

Both actually. The Joker beat him to near death with the crowbar then left the body to be blown up (along with his mother, a crooked doctor Joker had been working with) to cover his tracks. Turns out Jason wasn't quite dead from the


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d.




> > I was just browsing the thread below this which indicated that Jason Todd would be a contender for the Batman mantle if it were to become available which made me wonder:
> >
> > When did Jason become a good guy?

>
> He never really did. After his Nightwing debacle, he showed up again to confront Duella Dent, the Joker's Daughter and prevent her kidnapping someone, a few minutes later Duella was killed, and he started investigating why, and by whom. He met up with Donna and because he hasn't killed anyone recently, she seems to think that was enough to earn him a second chance.
>
> No, it doesn't make any sense, but such is life.
>
> > The last I read about him, I believe it was in a few issues of Nightwing (probably a year ago, maybe longer), he was somewhat crazy and he was busy trying to mess up Dick's life.
>
> Yes, he's been psycho since he returned, and messing up Dick's life was one of the weirder ideas. It's been suggested that the writer on that story, Bruce Jones, had originally been hired to right Nightwing on the assumption that Jason would be filling the role (Since Dick was originally destined to die in "Infinite Crisis") and then had to frantically rewrite the whole thing to use Dick.
>
> >Also, how did he come back to life?
>
> This is one that never get any less silly. Superboy Prime was punching the walls of the dimension he was trapped in, trying to escape. This caused ripples in spacetime. One of these ripples caused a change in reality. Turns out Jason was never meant to die, he was supposed to survive the Joker's attack, so the punch corrected the timeline. Therefor some time after his "death" Jason suddenly found himself alive... but due to a few wrinkles still in the timeline he was still badly injured and buried in his coffin. He managed to dig himself out, but was severely amnesiac and injured. He was eventually found by Talia (of all people) and she took care of him (as a potential pawn in her relationship with Batman) and eventually pushed him into a Lazarus Pit.
>
> > Also:
> >
> > How did Jason die? Did Joker beat him to death with a crow bar? or did he die in an explosion while trying to save his mom? (which is what I seem to recall reading somewhere).
>
> Both actually. The Joker beat him to near death with the crowbar then left the body to be blown up (along with his mother, a crooked doctor Joker had been working with) to cover his tracks. Turns out Jason wasn't quite dead from the


they better not kill off bruce bruce is the only bat nuff said

how aabout superdork or wonder gal


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kuru




> > > I was just browsing the thread below this which indicated that Jason Todd would be a contender for the Batman mantle if it were to become available which made me wonder:
> > >
> > > When did Jason become a good guy?
>
yeah i was wondering tha same thing when i was reading countdown from what i noticed jason is written completely different depending on the writer judd winnick writers him kind of wanna be crime lord in nighwing as you said he was a nutcase vigilante in countdown he was tough a nails crime fighter i stopped trying to keep up but good luck to you


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Sean-Piers




Jason was always a good guy. His storyline in last year's Nightwing was the best story that title has seen in years. I think JT is the most interesting character in the DCU right now.


> > > > I was just browsing the thread below this which indicated that Jason Todd would be a contender for the Batman mantle if it were to become available which made me wonder:
> > > >
> > > > When did Jason become a good guy?
> >
> yeah i was wondering tha same thing when i was reading countdown from what i noticed jason is written completely different depending on the writer judd winnick writers him kind of wanna be crime lord in nighwing as you said he was a nutcase vigilante in countdown he was tough a nails crime fighter i stopped trying to keep up but good luck to you


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> Jason was always a good guy.

Murder and attempted murder do not qualify ANYONE as a good guy, least of all a member of the Bat-clan.

>His storyline in last year's Nightwing was the best story that title has seen in years.

Blink... blink... You mean there was someone out there who actually LIKED the Bruce Jones run? Well, in an infinite universe I suppose everything has to occur somewhere.

I mean, mazel tov on enjoying it, but.... really? Even ignoring the utter mishandling of Dick and looking only at Jason. Jason impersonating Dick for no readily comprehensible reason? The whole amorphous shapeshifting Jason monster thing?



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Tripod




> Jason was always a good guy. His storyline in last year's Nightwing was the best story that title has seen in years. I think JT is the most interesting character in the DCU right now.


Jason Todd has barely been a good guy since crisis on Infinite worlds. He was boarder line psychotic, until they brought him back as truly psychotic. (I personally view beheading six people and carrying them around in a bag psychotic.)
Regardless of what a very, very few might think the Bruce Jones run was universal condemned as very bad....In all area's. Plot, dialogue, plausibility and characterization were all very poor. Even most Jason Todd fans have thought that.


Now DC have changed him in to a Jack Bauer rip off just to follow a current trend, when in the old days they set them. To me Jason Todd is superfluous character who has been created to satisfy a need in some bat fans to see them kill. They are in black so they must be killers. It would be cooler if they killed.... like it would make them somehow better, like killing for shows how strong they are.

Most superheros are written with powers and abilities that would making killing extremely easy for them. They wouldn't have to extend themselves in any way to do it, and they are given more than enough provocation to do so. It's just that it is a line that they will not cross. Otherwise they will just add the misery of the villains deeds, and vindicate the actions of the villains they are trying to stop.

Even if they bat clan hated guns that are other weapons that could use to kill and indeed they have them. They just have the strength of character not to use them and unless as a very last resort. Hell, all of them could kill bare handed if they choose to.

Bruce, Dick and Tim are not weak people. Being good is difficult being and villain is easy. Jason Todd is weak.

Most dictators when that rise to power normally start off with good intentions, until their power reaches beyond most people, and they answer to know one. Then they're ideals become self-righteous and absolute. Then the suffering starts.

Jason Todd only does what comes easy to him, as he lost the battle with himself ages ago. He is a terrible character IMO!


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