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what's everyone's opinion on the current Ra's storyline? i was really looking forward to it but it's not really done anything for me yet, was curious what everyone else thought.


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Dude458




I just want it to be over so i can get back to Dini's one and done Detective issues.


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Omar Karindu




> what's everyone's opinion on the current Ra's storyline? i was really looking forward to it but it's not really done anything for me yet, was curious what everyone else thought.

It's been a fairly dull story so far, to be honest, with what should be big bombshells (The Sensei is Ra's' father? Ra's can return from death in spirit form?) being dropped in perfunctory fashion, so that neither the characters nor the reader can take a deep breath and gape in wonder or surprise. It's too rapidly-paced and has too many writers handing back and forth to properly pace and execute those sorts of epic revelations, and too supernaturally-tinged and pseudo-epical to be a martial arts extravaganza of the Chuck Dixon sort. And it's trying to be both at once.

Put briefly, this is a story in which a massive three-way battle in an eternal, mystical hidden land next to the fountain of youth comes off as three guys sparring next to a pond in front of some generic monks. Zombie Ra's ought to be spookier and his possessions subtler, the Sensei ought to have been more creepily wizened and deceptively powerful, and Nanda Parbat more breathtaking; or alternately, the mysticism and quest aspects ought to have been removed in favor of a madcap chase through a more conventional sort of pulp world.

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Matt




> what's everyone's opinion on the current Ra's storyline? i was really looking forward to it but it's not really done anything for me yet, was curious what everyone else thought.

I'm intrigued by Robin's current ordeal. Tim has gone through a lot in the last couple of years, with Stephanie and his father dying, and Connor and Bart sacrificing themselves to save the world. a part of me can't blame him for allying himself with Ra's so he can get his loved ones back, but another part of me is thinking "he's gone crazy".


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> > what's everyone's opinion on the current Ra's storyline? i was really looking forward to it but it's not really done anything for me yet, was curious what everyone else thought.
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> I'm intrigued by Robin's current ordeal. Tim has gone through a lot in the last couple of years, with Stephanie and his father dying, and Connor and Bart sacrificing themselves to save the world. a part of me can't blame him for allying himself with Ra's so he can get his loved ones back, but another part of me is thinking "he's gone crazy".

Except he's not dealing with Ra's, he turned Ra's down on his offer, and he knows that Ra's would probably have kept his word (in his own way). What's really odd is that he then went to see and bargain with the White Ghost guy, who is a completely unknown quantity with no reason for anyone to trust him.


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Goblin




> what's everyone's opinion on the current Ra's storyline? i was really looking forward to it but it's not really done anything for me yet, was curious what everyone else thought.

The good thing about DC doing this as a crossover is that we're getting through the story arc in 2 months rather than 8. I don't think the story's strong enough to put up with for 8 months.

But then again, this story would probably be stronger if it wasn't a crossover and being written entirely by Morrison or Dini. The quality of writing isn't steady. Transitioning from a Batman chapter to a Robin chapter is like being clubbed in the head considering how much characterization and things seem to go suddenly downhill.

Basically, the story has a lot of big ideas -- quest for Nanda Parbat's immortality, behind the scenes revelations of Ra's al Ghul's family, Robin faced with the secrets to life and death, Batman dying and returning, etc. But it all falls flat because the execution isn't supporting it.

Hopefully the story doesn't end with just Ra's al Ghul being resurrected and returned to his usual role without any of other ideas being executed well. Then this story was ultimately pointless, because all we really needed to read to get that was the title.


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> But then again, this story would probably be stronger if it wasn't a crossover and being written entirely by Morrison or Dini. The quality of writing isn't steady. Transitioning from a Batman chapter to a Robin chapter is like being clubbed in the head considering how much characterization and things seem to go suddenly downhill.


...it's been a joy, as Fabian Nicieza writing Dick as competent, confident and just that darned GOOD at his job has been a refreshing reminder of what the character can be like!


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Goblin




> > But then again, this story would probably be stronger if it wasn't a crossover and being written entirely by Morrison or Dini. The quality of writing isn't steady. Transitioning from a Batman chapter to a Robin chapter is like being clubbed in the head considering how much characterization and things seem to go suddenly downhill.
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> ...it's been a joy, as Fabian Nicieza writing Dick as competent, confident and just that darned GOOD at his job has been a refreshing reminder of what the character can be like!

I'm glad that Fabian is writing the next chapter. I have high hopes that he'll pull off the Nightwing/Robin confrontation pretty well. He's the only writer involved with this crossover I'd want to see handling it except for probably Dini.


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Thatguy




There are no cunning twists, no real dangers, nothing all that compelling overall that grabs ya.

Talia hires three has-beens to save her son instead of someone actually skilled, Ras throws non descript ninjas to retrieve Damien and instead of choosing between Tim or Damien, Batman proposes an alternative so obvious that the Sensei saw it coming, and utilizes a plot devise pulled out of nowhere (I bet Vic Sage woulda loved to have used that Fountain of Life).

I always got the impression that the first Ras vs. League war that this one mimics, there was actual at least the impression of danger. Here...everyone seems settled into the story's conclusion before it's actually done.


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