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Hamner




So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:


- The drug charges against Thomas Wayne will turn out to be real. The Wayne family reputation will have been ruined by the events of R.I.P.

- R.I.P. will end with a callback to the ending to the Knightfall saga, where Bruce told Jean-Paul that he was Bruce Wayne, and Batman was just a mask. Devastated mentally and physically by the Danse Macabre, after Bruce defeats Dr. Hurt, he will suffer a complete emotional breakdown. Tim will call Julie Madison who will arrive and in an emotional scene, a tearful Bruce will beg his first love to "save me."

- R.I.P. will end with a shot of Bruce and Julie working for the Peace Corps. in a devastated village in Darfur. The final shot will be of Bruce handing out food rations to starving children while Julie looks on, smiling and the narration will read "My name is Bruce Wayne. Once, I helped people as The Batman, but now I help people under my real name. Someday, a long time from now, maybe The Bat will return, but for right now I'm content to just find out who Bruce Wayne really is."

- Tim will take over as Batman, while Dick is seperated more from the Bat-Family to focus on Starfire and Titans.

- Stephanie Brown will once again become the new Robin, and will take over as the main character of the Robin solo series.

- Alfred will have been beaten to death by Monsieur Le Bossu and his thugs.

- Tim and Steph will operate largely independently of the old Bat-Family. Tim will use his dad's old house as his HQ while Steph operates out of her mother's home. Tim and Steph will be equal partners rather than hero-sidekick.

- This will mark the end of Bruce Wayne as a central character in the DCU for the next few years as Tim takes over as Batman in both the Bat titles and the JLA. The Outsiders and Titans will be cancelled while Teen Titans sees a roster that is a hybrid of past and present incarnations with Nightwing, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Cyborg joining Wonder Girl, and the HIV-positive Speedy to reflect a "classic" line-up of sorts of superhero sidekicks. The Puppet Master will also return to his early 80's costume.



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Blue Jay




> So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
>

Batman dies in horrific agony.

Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.

Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.


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> So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
>
>
> - The drug charges against Thomas Wayne will turn out to be real. The Wayne family reputation will have been ruined by the events of R.I.P.

What does that gain?

> - R.I.P. will end with a callback to the ending to the Knightfall saga, where Bruce told Jean-Paul that he was Bruce Wayne, and Batman was just a mask. Devastated mentally and physically by the Danse Macabre, after Bruce defeats Dr. Hurt, he will suffer a complete emotional breakdown. Tim will call Julie Madison who will arrive and in an emotional scene, a tearful Bruce will beg his first love to "save me."
>
> - R.I.P. will end with a shot of Bruce and Julie working for the Peace Corps. in a devastated village in Darfur. The final shot will be of Bruce handing out food rations to starving children while Julie looks on, smiling and the narration will read "My name is Bruce Wayne. Once, I helped people as The Batman, but now I help people under my real name. Someday, a long time from now, maybe The Bat will return, but for right now I'm content to just find out who Bruce Wayne really is."

You are aware that Warner have a mega-mammoth movie with Bruce Wayne as Batman coming out?

> - Tim will take over as Batman, while Dick is seperated more from the Bat-Family to focus on Starfire and Titans.

So we'll have a Batman who is 5'7" tall? That'll scare the crooks... 'Call me "Mini-Bat"!'

> - Stephanie Brown will once again become the new Robin, and will take over as the main character of the Robin solo series.

Sorry, she's just not interesting enough for the role long term.

> - Alfred will have been beaten to death by Monsieur Le Bossu and his thugs.

Ick!

> - Tim and Steph will operate largely independently of the old Bat-Family. Tim will use his dad's old house as his HQ while Steph operates out of her mother's home. Tim and Steph will be equal partners rather than hero-sidekick.

So replacing Batman will be his 16 year old sidekick and Steph, who was always well intentioned, but never that skilled? Suddenly the criminal life looks more profitable in Gotham again

> - This will mark the end of Bruce Wayne as a central character in the DCU for the next few years as Tim takes over as Batman in both the Bat titles and the JLA. The Outsiders and Titans will be cancelled while Teen Titans sees a roster that is a hybrid of past and present incarnations with Nightwing, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Cyborg joining Wonder Girl, and the HIV-positive Speedy to reflect a "classic" line-up of sorts of superhero sidekicks. The Puppet Master will also return to his early 80's costume.

Well, as long as the Puppet Master its okay....


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Hamner




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> You are aware that Warner have a mega-mammoth movie with Bruce Wayne as Batman coming out?

And as we've seen with Spider-Man and Iron Man and Fantastic Four, etc., the status quo of a comic has no impact on the movie. Or rather, the success of a comic book movie has no impact on the success of the comic. It's not like sales on all the Bat-titles shot up by 100,000 units after Batman Begins as "new fans" who saw the movie started reading the comics afterwards.
>

>
> Steph, who was always well intentioned, but never that skilled? Suddenly the criminal life looks more profitable in Gotham again

It's basically being retconned as we speak that she's at least as skilled as Robin, as seen in Wednesday's special.


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> > Steph, who was always well intentioned, but never that skilled? Suddenly the criminal life looks more profitable in Gotham again
>
> It's basically being retconned as we speak that she's at least as skilled as Robin, as seen in Wednesday's special.

I hope not. She can hold her own in a street fight fine, but she lacks Tim's smarts (especially in deduction) and experience.


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Sourcemole




> > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> >
>
> Batman dies in horrific agony.
>
> Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
>
> Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.

amen to that \:\-D


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darth-sinister




> > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> >
>
> Batman dies in horrific agony.
>
> Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
>
> Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.


The only way to end crime forever is to nuke the whole city. Because you cannot ever eradicate crime. You have to eradicate mankind to get rid of crime. That's why the tagline in the Superman mythos is "The Never Ending Battle...", because it will never end. And as we've seen in "Batman Beyond", "DC 1 Million" and "Kingdom Come", crime will never go away. The world will always need Batman.


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Blue Jay




> > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > >
> >
> > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> >
> > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> >
> > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
>
>
> The only way to end crime forever is to nuke the whole city. Because you cannot ever eradicate crime. You have to eradicate mankind to get rid of crime. That's why the tagline in the Superman mythos is "The Never Ending Battle...", because it will never end. And as we've seen in "Batman Beyond", "DC 1 Million" and "Kingdom Come", crime will never go away. The world will always need Batman.

Those you cite are all alternate continuities.

Besides which who says crime cannot be eradicated?

In real life several nations have low to no crime rates.

Of course crime can be eradicated, maybe not forever, but at the very least for five years.


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darth-sinister




> > > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > > >
> > >
> > > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> > >
> > > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> > >
> > > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
> >
> >
> > The only way to end crime forever is to nuke the whole city. Because you cannot ever eradicate crime. You have to eradicate mankind to get rid of crime. That's why the tagline in the Superman mythos is "The Never Ending Battle...", because it will never end. And as we've seen in "Batman Beyond", "DC 1 Million" and "Kingdom Come", crime will never go away. The world will always need Batman.
>
> Those you cite are all alternate continuities.

To are alternate Earths, one is a potential future. True. But the point is still valid, he could not end crime in Gotham.


> Besides which who says crime cannot be eradicated?
>
> In real life several nations have low to no crime rates.

Yes, but it still exists in the US. And in many of those nations, the penalties are strict. In some nations, you cut off a person's limbs for stealing.

> Of course crime can be eradicated, maybe not forever, but at the very least for five years.

Which would then result in Batman coming out of retirement as soon as crime returns, thus rendering his retirement pointless. To truly stop crime, wipe out humanity and Bruce doesn't have the stones to do it.


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d.




> > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > >
> >
> > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> >
> > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> >
> > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
>
> amen to that \:\-D

yes amen -


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CensusTaker




> > > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > > >
> > >
> > > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> > >
> > > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> > >
> > > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
> >
> > amen to that \:\-D
>
> yes amen -

Yes, amen, this current run with actually stuff happening and batman facing obsticles that arent easy to overcome is just the worst. Its making my brain hurt. I cant wait for something more predictable and staid.

Dang, there goes another one.


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CensusTaker




> > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> >
>
> Batman dies in horrific agony.
>
> Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
>
> Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.


See, I just dont get where you're coming from BJ, to me Morrison's run has felt almost like a direct continuation of Neil Adams stuff- the return to the jet setting ways, more use of Bruce Wayne as a seperate character, actually having a girl friend- and the relationship getting `serious' way to quickly I might add-, new villains coming out of the woodwarok etc etc all seam to be lifted straight from Adams play book, and, I dig Englehart but he only wrote what, 8 issues of Detective plus the Dark Detective mini? Both good stories sure, bud hardly enough of a body of Batman work to consider it untouchably sacred. and Wagner's stuff, as good as it is, has the advantage of being set outside the regular time flow of ongoing DC universe, so he had the liberty of setting and telling his Batman stories where he wanted to, without having to worry about an ongoing narative, so its hardly a fair comparison. I mean, I know you seam to steadfastly misinterpret even your supposedly favourite Batman story, so, is your distaste for Morrison merely a matter of impatience or lack of hindsite, or what? I mean, I know everyone has different taste, but, yeah, i just dont get what you dont like about it. And dont jsut say `bad writing', cause its too easy for me to interpret that as `bad comprehension skills'.


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CensusTaker




> > > > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> > > >
> > > > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
> > >
> > >
> > > The only way to end crime forever is to nuke the whole city. Because you cannot ever eradicate crime. You have to eradicate mankind to get rid of crime. That's why the tagline in the Superman mythos is "The Never Ending Battle...", because it will never end. And as we've seen in "Batman Beyond", "DC 1 Million" and "Kingdom Come", crime will never go away. The world will always need Batman.
> >
> > Those you cite are all alternate continuities.
>
> To are alternate Earths, one is a potential future. True. But the point is still valid, he could not end crime in Gotham.
>
>
> > Besides which who says crime cannot be eradicated?
> >
> > In real life several nations have low to no crime rates.
>
> Yes, but it still exists in the US. And in many of those nations, the penalties are strict. In some nations, you cut off a person's limbs for stealing.

Of course those countries actually have higher and not lower crime rates than countries with more liberal legal systems.
>
> > Of course crime can be eradicated, maybe not forever, but at the very least for five years.
>
> Which would then result in Batman coming out of retirement as soon as crime returns, thus rendering his retirement pointless. To truly stop crime, wipe out humanity and Bruce doesn't have the stones to do it.


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CesusTaker




> > > Steph, who was always well intentioned, but never that skilled? Suddenly the criminal life looks more profitable in Gotham again
> >
> > It's basically being retconned as we speak that she's at least as skilled as Robin, as seen in Wednesday's special.
>
> I hope not. She can hold her own in a street fight fine, but she lacks Tim's smarts (especially in deduction) and experience.

Well expereince obvious comes with time; Tim wasnt as experience as Steff is now when he started, and as for smarts, well she is ClueMasters daughter; he wasnt a complete idoit and im sure neither is steff.


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> > > > Steph, who was always well intentioned, but never that skilled? Suddenly the criminal life looks more profitable in Gotham again
> > >
> > > It's basically being retconned as we speak that she's at least as skilled as Robin, as seen in Wednesday's special.
> >
> > I hope not. She can hold her own in a street fight fine, but she lacks Tim's smarts (especially in deduction) and experience.
>
> Well expereince obvious comes with time;

Provided you live that long, sure.

>Tim wasnt as experience as Steff is now when he started,

Yes, and he trained intensively before Bruce let him function as Robin

>and as for smarts, well she is ClueMasters daughter; he wasnt a complete idoit and im sure neither is steff.

Sorry but "not a complete idiot" is hardly good enough to be Robin. \:\) (And there'd be some debate on how smart Cluemaster ever was)


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SourceMole




> > > > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> > > >
> > > > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
> > >
> > > amen to that \:\-D
> >
> > yes amen -
>
> Yes, amen, this current run with actually stuff happening and batman facing obsticles that arent easy to overcome is just the worst. Its making my brain hurt. I cant wait for something more predictable and staid.
>
>

you mean stuff that are basically a rehash of old batman stories? more specifically the untold legend of batman?

what morrison is doing isnt really that new. he just adds lots of things that DO make my brain hurt to make it seem new. and morrison fanboys are lapping it up.


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SourceMole




> > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > >
> >
> > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> >
> > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> >
> > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
>
>
> See, I just dont get where you're coming from BJ, to me Morrison's run has felt almost like a direct continuation of Neil Adams stuff- the return to the jet setting ways, more use of Bruce Wayne as a seperate character, actually having a girl friend- and the relationship getting `serious' way to quickly I might add-, new villains coming out of the woodwarok etc etc all seam to be lifted straight from Adams play book, and, I dig Englehart but he only wrote what, 8 issues of Detective plus the Dark Detective mini? Both good stories sure, bud hardly enough of a body of Batman work to consider it untouchably sacred. and Wagner's stuff, as good as it is, has the advantage of being set outside the regular time flow of ongoing DC universe, so he had the liberty of setting and telling his Batman stories where he wanted to, without having to worry about an ongoing narative, so its hardly a fair comparison. I mean, I know you seam to steadfastly misinterpret even your supposedly favourite Batman story, so, is your distaste for Morrison merely a matter of impatience or lack of hindsite, or what? I mean, I know everyone has different taste, but, yeah, i just dont get what you dont like about it. And dont jsut say `bad writing', cause its too easy for me to interpret that as `bad comprehension skills'.

oh no! not the old "if you dont understand what the heck is happening in a morrison story then you must be stupid" routine! \:\-D
just kidding....with a little truth sprinkled in \:\-D


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darth-sinister




> > > > > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
> > > >
> > > > amen to that \:\-D
> > >
> > > yes amen -
> >
> > Yes, amen, this current run with actually stuff happening and batman facing obsticles that arent easy to overcome is just the worst. Its making my brain hurt. I cant wait for something more predictable and staid.
> >
> >
>
> you mean stuff that are basically a rehash of old batman stories? more specifically the untold legend of batman?
>
> what morrison is doing isnt really that new. he just adds lots of things that DO make my brain hurt to make it seem new. and morrison fanboys are lapping it up.

You're assuming that we're all just Morrision fanboys. Did you think that some of us are just, I dunno, Batman fans and enjoy what we're reading?


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SourceMole




> > > > > > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
> > > > >
> > > > > amen to that \:\-D
> > > >
> > > > yes amen -
> > >
> > > Yes, amen, this current run with actually stuff happening and batman facing obsticles that arent easy to overcome is just the worst. Its making my brain hurt. I cant wait for something more predictable and staid.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > you mean stuff that are basically a rehash of old batman stories? more specifically the untold legend of batman?
> >
> > what morrison is doing isnt really that new. he just adds lots of things that DO make my brain hurt to make it seem new. and morrison fanboys are lapping it up.
>
> You're assuming that we're all just Morrision fanboys. Did you think that some of us are just, I dunno, Batman fans and enjoy what we're reading?

im not assuming anything, i was saying that the morrison fanboys are lapping it up. i never said that there were no batman fans that were enjoying the story.


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CensusTaker




> > > > > Steph, who was always well intentioned, but never that skilled? Suddenly the criminal life looks more profitable in Gotham again
> > > >
> > > > It's basically being retconned as we speak that she's at least as skilled as Robin, as seen in Wednesday's special.
> > >
> > > I hope not. She can hold her own in a street fight fine, but she lacks Tim's smarts (especially in deduction) and experience.
> >
> > Well expereince obvious comes with time;
>
> Provided you live that long, sure.
>
> >Tim wasnt as experience as Steff is now when he started,
>
> Yes, and he trained intensively before Bruce let him function as Robin

nd presuambly Steph would have to prove herself (properly this time- last time was rushed because Tim had quit) if she was ever to become Robin again.
>
> >and as for smarts, well she is ClueMasters daughter; he wasnt a complete idoit and im sure neither is steff.
>
> Sorry but "not a complete idiot" is hardly good enough to be Robin. \:\) (And there'd be some debate on how smart Cluemaster ever was)

The only thing we know for sure about Cluemaster is that he wasnt as clever as the Riddler. But thats like saying you dont punch as hard as George Forman, a long way from saying you cant punch! He was fairly sucessful for a time. Anyways, even if Steph doesnt have as much raw brains potential as Tim, well again, thats like saying someone doesnt have the natural gymnastic ability of Dick Grayson or the willingness to hit Batman in the guts with a tire-iron- or some other such act of fearless agression- of Jason Todd. She can learn.

Tht said, I dont want her to be Robin, or Tim or Dick or Jason to be Batman. (And no, I dotn want Jason dead either. Always liked him, glad he's back. Some of the stories he's been in since have sucked, but you can say tht about just about ll DC characters over the last five years).

RIP stnds for, Rest In Peace, yeah? Batman, RIP? Who said anything about someone dieing? Certainly not Morrison. Im picking he actually means it literally; Batman/Bruce, at the end of this story, will actually get a decent nights sleep for the first time since he was eight years old. And then he'll get up the next day and keep fighting the good fight; not because he has to but because he chooses too. And thats real.


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CensusTaker




> > > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > > >
> > >
> > > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> > >
> > > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> > >
> > > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
> >
> >
> > See, I just dont get where you're coming from BJ, to me Morrison's run has felt almost like a direct continuation of Neil Adams stuff- the return to the jet setting ways, more use of Bruce Wayne as a seperate character, actually having a girl friend- and the relationship getting `serious' way to quickly I might add-, new villains coming out of the woodwarok etc etc all seam to be lifted straight from Adams play book, and, I dig Englehart but he only wrote what, 8 issues of Detective plus the Dark Detective mini? Both good stories sure, bud hardly enough of a body of Batman work to consider it untouchably sacred. and Wagner's stuff, as good as it is, has the advantage of being set outside the regular time flow of ongoing DC universe, so he had the liberty of setting and telling his Batman stories where he wanted to, without having to worry about an ongoing narative, so its hardly a fair comparison. I mean, I know you seam to steadfastly misinterpret even your supposedly favourite Batman story, so, is your distaste for Morrison merely a matter of impatience or lack of hindsite, or what? I mean, I know everyone has different taste, but, yeah, i just dont get what you dont like about it. And dont jsut say `bad writing', cause its too easy for me to interpret that as `bad comprehension skills'.
>
> oh no! not the old "if you dont understand what the heck is happening in a morrison story then you must be stupid" routine! \:\-D
> just kidding....with a little truth sprinkled in \:\-D

Well, sometimes cliches develope for a reason. But seriously, I would never pull something like that. On anybody else. Its all about history, you see?


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CensusTaker




> > > > > > > > So what do you want the Batman status quo to be like after R.I.P.? Myself:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Batman dies in horrific agony.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then Batman awakens and discovers the whole Morrison run was just a toxic induced comma resulting from exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve Englehart, Matt Wagner, and Neal Adams begin a new run on Batman ignoring completely Morrison's horror and giving everyone the real Batman culminating in Batman retiring after bringing an end to crime in Gotham City for decades to come.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > amen to that \:\-D
> > > > >
> > > > > yes amen -
> > > >
> > > > Yes, amen, this current run with actually stuff happening and batman facing obsticles that arent easy to overcome is just the worst. Its making my brain hurt. I cant wait for something more predictable and staid.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > you mean stuff that are basically a rehash of old batman stories? more specifically the untold legend of batman?
> > >
> > > what morrison is doing isnt really that new. he just adds lots of things that DO make my brain hurt to make it seem new. and morrison fanboys are lapping it up.
> >
> > You're assuming that we're all just Morrision fanboys. Did you think that some of us are just, I dunno, Batman fans and enjoy what we're reading?
>
> im not assuming anything, i was saying that the morrison fanboys are lapping it up. i never said that there were no batman fans that were enjoying the story.

Hey, I'll admit to being a fan of Morrison, Invisbles for one was one of the 1st comcis to help get me over my Marvel or DC narrow mindedness of my early teens, but he's certainly not perfect, and there have been moments of weakness during the course of his run, but Id say the only `fanboy' here is Bluejay and his constant, repetitive, Englehart, Wagner, Moore and Adams are the only TRUE TRUE `definitive' Batman and EVERYTHING else written by ANYBODY is wrong wrong wrong ebil, out of character bad writing satan worshipping blashphemy, that makes its way into almost everything he posts. Bless his heart.


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