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What do you guys think of R.I.P so far? I think its confusing and not that great.


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Captain Kazmir




> What do you guys think of R.I.P so far? I think its confusing and not that great.

I'm enjoying the story, but agree its a bit confusing. Like this issue and Bruce seeming to have lost his memory and acting homeless. How did he get to this state ?? I actually checked the number on issue thinking I miss an issue.

I know he was drugged while fighting as Batman in a previous issue. And perhaps that is why he is acting this way. Which still don;t make sense. I would think Batman would purposely drug himself so his body would be able to counteract and fight off any type of foreign substance in his body.

Again its a interesting storyline but feel like its missing certain pieces


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jwd





> > What do you guys think of R.I.P so far? I think its confusing and not that great.
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> I'm enjoying the story, but agree its a bit confusing. Like this issue and Bruce seeming to have lost his memory and acting homeless. How did he get to this state ?? I actually checked the number on issue thinking I miss an issue.
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> I know he was drugged while fighting as Batman in a previous issue. And perhaps that is why he is acting this way. Which still don;t make sense. I would think Batman would purposely drug himself so his body would be able to counteract and fight off any type of foreign substance in his body.
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> Again its a interesting storyline but feel like its missing certain pieces

It took me a bit to figure it out. IIRC the end of the last one he was unconsious in the cave. the Black Glove whoever he is drugged him and had someone put him in the street. They kind of told the events out of order and didn't do a great job conveying all of this.

Also they didn't do great on the art and showing the characters different. I mean at the beginning for instance I wasn't sure if it was Dick, Jason or Tim that was there. It was until later in the issue I realized it was Tim.

No idea what's going on with Zrunwhathisname though. I mean is it Bruce? Is it Tim? Jason? Did Dick suddely escape from the pysche ward?

I think this story is overrated.






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found this reference to zur en arrh....not sure if it will shed any light on the current storyline...

http://planetzor.blogspot.com/2007/10/batman-of-zur-en-arrh.html


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SourceMole




> found this reference to zur en arrh....not sure if it will shed any light on the current storyline...
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> http://planetzor.blogspot.com/2007/10/batman-of-zur-en-arrh.html

knowing this wont make the mess that is batman RIP any better. somebody get morrison out of the batman comic please. taking obscure references and obscure characters out of DC's past WITHOUT explaning or introducing any of it properly with some sense and doing it just for the "coolness" factor takes the fun out of reading the comicbook. it feels like im back in school trying to do homework just to understand a story that isnt that great to begin with. if this was any other writer do you honestly think that you can say that it is a good story/comic? this is an example of why i think morrison is overrated.


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> knowing this wont make the mess that is batman RIP any better. somebody get morrison out of the batman comic please. taking obscure references and obscure characters out of DC's past WITHOUT explaning or introducing any of it properly with some sense and doing it just for the "coolness" factor takes the fun out of reading the comicbook.

Except the old stories aren't necessary, they're what's going through Batman's head as the story progresses. Are they hallucinations, real memories, warped versions of real memories? That's what we're going to find out.

>it feels like im back in school trying to do homework just to understand a story that isnt that great to begin with. if this was any other writer do you honestly think that you can say that it is a good story/comic?

There aren't many other writers I'd trust to try and make this work. Morrison is one of them. Even just taken without the psychedelic rambligns of Batman, Dr Hurt's range and scale of his plan is comprehensive and impressive (such as taking Nightwing out of the equation as completely as possible without doing any permanent damage to him)

Will it collapse in a mess? Possibly, but until the story is over, I won't presume that it will.


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jwd





> > knowing this wont make the mess that is batman RIP any better. somebody get morrison out of the batman comic please. taking obscure references and obscure characters out of DC's past WITHOUT explaning or introducing any of it properly with some sense and doing it just for the "coolness" factor takes the fun out of reading the comicbook.
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> Except the old stories aren't necessary, they're what's going through Batman's head as the story progresses. Are they hallucinations, real memories, warped versions of real memories? That's what we're going to find out.


That's my problem with it though. I'm more confused over the stories than enjoying them. Morrison is doing this simply for the "coolness" factor of it. Characters like the Zrun-whoever and ones like Libra over in Final Crisis. Heck even James Robinson over in Superman bringing back Atlas. I wouldn't of known any of these characters existed before if I didn't visit these boards. I would just think they're lame new characters the writers came up with and ones that don't interest me a lot.

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> >it feels like im back in school trying to do homework just to understand a story that isnt that great to begin with. if this was any other writer do you honestly think that you can say that it is a good story/comic?
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> There aren't many other writers I'd trust to try and make this work. Morrison is one of them. Even just taken without the psychedelic rambligns of Batman, Dr Hurt's range and scale of his plan is comprehensive and impressive (such as taking Nightwing out of the equation as completely as possible without doing any permanent damage to him)

I'm still trying to figure out what's the purpose in all of it. The motivation behind doing it and really I must of missed an issue because I can't figure out what caused Batman to go nuts in the first place.

> Will it collapse in a mess? Possibly, but until the story is over, I won't presume that it will.




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> I'm still trying to figure out what's the purpose in all of it. The motivation behind doing it and really I must of missed an issue because I can't figure out what caused Batman to go nuts in the first place.
>

The purpose of it all is that this is the end of Batman as we know him and the birth of a new Batman. It's a commentary on how Batman's changed over the years, just like the Joker has. It's a rebirth.


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SourceMole




> > I'm still trying to figure out what's the purpose in all of it. The motivation behind doing it and really I must of missed an issue because I can't figure out what caused Batman to go nuts in the first place.
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> The purpose of it all is that this is the end of Batman as we know him and the birth of a new Batman. It's a commentary on how Batman's changed over the years, just like the Joker has. It's a rebirth.

so far i have yet to see that, and im not really liking what ive seen so far which in my opinion is really bad storytelling in both the way the writer and the artist tries to convey the story.


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> That's my problem with it though. I'm more confused over the stories than enjoying them. Morrison is doing this simply for the "coolness" factor of it. Characters like the Zrun-whoever and ones like Libra over in Final Crisis. Heck even James Robinson over in Superman bringing back Atlas. I wouldn't of known any of these characters existed before if I didn't visit these boards. I would just think they're lame new characters the writers came up with and ones that don't interest me a lot.

I must admit I feel quite the opposite and have always done so. Whenever a "new" character popped up in one of the comics I was reading I got interested in learning more about the character (which is probably why Who's Who was one of my all-time favorite books when it came out). To me these ties to old Batman stories have made me want to seek those books out and see what they were all about even though I don't think it is actually important to have read them to get into the story. To me they are just icing on the cake (granted it would have been nice to have had some reprints of the books that are being referenced just so that everyone COULD get to read them if they wanted to)

And while having read Batman #113 might give you a clue as to who the Batman of Zur-En-Arrh is I don't really think it gives you a better clue of what is happening. Personally it feels like the more times I read the issues the more clues I find and when re-reading it again after having read the following issue or issues I keep finding more stuff. At first I was kinda underwhelmed by the current storyline but the further we get into it the more I like it and the more I keep going back to read the earlier issues to see what I missed.

I'm not sure this stuff should be in the main Batman book but I for one am quite enjoying the ride. I love books that have more layers to them so that you can come back to them and keep getting more out of them on repeated reads. I must say that Morrison's earlier storylines were more straight-forward and even though they had easter eggs and clues of all kinds you were still able to enjoy them on a more superficial level. Personally I'm inclined to think that this also had something to do with the choice of artists.

Tenz.



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Blue Jay




I agree.

You don't need to be a genius, to tell that Morrison is off his rocker, writing garbage thinking he is some genius for bringing in references from all the different Batman universes.


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darth-sinister




> > > I'm still trying to figure out what's the purpose in all of it. The motivation behind doing it and really I must of missed an issue because I can't figure out what caused Batman to go nuts in the first place.
> > >
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> > The purpose of it all is that this is the end of Batman as we know him and the birth of a new Batman. It's a commentary on how Batman's changed over the years, just like the Joker has. It's a rebirth.
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> so far i have yet to see that, and im not really liking what ive seen so far which in my opinion is really bad storytelling in both the way the writer and the artist tries to convey the story.


This is the climax of everything Morrison started way back in "52", when he had Bruce visit the Ten Eyed Man and his people to rip Batman out of him, so that he could start over. In doing that and then staying in Nanda Parbat, Bruce has left himself open to what is happening now. All of the stuff that has been going on since, is the result of that. This and what Granny is doing to him over in "Final Crsis" is why Bruce is like he is.


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SourceMole




> > > > I'm still trying to figure out what's the purpose in all of it. The motivation behind doing it and really I must of missed an issue because I can't figure out what caused Batman to go nuts in the first place.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The purpose of it all is that this is the end of Batman as we know him and the birth of a new Batman. It's a commentary on how Batman's changed over the years, just like the Joker has. It's a rebirth.
> >
> > so far i have yet to see that, and im not really liking what ive seen so far which in my opinion is really bad storytelling in both the way the writer and the artist tries to convey the story.
>
>
> This is the climax of everything Morrison started way back in "52", when he had Bruce visit the Ten Eyed Man and his people to rip Batman out of him, so that he could start over. In doing that and then staying in Nanda Parbat, Bruce has left himself open to what is happening now. All of the stuff that has been going on since, is the result of that. This and what Granny is doing to him over in "Final Crsis" is why Bruce is like he is.

i have seen no indication yet that what granny is doing in final crisis precedes this story so i dont know how that could affect what is happening in RIP. most likely final crisis happens after RIP.

as for RIP being the climax, it still doesnt make it a good read in my opinion, i have read 52 and the ten eyed man thing but that doesnt add anything to make what is happening now in RIP any more enjoyable. i for one want a coherent and ejoyable story conveyed properly, not just easter eggs in the form of random things plucked from the silver age batman stories that contribute really nothing to the story. and dont get me wrong, i love the silver age and love to see elements of it appear from time to time, but i want it done properly. and what i mean by properly is for it to a be fun and enjoyable read not a confusing and "i have to read the last issue to understand the previous 12 issues" kind of read.


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darth-sinister




> i have seen no indication yet that what granny is doing in final crisis precedes this story so i dont know how that could affect what is happening in RIP. most likely final crisis happens after RIP.

Morrison says that the two do synch up, it will be in a few months that we will see the tie-in. Besides, Batman's costume changes by the end of "R.I.P." and in "Final Crisis", it's the same one.



> as for RIP being the climax, it still doesnt make it a good read in my opinion, i have read 52 and the ten eyed man thing but that doesnt add anything to make what is happening now in RIP any more enjoyable. i for one want a coherent and ejoyable story conveyed properly, not just easter eggs in the form of random things plucked from the silver age batman stories that contribute really nothing to the story. and dont get me wrong, i love the silver age and love to see elements of it appear from time to time, but i want it done properly. and what i mean by properly is for it to a be fun and enjoyable read not a confusing and "i have to read the last issue to understand the previous 12 issues" kind of read.

Well, that's how a mystery sometimes goes.


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