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stingerman




The Return of Bruce Wayne Hits in April!

http://cosmicbooknews.com/news/robw


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little kon-el


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My thought about it is that Bruce Wayne doesn't relive different past lives, but instead had to find a way back to the present using a variety of time travel devices...ala the 1950s style Batman adventures where he was sent back in time on various adventures by Professor Carter Nichols. What if this is a sneaky way of bringing Batman back through time AND also ensuring that those wacky time travel stories in the past actually happened.

Personally, I'd love for Batman to knock Dave Knight in the head and take over as Starman in Opal City for a month.

- l.k.


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Covenant




My word!

What the hell is this?

Batman kills Darkseid and Darkseid's punishment is to make Batman an immortal god?

I thought Batman was a human detective, not an immortal god.

So Batman gets to live throughout all of history becoming a major historical figure? Shouldn't there had been historical Batman influences then? All of history should be completely different now.

Check this out.


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    Grant Morrison: "Batman needs to be eternally young, renewed like some pagan Fertility King to suit the changing tastes of his audience in each fresh generation. Batman can never grow old or die — and stories, no matter how good, which depict these events cannot be considered "canon." Batman was born in 1939 and would now be a sprightly 70-year-old if he aged like the rest of us. The "real" Batman, however, enjoys godlike immortality and must always be 30-ish moneyed orphan, Bruce Wayne, who dresses as a bat to fight crime. The trick is to tell stories which expand the limits of how far you can go and still maintain the integrity of the basic idea."


So Batman really is an immortal god now?

Well at least Morrison agrees that DC has no canon.


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BMK!




The story details of how Bruce Wayne bounces from time-to-time has yet to be revealed. The quote you pulled from the interview is Morrison speaking about Batman figuratively, not literally, as a character who needs to be reinvigorated to always remain relevant.

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Covenant




In other words Batman is literally an immortal god that can never age or die.

Last I checked the story details are that if Batman dies, he just gets reincarnated in a new fresh born baby body that looks just like a younger version of his original body with all his memories intact. He starts from the prehistoric times and continues reincarnating all the way to the present.

What more evidence do you need?


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BMK!




Say what?

Sounds like you're getting confused with what Morrison had stated and also applying "Whatever Happened to The Caped Crusader" by Neil Gaiman to the state of Batman's being. That particular story was more of a nod to the history of Batman and has no bearing on continuity.

-BMK!-


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darth-sinister





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    My word!



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    What the hell is this?



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    Batman kills Darkseid and Darkseid's punishment is to make Batman an immortal god?



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    I thought Batman was a human detective, not an immortal god.



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    So Batman gets to live throughout all of history becoming a major historical figure? Shouldn't there had been historical Batman influences then? All of history should be completely different now.



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    Check this out.



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      Grant Morrison: "Batman needs to be eternally young, renewed like some pagan Fertility King to suit the changing tastes of his audience in each fresh generation. Batman can never grow old or die — and stories, no matter how good, which depict these events cannot be considered "canon." Batman was born in 1939 and would now be a sprightly 70-year-old if he aged like the rest of us. The "real" Batman, however, enjoys godlike immortality and must always be 30-ish moneyed orphan, Bruce Wayne, who dresses as a bat to fight crime. The trick is to tell stories which expand the limits of how far you can go and still maintain the integrity of the basic idea."



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    So Batman really is an immortal god now?



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    Well at least Morrison agrees that DC has no canon.


No, that's not what he said at all. He's saying that the characters have to remain eternally young, which is what happened with almost all comic book characters and even newstrip characters. Look at the Peanuts characters. They stopped aging by 1966 and were enternally young through the last strips by Charles Schultz.

Batman and Superman both have to remain eternally 34, just as Charlie Brown has to remain 9 years old. And the word canon has quotes around it. He's saying that Batman could not make his public debut in 1939, no more than he could in 1986. But he's always been active for over a decade. A story from 1940 can have relevance in 2009, only it cannot be placed in 1940, but rather 1999.

The Omega Sanction makes a person live multiple lives, throughout history. With each one progressively worse than the last one. As he said, it is the death that is life. Bruce isn't immortal. He lives a whole life which is difficult and challenging, only to die and then be reborn again and to go through it all again, only it's worse than the last time. Darkseid did it to Shilo Norman, who only escaped because of the Motherboxxx. Bruce doesn't even have that.


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d




about time! so long fake batman!


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Olympian





Does THAT really need to come out as an actual plot device tho? Readers know, on a subscouncious level, that characters dont really age as we do, unless the writer makes it so. It all sounds like trying to explain why the Sun always rises up.

Not to mention it all sounds a bit Phantom-ish, wich only kills it further. Batman is no Phantom.


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darth-sinister




That's not his intention either. Morrison isn't saying Bruce is immortal. He's saying that the legend of Batman is timeless. The character will never age. He will never evolve like people evolve. The character will never become like he is in "The Dark Knight Returns", "Kingdom Come" and "Batman Beyond". He will always be the same character that he was in 1939. The same age. What's happening with Bruce's return has to do with how he adapts to different enviroments across different ages. Once he returns to the 21st century, we'll see how he deals with a return to normalcy.


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darth-sinister




Two things.

1. Dick isn't a fake. If anyone deserves to be the sucessor it's either Dick Grayson or Tim Drake.

2. Dick will still be Batman after Bruce's return.


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