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Brand Echh




Soldiers and police officers carry guns all the time. They have to. But they don't run charging forward with a pistol aimed blindly and their fingers on the trigger. That is no way for a professionally trained soldier or officer to act.

First off, whenever the gun is out, the index finger should be extended. No matter how well trained (or brainwashed) a person may be, accidents can happen. To avoid that, proper training suggests they keep their fingers off the trigger until they actually plan to fire.

Second, running with a handgun is kind of silly. Even if you were Hawkeye, handguns are meant for short range defense or aimed offense, not shotting wildly while running. An assault rifle, maybe. That's why those types of guns were invented, but a handgun? It just looks sloppy.

Someone running like that looks more like a gangsta than a trained soldier.

My two cents.


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FZ




> Soldiers and police officers carry guns all the time. They have to. But they don't run charging forward with a pistol aimed blindly and their fingers on the trigger. That is no way for a professionally trained soldier or officer to act.
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> First off, whenever the gun is out, the index finger should be extended. No matter how well trained (or brainwashed) a person may be, accidents can happen. To avoid that, proper training suggests they keep their fingers off the trigger until they actually plan to fire.
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> Second, running with a handgun is kind of silly. Even if you were Hawkeye, handguns are meant for short range defense or aimed offense, not shotting wildly while running. An assault rifle, maybe. That's why those types of guns were invented, but a handgun? It just looks sloppy.
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> Someone running like that looks more like a gangsta than a trained soldier.
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> My two cents.

No doubt, %100 correct. The only thing is the that , let's face it, those writing or drawing comics theses days, for the most part, don't know much about gun handling. Although, I always get the impression that Brubaker knows a bit about the military at least to know what you are writing. Of course, the art is by Ross, and 'artistic' license allows 'Bond' to drop from aircraft and not mess up his hair and Captain America able to handle a gun this way. \:D


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Jack Fan




> Soldiers and police officers carry guns all the time. They have to. But they don't run charging forward with a pistol aimed blindly and their fingers on the trigger. That is no way for a professionally trained soldier or officer to act.
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> First off, whenever the gun is out, the index finger should be extended. No matter how well trained (or brainwashed) a person may be, accidents can happen. To avoid that, proper training suggests they keep their fingers off the trigger until they actually plan to fire.
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> Second, running with a handgun is kind of silly. Even if you were Hawkeye, handguns are meant for short range defense or aimed offense, not shotting wildly while running. An assault rifle, maybe. That's why those types of guns were invented, but a handgun? It just looks sloppy.
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> Someone running like that looks more like a gangsta than a trained soldier.
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> My two cents.

Might you be being a little overly critical of what is basically a promotional picture (I'd be surprised to see Epting depict CA in these positions in the actual comic)? Maybe he's supposed to be actually shooting in the picture and that's why his finger is on the trigger . . . who knows?

In any event, I have no problem with the running and shooting - this is Captain America, after all. What's he supposed to do - come to a full stop every time he's going to shoot? Not very entertaining. Carrying an assault rifle, while more practical for shooting on the move, would also be too cumbersome and would restrict CA's movement too much.

While I hear you that the pic seems a little outlandish from a practical sense, a little suspension of disbelief is required here.


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Brand Echh




> Might you be being a little overly critical of what is basically a promotional picture (I'd be surprised to see Epting depict CA in these positions in the actual comic)?

Yes, I am being a little overly critical.

> Maybe he's supposed to be actually shooting in the picture and that's why his finger is on the trigger . . . who knows?

Again though, that type of gun isn't designed for that type of action.

> In any event, I have no problem with the running and shooting - this is Captain America, after all. What's he supposed to do - come to a full stop every time he's going to shoot? Not very entertaining.

Well no, but if he needed to be on the move and aiming at something, that's one thing. He's just running and aiming forward.

> Carrying an assault rifle, while more practical for shooting on the move, would also be too cumbersome and would restrict CA's movement too much.

Granted.

> While I hear you that the pic seems a little outlandish from a practical sense, a little suspension of disbelief is required here.

Well sure.

Obviously I'm overanalyzing, but the reason I brought this up has to do with the reader's acceptance of a new Cap, they should present him in the best light possible. To that end, it'd be nice if they showed this guy as someone trained in the use of a gun.

Punisher has extensive gun training, yet he always runs-and-guns. For his character, that's acceptable. He seems willing to assume anyone in front of him is guilty and deserves to die.

But for Cap, no matter who's in the suit, descression is called for.

I'd much rather have had him running with gun in hand, but with it not aimed at the reader.... but that's just me.



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GammaSpidey




Such technical aspects don't need 100% accuracy. The pic looks much cooler with him running and finger on the trigger.


> Soldiers and police officers carry guns all the time. They have to. But they don't run charging forward with a pistol aimed blindly and their fingers on the trigger. That is no way for a professionally trained soldier or officer to act.
>
> First off, whenever the gun is out, the index finger should be extended. No matter how well trained (or brainwashed) a person may be, accidents can happen. To avoid that, proper training suggests they keep their fingers off the trigger until they actually plan to fire.
>
> Second, running with a handgun is kind of silly. Even if you were Hawkeye, handguns are meant for short range defense or aimed offense, not shotting wildly while running. An assault rifle, maybe. That's why those types of guns were invented, but a handgun? It just looks sloppy.
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> Someone running like that looks more like a gangsta than a trained soldier.
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> My two cents.


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Brand Echh




> Such technical aspects don't need 100% accuracy. The pic looks much cooler with him running and finger on the trigger.

I dunno. To me it's a lot cooler to see Wolverine carry a katana like a samurai than it would be to see him swing it around like a claymore.

A little accuracy helps increase the appreciation of a comic book. I don't expect it to be true to life.. if I did, it'd be hard to get past the four-color costumes and small-yet-identity-consealing masks. Likewise, I wouldn't expect a cartoony comic, like say Sonic the Hedgehog, to have a remotely accurate depiction of the world, but a comic that presents itself as being grounded in reality, like say Captain America, should have a little more attention to detail.

Does this make me not want to buy or read the comic? Of course not. Is it reason enough to dislike the new look? Heck no.

I'm just sayin' a little more attention to detail would be nice.


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David Medinnus




> My two cents.

I'll reserve judgement until I see the comic, but in general, I agree with you; I'd like to see Cap, if he draws, use a gun correctly, and use the knife correctly as well... a little research goes a long way.



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Timothy Gagnon




It's called "Drawing Comics the "Marvel Way"!" You can get the book just about anywhere - but it is the "bible" to drawing comics for most serious comic artists. They use others, but they learned from this bok first.

Basically the book says this:

A real life Boxer throwing a punch actually doesn't look all that powerful. But it can knock a guy out cold and even out of the ring! But it LOOKS boring and often unimpressive. A MArvel character throwing a punch must be thrown with passion and impressive VISUAL IMPACT. If a boxer were to throw a punch like Spiderman or Daredevil, he would leave himself WIDE OPEN and get his head taken off! BUT, when daredevil throws a punch - every punch is a crazy, visually awesome haymaker! NOT realistic. If Daredevil was throwing a punch correctly you would yawn and go read Batman!

The image of Cap charging Gun first is for VISUAL IMPACT. First this new Cap HAS A GUN! That is a SHOCKING turn of events that the artist wanted to grab you with - so he put it right out front AND for added impact the finger IS ON the trigger - he either just fired or is about to fir that gun!

True anyboby who knows anything about handguns knows that this is wrong, but a Cap in the typical Firing stance of a Cop isn't as exciting as him charging in with gun blazing.

Compare UFC to WWE. One is real the other fake. In the UFC there are MANY fights that a guy gets knocked out, or taps out from something that doesn't look that powerful at all. Sometimes its a let down - but its REALITY. In the WWE, wrestlers telegraph each move, and overstate their punches, kicks and other attacks to "sell" it n TV - to make them and Pro Wrestling look "larger than life" and it works.

Vince McMahon and the WWE too a page out of Stan Lee's book!

This image of Cap may not be "coprrect procedure" but its a powerful image that tells a story in bold fasion "The Marvel Way"!


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Brand Echh




> It's called "Drawing Comics the "Marvel Way"!" You can get the book just about anywhere - but it is the "bible" to drawing comics for most serious comic artists. They use others, but they learned from this bok first.

You would have to quote scripture!

Can't argue with that.



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