Martian Manhunter Has read the File On Thanos so knows the Score, tracking him to his lair in New Mexico he prepares to engage the Mad Titan... Thanos has only minimal knowledge of his foe so how does it go

> > Martian Manhunter Has read the File On Thanos so knows the Score, tracking him to his lair in New Mexico he prepares to engage the Mad Titan... Thanos has only minimal knowledge of his foe so how does it go > > > >

fought against shape-shifters before and won, so there's really no reason to wonder about if he can against someone who can do both. He's even fought invisible opponents, opponents who are physically stronger than MM is. I really don't see Thanos having a problem dealing with MM.

I Post it as it's a reasonably competitive matchup, what's the big problem then?

The key here is the lack of preparation and knowledge for Thanos. As much as I love J'onn, if Thanos has prepared something for him I have to admit Thanos probably takes him down.

With J'onn catching him by surprise though, engaging him on multiple fronts (telepathically and physically), I think it is definitely possible for J'onn to defeat him.

~Hat~

> fought against shape-shifters before and won, so there's really no reason to wonder about if he can against someone who can do both. He's even fought invisible opponents, opponents who are physically stronger than MM is. I really don't see Thanos having a problem dealing with MM. > >

When Did Thanos face Stardust or Vision? I Don't recall any particular instances, in any case I've never seen the Martians Intangibility thwarted in the same way Visions has been...

> > > > Martian Manhunter Has read the File On Thanos so knows the Score, tracking him to his lair in New Mexico he prepares to engage the Mad Titan... Thanos has only minimal knowledge of his foe so how does it go > > > > > > > > > > The key here is the lack of preparation and knowledge for Thanos. As much as I love J'onn, if Thanos has prepared something for him I have to admit Thanos probably takes him down. > > With J'onn catching him by surprise though, engaging him on multiple fronts (telepathically and physically), I think it is definitely possible for J'onn to defeat him. > > ~Hat~

Dude, this match up isn't close no matter how you spin it.


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> > fought against shape-shifters before and won, so there's really no reason to wonder about if he can against someone who can do both. He's even fought invisible opponents, opponents who are physically stronger than MM is. I really don't see Thanos having a problem dealing with MM. > > > > > > When Did Thanos face Stardust or Vision? I Don't recall any particular instances, in any case I've never seen the Martians Intangibility thwarted in the same way Visions has been... >

> > > Dude, this match up isn't close no matter how you spin it. >

Then break it Down. Stop shouting your mouth off and come up with an intelligent reasoned response as to why the Martian with his varied abilities and an element of surprise can't *Possibly* Beat Thanos.

Tell us Why you think it so absurd...

that DC heroes are exponentially stronger and more durable than their Marvel counterparts this is not a contest. Thanos' eternal molecular control negates the Martain's phasing, his tech negates invisibility, his strength/durability has taken hits/blasts from Odin and Galactus, his mind has resisted probing from Moondragon w/infinity gem.

And that's just his defense.

Giving MM full knowledge of Thanos is nice but giving Thanos even a hint of who he has to face is just MURDER.

Seriously, Thanos 11/10.

> > > > > > > Dude, this match up isn't close no matter how you spin it. > > > > Then break it Down. Stop shouting your mouth off and come up with an intelligent reasoned response as to why the Martian with his varied abilities and an element of surprise can't *Possibly* Beat Thanos. > > Tell us Why you think it so absurd... > > > > > > > > > >

Man, if (Jon) is hit with just one blast from (Odin) he's "TOAST"!

> > > > Martian Manhunter Has read the File On Thanos so knows the Score, tracking him to his lair in New Mexico he prepares to engage the Mad Titan... Thanos has only minimal knowledge of his foe so how does it go > > > > > > > > > > The key here is the lack of preparation and knowledge for Thanos. As much as I love J'onn, if Thanos has prepared something for him I have to admit Thanos probably takes him down. > > With J'onn catching him by surprise though, engaging him on multiple fronts (telepathically and physically), I think it is definitely possible for J'onn to defeat him. > > ~Hat~

> > I Post it as it's a reasonably competitive matchup, what's the big problem then? >

Get your Portable ID!

his psi won't work offensively, his phasing won't really let him hurt Thanos, and his Martian Vision doesn't likely pack enough punch to be much of a factor...

BUT

Jonn has high end combat superspeed, is strong enough to affect him to some degree, has effective shapeshifting powers when they're used to their full ability that makes him kind of a juggernaught of destruction, his psi might let him 'read' what Thanos is doing like Fernus was able to do with the JLA, and his phasing COULD effectively protect him from most of Thanos' attacks.

As such, he would have a shot at winning a confrontation, especially if he took Thanos from surprise. Thanos is the definitive favorite, but IF Jonn fights him with all of his abilities in unison, he has a shot...

1. He's not going to touch Thanos' mind. No one has.
2. Thanos has dealt with the Runner w/space gem so speed isn't a huge factor against someone who got pwned in that department by Kara.
3. MM is not going to beat Thanos physically.
4. One ominidirectional blast and MM is on the floor. Thanos can also use tk/matter manip (or whatever he did to the Fallen One) and lobotomize J'Onn. Or he could just beat him to death like he did Surfer. Or bfr him like he did Champion.

I see no way for J'onn to ko Thanos. I see many ways for Thanos to kill J'onn.

I agree that MM has a shot the same way Surfer and Thor have a shot (Thor and Surfer having a higher chance due to superior EP over MM) but it would have to be these three fighting like they never fought before and pushing themselves 110% and even then I would only give them a 3/10 chance. Thanos has a looong history of being only beaten by super powers like Galactus or Odin or if he let's himself lose.

> his psi won't work offensively, his phasing won't really let him hurt Thanos, and his Martian Vision doesn't likely pack enough punch to be much of a factor... > > BUT > > Jonn has high end combat superspeed, is strong enough to affect him to some degree, has effective shapeshifting powers when they're used to their full ability that makes him kind of a juggernaught of destruction, his psi might let him 'read' what Thanos is doing like Fernus was able to do with the JLA, and his phasing COULD effectively protect him from most of Thanos' attacks. > > As such, he would have a shot at winning a confrontation, especially if he took Thanos from surprise. Thanos is the definitive favorite, but IF Jonn fights him with all of his abilities in unison, he has a shot... > > > > > > Martian Manhunter Has read the File On Thanos so knows the Score, tracking him to his lair in New Mexico he prepares to engage the Mad Titan... Thanos has only minimal knowledge of his foe so how does it go > > > > > > > that DC heroes are exponentially stronger and more durable than their Marvel counterparts this is not a contest. Thanos' eternal molecular control negates the Martain's phasing, his tech negates invisibility, his strength/durability has taken hits/blasts from Odin and Galactus, his mind has resisted probing from Moondragon w/infinity gem. > > > > And that's just his defense. > > > > Giving MM full knowledge of Thanos is nice but giving Thanos even a hint of who he has to face is just MURDER. > > > > Seriously, Thanos 11/10.

Thats people actively trying to pierce Thanos' mental defenses, however. Passively reading his thoughts is not an impossibility...maybe an improbability, but while Moondragon is VERY potent, Jonn's passive use of telepathy seems more consistently top end than hers, while her offensive use is more impressive than his.


IIRC Thanos used the time gem to beat the runner...and the Runner destroyed Thanos' ship in that conflict...so without the gem, Thanos was in trouble...oh, and Thanos had prep for that fight as well. As such, if MM starts nailing him, he can put Thanos on the defensive and make it a tough fight.

Spider Man has KO'd Firelord and had Eric Masterson Thor on the ropes. Jonn is hitting harder and faster, with dozens of limbs that can come to a point and hit like a sword striking him with near Superman level force. Yes, when Jonn fights that way (like he did against the amalgamated form of the Saturnians), he can certainly hurt, and even KO Thanos.

If MM is reacting faster than Thanos, he becomes intangible and the blast passes right through him. At his high end showings, the best Thanos can do with an attempt to 'lobotomize' Jonn will move Jonn's flesh around...he's regrown from a small portion of his body and his entire head has been caved in, and he simply recovered instantly. Jonn moves faster, evades Thanos' punches or phases through them, so Thanos has a hard time even hurting Jonn.

Jonn RARELY fights like that, but did a few times under Ostrander IIRC.
Oh, I see several ways of Thanos taking Jonn down as well, but when Jonn is operating at FULL efficiency, he has answers to ALL of those methods and yes, he DOES have the capacity for taking Thanos down.

Think Fernus.

> > Martian Manhunter Has read the File On Thanos so knows the Score, tracking him to his lair in New Mexico he prepares to engage the Mad Titan... Thanos has only minimal knowledge of his foe so how does it go > > > >

MM functionally has acted like Fernus in maybe 1% of his appearances. That wasn't the question posed. It's not like saying Thor with one sided prep attacks Thanos all out with god blasts, anti force, etc.

Fernus functions on a higher level. He is on the same relative level as Thanos. This fight would be much closer. In fact, I have a tough time picking a winner.

Lord Majestros:
IIRC, during "Avengers: Celestial Quest", Vision wasn't able to phase into one of Thanos's clones that was supposed to rival the original in power. I don't think Thanos has ever faced Stardust.

and fight to his full efficiency and effectiveness. To my knowledge, Fernus did this against the JLA, and Jonn did this maybe 2-3 times under Ostrander. Even then, I didn't make him the favorite against Thanos, just said he had a reasonable shot.

Jonn has the powerset to do it, but won't likely do so. If he doesn't utilize his full powerset effectively, Jonn goes down hard.

> > > > his psi won't work offensively, his phasing won't really let him hurt Thanos, and his Martian Vision doesn't likely pack enough punch to be much of a factor...

I think Thanos is STILL the favorite, because Fernus struggled FAR more against Plastic Man than he should have...OK, can't read his mind effectively, so just rip him into little pieces with your near superman level strength and scatter him throughout the universe....

remember, Jonn beat Fernus in the end too...

As such, while Fernus was certainly more effective than Jonn, if you average in how he did against Plastic Man with how he did against the JLA, he's not quite as impressive as you think...

He still get's smashed. There's rally not a DAMN thing MM can do here!!!

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