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The Last Word
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Subject: "Faster than Clark? Fast as me?" A little logic here. . . .
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:01:10 pm EDT |
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We cannot accept the conclusion that WW is faster than Superman because she said he was "faster than Clark," and "fast as me." Here's why:
Amazo had all of the League's powers, including the strength of WW and Superman, which is why he was stronger than both of them put together, i.e., WW + Superman + rest of League > WW or Superman. Given this truth, logic requires that we impute the same conclusion concerning Amazo's strength to his speed. And, once we've done that, we are forced to admit that Amazo is faster than both Superman AND WW. If that's true, and we know it is because (i) Amazo has the combined powers of all the league and (ii) WW would otherwise have been able to tag him, then WW's statement that Amazo is "fast as me" is false insofar as it suggests that she's as fast as Amazo. And if she's not as fast as Amazo, which we have established as true because she's not as strong as Amazo, then the statement that Amazo is faster than Superman also applies to her. Thus, there's no way to determine whether she is, in fact, faster than Superman based on her statement.
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Daveym 
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Subject: Disagree.... [Re: The Last Word]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:10:55 pm EDT (Viewed 39 times) |
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> We cannot accept the conclusion that WW is faster than Superman because she said he was "faster than Clark," and "fast as me." Here's why:
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> Amazo had all of the League's powers, including the strength of WW and Superman, which is why he was stronger than both of them put together, i.e., WW + Superman + rest of League > WW or Superman. Given this truth, logic requires that we impute the same conclusion concerning Amazo's strength to his speed. And, once we've done that, we are forced to admit that Amazo is faster than both Superman AND WW. If that's true, and we know it is because (i) Amazo has the combined powers of all the league and (ii) WW would otherwise have been able to tag him, then WW's statement that Amazo is "fast as me" is false insofar as it suggests that she's as fast as Amazo. And if she's not as fast as Amazo, which we have established as true because she's not as strong as Amazo, then the statement that Amazo is faster than Superman also applies to her. Thus, there's no way to determine whether she is, in fact, faster than Superman based on her statement.
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Well we know full well she isn't as fast as superman anyway so the only way to read her comment is purely by her noting that since Amazo has replicated all their powers she is in fact fighting herself here - hence her saying he's as fast as she is.
It's one thing to say Amazo is stronger than her and superman combined but we know from how DC speed physics work that Amazo can't possibly be faster than her and Superman too as Speed is still limited to lightspeed in the DCU. Superman can't go faster than light, Flash has the Speedforce that bypasses physics but Amazo demonstrated speed no greater than Supermans. He has a clear limit in that regard and it was proved in the previous issue as we saw he was definitly not faster than The Flash anyway! 
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Lord Majestros
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Subject: Yeah... [Re: The Last Word]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:42:29 pm EDT (Viewed 37 times) |
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> We cannot accept the conclusion that WW is faster than Superman because she said he was "faster than Clark," and "fast as me." Here's why:
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> Amazo had all of the League's powers, including the strength of WW and Superman, which is why he was stronger than both of them put together, i.e., WW + Superman + rest of League > WW or Superman. Given this truth, logic requires that we impute the same conclusion concerning Amazo's strength to his speed. And, once we've done that, we are forced to admit that Amazo is faster than both Superman AND WW. If that's true, and we know it is because (i) Amazo has the combined powers of all the league and (ii) WW would otherwise have been able to tag him, then WW's statement that Amazo is "fast as me" is false insofar as it suggests that she's as fast as Amazo. And if she's not as fast as Amazo, which we have established as true because she's not as strong as Amazo, then the statement that Amazo is faster than Superman also applies to her. Thus, there's no way to determine whether she is, in fact, faster than Superman based on her statement.
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Lord Majestros:
Given than Amazo not only had WW and Superman's speed, but Flash's as well, Diana's statement doesn't remotely hold up.
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Green Meanie
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Subject: WW is faster than Superman by the facts of her origin.She's not even alive,she's like Amazo. [Re: The Last Word]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:51:03 pm EDT |
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Diana didn't have a natural birth like living beings do.Her mother took magic clay and sculpted her into an infant girl.Then She used her Godly powers to animate little Diana who has no knowledge of her origins thinking she is alive.Her mother infused the best abilities of her relatives into her.Mercury,Athena,Zeus,Hera,etc.So like Amazo,Diana can pretty much match any mortals abilities by concentrating.WW can beat SM in a foot race if she really concentrated on it.
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bd2999
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Subject: Origins are a bit overhyped... [Re: Green Meanie]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:07:39 pm EDT |
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> Diana didn't have a natural birth like living beings do.Her mother took magic clay and sculpted her into an infant girl.Then She used her Godly powers to animate little Diana who has no knowledge of her origins thinking she is alive.Her mother infused the best abilities of her relatives into her.Mercury,Athena,Zeus,Hera,etc.So like Amazo,Diana can pretty much match any mortals abilities by concentrating.WW can beat SM in a foot race if she really concentrated on it.
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They are well and good but the fact of the matter is that in most of their fights WW and Superman seem peers. Sups seems stronger and faster. Does not matter that WW is magical and was not born in the conventional sense, but that has nothing to do with anything at all. Not to mention that I think Superman can take most of the gods that give WW her power, not at once but he is pretty much the fastest guy around in DC, not counting the Flash's.
WW is not faster than superman. At best she has comparable speed but there are several examples people use to say otherwise. Superman has better speed feats overall, I know WW has them, especially with the blocking things but I think Superman could do as much too.
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Subject: Re: Yeah... [Re: Lord Majestros]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:58:24 pm EDT (Viewed 46 times) |
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> Lord Majestros:
> Given than Amazo not only had WW and Superman's speed, but Flash's as well, Diana's statement doesn't remotely hold up.
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During Meltzers run Diana performed a similar feat against Amazo -- he had the Flash's power and Diana still was able to tie him up.
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Lord Majestros
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Subject: The question is.. [Re: J]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:14:23 pm EDT (Viewed 43 times) |
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> > Lord Majestros:
> > Given than Amazo not only had WW and Superman's speed, but Flash's as well, Diana's statement doesn't remotely hold up.
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> During Meltzers run Diana performed a similar feat against Amazo -- he had the Flash's power and Diana still was able to tie him up.
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Lord Majestros:
Do you think Diana is as fast AS Amazo? To be so, she would have to actually have her speed PLUS the speed of every other person whose powers Amazo has. Given that at the very least, we know Amazo has Diana's speed PLUS that of Flash and Superman, Diana saying she is as fast as Amazo is complete nonsense unless Diana's speed by itself (which is what she has) is somehow equal to Diana's speed plus Flash's speed plus Superman's speed.
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bd2999
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Subject: Re: Yeah... [Re: J]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:15:19 pm EDT |
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> > Lord Majestros:
> > Given than Amazo not only had WW and Superman's speed, but Flash's as well, Diana's statement doesn't remotely hold up.
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> During Meltzers run Diana performed a similar feat against Amazo -- he had the Flash's power and Diana still was able to tie him up.
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I dont think Amazo has full access to a guy like Flash's power. The speedforce combined with the sheer strength and durability of league members alone would basicly be unbeatable.
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Uninvited Guest
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Subject: Sort of. Going back as far as 1987, at the beginning of issue #1 by George Perez... [Re: Green Meanie]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:43:52 pm EDT (Viewed 71 times) |
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> Diana didn't have a natural birth like living beings do.Her mother took magic clay and sculpted her into an infant girl.Then She used her Godly powers to animate little Diana who has no knowledge of her origins thinking she is alive.Her mother infused the best abilities of her relatives into her.Mercury,Athena,Zeus,Hera,etc.So like Amazo,Diana can pretty much match any mortals abilities by concentrating.WW can beat SM in a foot race if she really concentrated on it.
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...actually, Diana first gestated inside Hippolyta's body.
At a pre-historic time, Hippolyta was a pregnant cavewoman, who was killed by her male companion because he couldn't take her compassion about his sorrow of having his hand chopped off by some dinosaur. He mistaken it by pity, and killed her.
Many years passed, and the Amazons were created by the Greek Pantheon, and given souls of former deceased women from the past. All of these souls came from some mystical "pool of souls" or something like that, and all but one (which was bigger and brighter than the others) were used to give life to the amazons.
As Hippolyta was pregnant at the time of her death, she was given the blessing/gift/whatchucallit of "giving birth" to that child that could never be born in her previous life, through mysticaly means. The Godesses explained her that she had give shape to a figure of clay, and at the right time, it'd be given life.
This kid, received the last special soul.
Of course, all of this may or may not still be canon as of today (I don't really know, as I stopped reading DC and Marvel), but the George Perez era is still the version of Wonder Woman I like best.
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Subject: Re: The question is.. [Re: Lord Majestros]
Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:44:37 pm EDT (Viewed 85 times) |
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> Lord Majestros:
> Do you think Diana is as fast AS Amazo? To be so, she would have to actually have her speed PLUS the speed of every other person whose powers Amazo has. Given that at the very least, we know Amazo has Diana's speed PLUS that of Flash and Superman, Diana saying she is as fast as Amazo is complete nonsense unless Diana's speed by itself (which is what she has) is somehow equal to Diana's speed plus Flash's speed plus Superman's speed.
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Of course I don't believe that.
What I do believe, however, is that the writer (in this case there are 2 of them -- and I can list more that have shown similar) wrote the scene to show and explain that Diana's speed is competitive with Superman/Flash level speedsters. I do believe Flash is THE fastest of the bunch but I believe they are all competitive. And, as I've said before, I think Superman's flight speed is greater but Diana's reaction time/reflexes are slightly better.
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Green Meanie
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Subject: Like it or not Superman is the King ,Wonder Woman is the Queen.To each their own. [Re: bd2999]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:12:58 am EDT |
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> > Diana didn't have a natural birth like living beings do.Her mother took magic clay and sculpted her into an infant girl.Then She used her Godly powers to animate little Diana who has no knowledge of her origins thinking she is alive.Her mother infused the best abilities of her relatives into her.Mercury,Athena,Zeus,Hera,etc.So like Amazo,Diana can pretty much match any mortals abilities by concentrating.WW can beat SM in a foot race if she really concentrated on it.
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> They are well and good but the fact of the matter is that in most of their fights WW and Superman seem peers. Sups seems stronger and faster. Does not matter that WW is magical and was not born in the conventional sense, but that has nothing to do with anything at all. Not to mention that I think Superman can take most of the gods that give WW her power, not at once but he is pretty much the fastest guy around in DC, not counting the Flash's.
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> WW is not faster than superman. At best she has comparable speed but there are several examples people use to say otherwise. Superman has better speed feats overall, I know WW has them, especially with the blocking things but I think Superman could do as much too.
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Maestro
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Subject: Small correction... [Re: Lord Majestros]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 07:12:19 am EDT (Viewed 44 times) |
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> > We cannot accept the conclusion that WW is faster than Superman because she said he was "faster than Clark," and "fast as me." Here's why:
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> > Amazo had all of the League's powers, including the strength of WW and Superman, which is why he was stronger than both of them put together, i.e., WW + Superman + rest of League > WW or Superman. Given this truth, logic requires that we impute the same conclusion concerning Amazo's strength to his speed. And, once we've done that, we are forced to admit that Amazo is faster than both Superman AND WW. If that's true, and we know it is because (i) Amazo has the combined powers of all the league and (ii) WW would otherwise have been able to tag him, then WW's statement that Amazo is "fast as me" is false insofar as it suggests that she's as fast as Amazo. And if she's not as fast as Amazo, which we have established as true because she's not as strong as Amazo, then the statement that Amazo is faster than Superman also applies to her. Thus, there's no way to determine whether she is, in fact, faster than Superman based on her statement.
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> Lord Majestros:
> Given than Amazo not only had WW and Superman's speed, but Flash's as well, Diana's statement doesn't remotely hold up.
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It was shown in the previous issue that, even after getting the crap beat out of him, Flash was able to steal Amazo's superspeed (I'm presuming by that Wally means the Flash specific powerset). Therefore Amazo would just have had Kal's and Diana's speed in operation.
To be honest, I've yet to see any proof that Amazo stacks physical attributes like strength and speed one on top of the other. Because if so, an Amazo with Diana's and Kal's strength combined wouldn't even have felt WW's strongest blows.
Of course none of the above really weakens your point which is that its nonsense to believe that WW could be as fast as Amazo. And it shows since, even after stunning Amazo with a huge kick, she still couldn't hit him with her follow up punch.
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Would be Watcher
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Subject: I'm sorry to still hear someone bringing the "Godly" supremacy argument... [Re: Green Meanie]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:15:16 pm EDT (Viewed 42 times) |
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> Diana didn't have a natural birth like living beings do.Her mother took magic clay and sculpted her into an infant girl.Then She used her Godly powers to animate little Diana who has no knowledge of her origins thinking she is alive.Her mother infused the best abilities of her relatives into her.Mercury,Athena,Zeus,Hera,etc.So like Amazo,Diana can pretty much match any mortals abilities by concentrating.WW can beat SM in a foot race if she really concentrated on it.
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Gods in comics are NOT always more powerful than other super-beings. Heck, ALL of WW gift are of "godly" origin and she isn't stronger than Kal-El, she isn't thougher than him either and she isn't more powerful over all. In this instance the "Alien super-being" is greater on ALL account than the "Godly gifted" one. It's a FACT. Origin is just the flavor of the cake Not THE cake.
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Would be Watcher
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Subject: You are right about Amazo's depiction... [Re: Maestro]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:29:20 pm EDT (Viewed 37 times) |
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> > > We cannot accept the conclusion that WW is faster than Superman because she said he was "faster than Clark," and "fast as me." Here's why:
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> > > Amazo had all of the League's powers, including the strength of WW and Superman, which is why he was stronger than both of them put together, i.e., WW + Superman + rest of League > WW or Superman. Given this truth, logic requires that we impute the same conclusion concerning Amazo's strength to his speed. And, once we've done that, we are forced to admit that Amazo is faster than both Superman AND WW. If that's true, and we know it is because (i) Amazo has the combined powers of all the league and (ii) WW would otherwise have been able to tag him, then WW's statement that Amazo is "fast as me" is false insofar as it suggests that she's as fast as Amazo. And if she's not as fast as Amazo, which we have established as true because she's not as strong as Amazo, then the statement that Amazo is faster than Superman also applies to her. Thus, there's no way to determine whether she is, in fact, faster than Superman based on her statement.
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> > Lord Majestros:
> > Given than Amazo not only had WW and Superman's speed, but Flash's as well, Diana's statement doesn't remotely hold up.
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> It was shown in the previous issue that, even after getting the crap beat out of him, Flash was able to steal Amazo's superspeed (I'm presuming by that Wally means the Flash specific powerset). Therefore Amazo would just have had Kal's and Diana's speed in operation.
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> To be honest, I've yet to see any proof that Amazo stacks physical attributes like strength and speed one on top of the other. Because if so, an Amazo with Diana's and Kal's strength combined wouldn't even have felt WW's strongest blows.
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> Of course none of the above really weakens your point which is that its nonsense to believe that WW could be as fast as Amazo. And it shows since, even after stunning Amazo with a huge kick, she still couldn't hit him with her follow up punch.
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It absolutely never made any sense for him to take dammage the way he did because he was suppose to be as thought as the toughess of them or more if it stacked.
Also, if you were to play chess would you rather have 3 pawns a knight and a bishop or a single queen? I would prefer the queen 99% of the time even tho they are roughtly equivalent in points. I could easily eliminate the weakest pieces you have and slowly tip the battle in my favor were as it would be near impossible for you to nail me. Your weakest piece would always require protection and would slow your most potent ones... Amazo is a queen and should easily pulverize the league 95% of the times as more than half of them are nothing more than pawns to him.
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J
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Subject: Re: I'm sorry to still hear someone bringing the "Godly" supremacy argument... [Re: Would be Watcher]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:20:52 pm EDT (Viewed 42 times) |
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That isn't necessarily factual.
We simply don't know the difference in strength between Superman and Wonder Woman.
It's been said that he is the only being stronger and it has been said that they are equals.
Her durability is tied directly to her source of the strength: the Earth. She can take a punch just as well as Superman -- she just does not have the same resistance to sharp fast moving projectiles (such as a bullet). But, at the same time, she has no real weakness.
As far as overall power goes it isn't nearly as clean cut. She is an avatar of the truth -- a physical embodiment of a concept. Her power has been so great that she can caused reality to unravel. That is on a scale that exceeds Supermans physical might. Not to mention Diana has illusion casting, telepathic abilities, empathetic abilities, the ability to transcend dimensions, etc. She might lack EP but she has many other abilities that Kal lacks.
> Gods in comics are NOT always more powerful than other super-beings. Heck, ALL of WW gift are of "godly" origin and she isn't stronger than Kal-El, she isn't thougher than him either and she isn't more powerful over all. In this instance the "Alien super-being" is greater on ALL account than the "Godly gifted" one. It's a FACT. Origin is just the flavor of the cake Not THE cake.
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Would be Watcher
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Subject: You really think there is ANY doubt between who is... [Re: J]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:33:46 pm EDT (Viewed 42 times) |
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...stronger, thougher, more powerful? Even Byrne, who stated what you brung, CLEARLY mention that Diana is as strong as the earth and that it's not chicken fat and Superman who is powered by the sun is EVEN LESS chicken fat. It's public knowledge she isn't his equal. Close but not equal. Anyway, my point was to re-state that origin and heritage owns nothing over power in super-heroe settings. POWER dictate who is more powerfull NOT blood/lineage.
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Lord Majestros
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Subject: Re: Small correction... [Re: Maestro]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:43:48 pm EDT (Viewed 71 times) |
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> > Lord Majestros:
> > Given than Amazo not only had WW and Superman's speed, but Flash's as well, Diana's statement doesn't remotely hold up.
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> It was shown in the previous issue that, even after getting the crap beat out of him, Flash was able to steal Amazo's superspeed (I'm presuming by that Wally means the Flash specific powerset). Therefore Amazo would just have had Kal's and Diana's speed in operation.
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Lord Majestros:
I read that as Flash taking Amazo's superspeed period, not just Flash's since the whole point was to prevent the rest of the team from having to face an Amazo capable of using his powers against them at superseed. Flash just taking his own speed away would still leave Amazo with Supes and Diana's speed which means the team would still have the same problem. BUT, I think you're right that Flash is supposed to have just taken his own speed even though he COULD have taken all Amazo's speed.
> To be honest, I've yet to see any proof that Amazo stacks physical attributes like strength and speed one on top of the other. Because if so, an Amazo with Diana's and Kal's strength combined wouldn't even have felt WW's strongest blows.
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Lord Majestros:
He's definitely supposed to and there are examples where he had to be stacking power like when he fought a few dozen JLA members in the "JLA" series at once and it included people like Supes, J'onn, Wonder Woman, and Orion. Even in the most recent fight, Diana even said that he was stronger than her and Supes put together. Realistically, the JLA should never be able to beat Amazo. However, his powers tend to get dumbed down in order to give them a chance. Writers definitely let him get damaged easier than he should be.
> Of course none of the above really weakens your point which is that its nonsense to believe that WW could be as fast as Amazo. And it shows since, even after stunning Amazo with a huge kick, she still couldn't hit him with her follow up punch.
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Daveym
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Subject: Re: You really think there is ANY doubt between who is... [Re: Would be Watcher]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:51:47 pm EDT (Viewed 39 times) |
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J says: "We simply don't know the difference in strength between Superman and Wonder Woman.
It's been said that he is the only being stronger and it has been said that they are equals."
I think what he's getting at is this: that the only times they tend to match up against the other physically is when he's been possessed or gone insane, that's a very different set of circumstances than just a normal test of strength/speed etc...
If she can fight him when he's going allout like that to basically kill her that's an indication right there of their relative powerlevels when both 'calm'. Well theoretically!
I don't think she's quite as powerful of him no. She's of Earth while he's fom a far distant planet, a Visitor, an alien empowered by the Sun while she's beholden to the earth. When you think on it most of DCs top tier are either Alien or as with the Marvels a combinational magic spell resulting in a temporary Godlike being.
She on the other hand is born on and of the Earth and unless i'm wrong she'd be the most physically powerful being on it, excluding the aformentioned Aliens and the artificially powered Marvels... interesting thought.
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Subject: Re: I'm sorry to still hear someone bringing the "Godly" supremacy argument... [Re: J]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 03:30:46 pm EDT (Viewed 1 times) |
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> That isn't necessarily factual.
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> We simply don't know the difference in strength between Superman and Wonder Woman.
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> It's been said that he is the only being stronger and it has been said that they are equals.
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Yes, we do.
Superman is stronger under 98% of the writers at DC. Statements like those are something other characters equally have in relation to Superman: Lobo, Mon-El, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Orion, Supergirl, Manhaunter..and the list goes on.
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> Her durability is tied directly to her source of the strength: the Earth. She can take a punch just as well as Superman -- she just does not have the same resistance to sharp fast moving projectiles (such as a bullet). But, at the same time, she has no real weakness.
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She is less durable on average.
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> As far as overall power goes it isn't nearly as clean cut. She is an avatar of the truth -- a physical embodiment of a concept. Her power has been so great that she can caused reality to unravel. That is on a scale that exceeds Supermans physical might. Not to mention Diana has illusion casting, telepathic abilities, empathetic abilities, the ability to transcend dimensions, etc. She might lack EP but she has many other abilities that Kal lacks.
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Abilities that on average, she doesnt use.
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> > Gods in comics are NOT always more powerful than other super-beings. Heck, ALL of WW gift are of "godly" origin and she isn't stronger than Kal-El, she isn't thougher than him either and she isn't more powerful over all. In this instance the "Alien super-being" is greater on ALL account than the "Godly gifted" one. It's a FACT. Origin is just the flavor of the cake Not THE cake.
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bd2999
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Subject: Who denied Sups was DCs big male and WW female? [Re: Green Meanie]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 04:43:58 pm EDT |
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I am just saying that there is no precident to say that she is faster. Maybe as fast at best but not faster. She needs all those gods at her back to make her close to him. And he is just an alien.
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Green Meanie
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Subject: Superman is faster than a speeding bullet and WW blocks bullets so they are even. [Re: bd2999]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 11:24:40 pm EDT |
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> I am just saying that there is no precident to say that she is faster. Maybe as fast at best but not faster. She needs all those gods at her back to make her close to him. And he is just an alien.
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Green Meanie
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Subject: For argument sake SM is faster but WW's legs are stronger than SM's especially in the Knees. [Re: The Last Word]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 11:35:45 pm EDT |
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If they got in a real slobberknocker, then Boy Scout Clark gets kneed in the nuts and keels over in pain.I don't think he has a protective cup.
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bd2999
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Subject: If you are serious than it greatly saddens me... [Re: Green Meanie]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 11:36:02 pm EDT |
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to think you are using that as an argument seriously. That whole montra, although fun and all, is outdated. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Not impressive for a guy that can fly. More powerful than a locamotive. Big deal for a guy that can move planets or at the least lift millions of tons of material. No train I know of can lift or do what he does. He is to powerful for that.
Give Superman the bracers and he could block bullets too, just would not need to. For him standing there is enough but he could likely catch all the bullets out of the air if he had the mind to.
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bd2999
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Subject: All I can say is not cool.lol. [Re: Green Meanie]
Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 11:37:15 pm EDT |
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> If they got in a real slobberknocker, then Boy Scout Clark gets kneed in the nuts and keels over in pain.I don't think he has a protective cup.
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Subject: Re: You really think there is ANY doubt between who is... [Re: Would be Watcher]
Posted Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:06:21 am EDT (Viewed 40 times) |
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Yes, the power of the Sun vs the power of the Earth -- both were said to be greater than Captain Marvel in the same comment and people still argue that Captain Marvel is more powerful than Wonder Woman.
I am simply pointing out that neither has succeeded in performing a strength feat in which the other failed.
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Green Meanie
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Subject: By the Laws of Physics Superman should not be able to do what he does for his size. [Re: bd2999]
Posted Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:08:03 am EDT |
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> to think you are using that as an argument seriously. That whole montra, although fun and all, is outdated. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Not impressive for a guy that can fly. More powerful than a locamotive. Big deal for a guy that can move planets or at the least lift millions of tons of material. No train I know of can lift or do what he does. He is to powerful for that.
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> Give Superman the bracers and he could block bullets too, just would not need to. For him standing there is enough but he could likely catch all the bullets out of the air if he had the mind to.
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Green Meanie
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Subject: unfortunately that is a realistic outcome in today's modern.cut throat world. [Re: bd2999]
Posted Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:15:30 am EDT |
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...that's the first thing they teach in women's self-defense.It may not be cool but it is effective.
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Green Meanie
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Subject: Re: All I can say is not cool.lol. [Re: bd2999]
Posted Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 02:43:33 am EDT |
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Freakin acronyms,I thought lol was lots of luck but found it was laughing out loud, and I gave a serious response,too.My bad.
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