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Amor Fati![]() |
Subject: What's up with Asgard's defenses? Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 09:21:52 am EST (Viewed 118 times) | |
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I know Osborn had one sided prep, but shouldn't Asgard have some defenses? You would think they would have guards and tech to alert them and have some sort of battle plan in place. They were all (king, best warrior, most powerful warrior) taken out in like three minutes. Even when Surfer attacked there were guns fired on him. These are warriors around for thousands of years. Thermyscira, New Genesis, Shi'ar homeworld, JLA Watchtower or, hell, even Medieval Times in New Jersey wouldn't fall like this. Hogwarts had some defensive spells around it. You'd think the biggest magic users around would at least get a three headed watchdog. Even a castle in the Middle Ages with street level archers would have put up a bigger fight. Seriously, what's up with that?
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Zeeder![]() |
Subject: Re: What's up with Asgard's defenses? [Re: Amor Fati] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 09:43:47 am EST (Viewed 27 times) | |
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I think 2 things. 1. Sentry happened. The gods depend on Heimdal as a warning. And he probably hasn't let them down much. 2. The gods are arrogant. They didn't think mortals had the gall to attack them. Thor's first words were "What's the meaning of this". The gods are always doing things you'd think gods would have evolved past long ago.
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Ragnarok![]() |
Subject: And there you go... [Re: Amor Fati] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 10:15:50 am EST (Viewed 93 times) | |
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This is the problem with events as portrayed in Siege #1. Asgard has been invaded countless times. This is a warrior race with enemies all across the nine worlds. Their entire lifestyle is built around war and defense. Then the Green Goblin, who admitteds in the same issue he knows little of Asgardians, concocts a plan to take them out in minutes. Their guardian's super senses are on the fritz and their noblest and most accomplished defender rushes in, throws one punch, and gets KO'd. Maybe some of us Thor fanboys were upset about a low showing by the Thunder God, but I think when you look at it from this perspective you have to agree something is rotten in Asgard. Perhaps Bendis will redeem himself by revealing that Loki interfered with Heimdall's senses or cast some other spells, but I doubt it.
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Maestro![]() |
Subject: Your second point is KEY. [Re: Zeeder] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 10:25:49 am EST (Viewed 183 times) | |
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Kadaj![]() |
Subject: I blame Heimdall. He's bad at his job. No seriously, he is. [Re: Amor Fati] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 10:55:38 am EST (Viewed 42 times) | |
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Maximum Man![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 1,278 |
Subject: I don't remember any guns or cannon fire when the Infinity Watch showed up. [Re: Amor Fati] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 10:58:49 am EST (Viewed 77 times) | |
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All I remember is just a bunch of warriors charged out and started fighting. I just chalk it up with different writers having different takes on it.
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Amor Fati![]() |
Subject: Not that time... [Re: Maximum Man] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 11:11:06 am EST (Viewed 88 times) | |
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I was referring to an earlier, classic SS encounter. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle4.jpg
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Incriptus phone![]() |
Subject: Well they probably thought the cows out in that field were a little less dangerous than their previous neighbors [Re: Amor Fati] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 12:34:35 pm EST (Viewed 16 times) | |
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They probably had more pressing matters. Plus unlike trolls humans are awesome
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Maximum Man![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 1,278 |
Subject: Yes, but that doesn't change my point. Different writers, different takes. [Re: Amor Fati] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 01:19:50 pm EST (Viewed 40 times) | |
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Zeeder![]() |
Subject: I'm kind of rooting for the invasion force too :) [Re: Maestro] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 02:19:12 pm EST (Viewed 4 times) | |
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Thorion![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 6,211 |
Subject: I blame the company (Sad but true) [Re: Kadaj] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 04:09:58 pm EST (Viewed 41 times) | |
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Subject: I am....hoping Thor eats a tad of humble pie...the Big 3 reform and act fully like heroes again... [Re: Zeeder] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 05:52:08 pm EST (Viewed 69 times) | |
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seeker![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 7,970 |
Subject: A key problem is... [Re: Maestro] Posted Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 10:00:28 pm EST (Viewed 67 times) | |
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for all the good writing JMS did do one negative is he portrayed the gods as ignorant primitives no more advanced then the Vikings of the Middle Ages. Lee and Kirby showed the gods has truly being more advanced then humans in both culture, magic, and technology. This trend was continued through Simonson's run and even Jurgen's. During the eighties the Avengers realized they had to snap Zeus out of his madness before he ordered Ares to lead the armies of Olympus to destroy the Earth. In Jurgen's run the Warriors Three were tough enough to destroy entire armies with modern weapons and a single arrow from Heimdall was enough to destroy a modern jet.. Osborn'ss forces are probable packing some heavier fire power than that, but the point was the even if the gods were ignorant of the mortal world they had the power to make any direct attack suicide. Even Matt Fraction had them repel an army of super-super-skrulls backed by air power. The gods thought themselves superior to mortals and had good reason to think so. Yes under JMS and Bendis the gods are little more than immortal vikings. Maybe things will be different next issue. Osborn indicated he his planning on the first wave failing and he has something bigger in store.
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