I love both characters, so this is hard for me, but I think that this is one of the few battles that Batman would lose. Or might lose anyway. Batman and Cap are pretty much equal, and if Wolverine can hold his own against Cap, so can Batman. The main advantage that Bats has is that he can use weapons such as knockout gas, etc. Plus he hss the batmobile and all of that other stuff. Wolverine doesn't go down easily though, and this is a guy who also goes through room full of ninjas like nobody's business. His healing factor will be the killer here. Literally. I think this can go either way, and I can see either one taking the victory home. What do you guys think?

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Wolverine can be taken down by a street, so it's totally possible for Batman to beat him with just combat skills. Factor in gadgets and the like, then it gives Batman an even better chance of taking the win. However, I'd say the odds are against Batman since Wolverine is pretty much peak human and would have no problem making contact with his claws and taking Batman out of the fight. Obviously this rarely happens in comic stories, but realistically if Wolverine can tag "x" with a punch, then it'd be easier for him to claw "x" because of the additional reach.

I've never understood why Cap is not considered physically superior to Batman. I realized he's been defined as peak human (whatever that really means) and he's had good battles with normal humans (a lot of metas have), but Cap had things (run several times the speed of a man and throw his shield at insane velocities) no normal man could dream of doing. Regardless, if you take all of that away and just make him a really good athlete, he still has super stamina. It's the nature of the super soldier serum. Cap should not have been nearly as winded as Batman in Marvel v. DC.

My take on that battle is that Batman should probably be a little more skilled, or at least a little more honed in his use of technique, while Cap has the strength and speed advantage. Cap's shield is great, but Batman's gear can probably trump it in a street-level fight, if we are assuming he has it that is.

Now Wolverine seems to be in the same class as Cap. He's not Spider-man, but he's faster than a normal human. He's commented on this and has feats to back it up. Unlike Cap, however, Wolverine only needs one good shot to end a fight with Batman. He is the favored here. Batman might have as good of odds as Captaim America despite not having the shield though. He has the gadgetry to immobilize Wolverine. He doesn't even really need to KO or kill him. He just has to tie him up.

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I don't see Batman winning this, not head on anyway. It would be similar to him fighting the Predators except Wolverine is sharper and more canny.
Physically the gap between the two is huge and since the 90s Wolverine has been propelled so far up the skill/power scale he pretty much became a figure of fun - able to outfight Stick and Shang-Chi, beat entire teams of MU heroes, beat Captain America in combat, Embarrass Namor, the list is very long and these near constant excesses writers gave to him make him hard to gauge fairly.

Batman works best with information, If he is able to divine Wolverines abilities and method he would be able to win longterm, there really aren't many people he can't beat with just a little time to improvise.
The question really hinges on how much time he gets therefore because head on Wolverine is near invulnerable and too quick to take chances with. His trademark Stealth wouldn't work either on average as Wolverines senses are so sharp and his depth of experience makes it difficult to find new strategies that he hasn't already dealt with.
Batman can get some good hits in with nerve strikes and the rough stuff but he's fighting a man who can be torn to shreds by the likes of Deathstrike when in combat and push right through it - his pain threshold is at least as high as Batmans and Batman by contrast has zero room for error if he doesn't want to be slashed open...

Cap wasn't winded in Marvel vs. DC.

Also, I've found that most consider Cap either superhuman or downplay Batman being "peak human." IMO, if you can run as fast as a cheetah you're above "peak human."

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Chancellor Liam, Dean of the Forgotten Green Academy of Gamma Sciences "Hulk would have to be in a life or death struggle for a good 25+ years to BEGIN to start to surpass [Thor]." - MjolnirsPower I Fought the Law and the Law Won... A Judge Dredd Respect Thread http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=2435.0 (work in progress)

I don't think Bats could ever take him down hand-to-hand no matter how much he preps up on Logan's fighting style and what not, but there are ways to neutralise Logan temporarily. Elektra, for instance, briefly incapacitated his arms by stabbing him in some nerve clusters that stopped him from moving his arms and leaving the blades stuck in there.

Delaying action at best in the long-run, but enough to get Bats something of a win.





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Yes he was. The were both leaning over and panting and saying how they were too evenly matched. Ironically, the back of the book lists super stamina as a power of his.

Note I'm not talking about JLA/Avengers.

I think you are overstating it a bit. His average probably isn't better than Cap's against any of these people. Namor took him out with one punch and 9 out of 10 times Wolverine doesn't fight like a Stick-level character.




I mostly agree with your post, but I disagree that it's impossible for Batman to win a fight. Using a batarang to slit his throat and then using some ropes to tie him up would work nicely. I just don't see him trying this right away or surviving long enough to realize Wolverine wouldn't die from it and then attempting it. However, given his bat-weaponry I think he has a chance. I still give Logan the majority though.




A sword through the heart put Wolverine down when he was fighting Daredevil.

I can scan the panel in question if you want.

Batman was huffing and puffing. Cap, IIRC (and I admit I could be wrong) wasn't.