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IF Superman was on the Marvel earth, and was dispatched as Sentry was to "bring him in"...

Could the "Wolf man" actually find a way to defeat Big Blue?


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Jaysin1414




NO.

I believe that Adamantium can cut Superman.

I don't believe that Superman is dumb enough to let someone with steak-knifes coming out of his hands close enough to find out.

Superman wins 1,000,000 to every 1 Wolverine victory. And even the 1 victory comes off as unrealistic.


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Surt




Wolverine wasn't able to cut the Sentry, and Sentry actually held the claws with no problem. This was years before the recent power up.

Same happened when Wolverine attacked Gladiator some years back. So as long as Superman hasn't been greatly weakened and his "bio shield" low, I don't see Wolverine as much as scratching the guy.


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ArtTeacher


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1) If Superman had always been at Marvel, then, yes, Wolverine could, and probably would beat him, as asinine as that sounds. As stupid and implausible (even for comics) that would be, it would probably happen.

2) If this was the Superman we all know and love from DC, then there is no way that DC would allow a Marvel guy like Wolverine to beat him. Period.

3) The way that they've turned Wolverine into God nowadays, I don't see how Superman could beat him, unfortunately.

 


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    Wolverine wasn't able to cut the Sentry, and Sentry actually held the claws with no problem. This was years before the recent power up.
If I recall, Wolverine did not try to cut the Sentry and fail, a la Hulk #181. Sentry just avoided being cut.





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Braugi




the problem is, Wolverine's has many modern depictions that strain credibility just as far, and then he still has his low showings...

SHOULD Wolverine pose any threat to Superman? Unequivically no, except maybe by being able to hurt his eyes (minor scratch to the cornea or somesuch...

BUT the guy managed to impale Thanos with his claws at one point, and cuts the crap out of the Hulk...now the Hulk doesn't have the sort of 'hard' durability Superman does, but it seems that Wolvie can cut things he shouldn't be able to, and that means he could, in one of those uber depictions of his, impale Superman and win the fight...


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Surt




I don't remember all the details, but I think Wolverine tried to get in some shots, before Sentry restrained him by actually holding his blades in his bare hands. Then knocking him out cold with one punch.


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Jaysin1414




...preventing any such cuts.

I haven't seen the Gladiator issue, nor do I know *when* it happened. If it was early in Wolvie's career, then remember that he had issues cutting the Hulk in his first appearance too.

The times, they have changed however. There's little that Wolverine can't cut (perhaps, save Ultron and Cap's shield).

Whether he can cut Superman depends upon the writers ultimately. I'm sure that there's some that say he couldn't due to a bio-field...which is plausible.

And there's some that would reason that Adamantium, being more dense than Kryptonian flesh, should be able to pierce/cut/gouge/impale Superman. That too is plausible.

Regardless...for Superman to be so stupid as to stand there and find out makes little sense. I'd imagine his response would be identical to Sentry's and simply take him out before he gets a chance to draw blood.


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    the problem is, Wolverine's has many modern depictions that strain credibility just as far, and then he still has his low showings...



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    SHOULD Wolverine pose any threat to Superman? Unequivically no, except maybe by being able to hurt his eyes (minor scratch to the cornea or somesuch...


Not really getting this whole Superman hard durability thing. Logan would cut Kal if given the opportunity and not just a minor scratch to his corneas. If Supes bleeds from punches to the face and is cut by Braniacs bots etc he will be cut by the guy whose power effectively is to cut almost anything.
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    BUT the guy managed to impale Thanos with his claws at one point, and cuts the crap out of the Hulk...now the Hulk doesn't have the sort of 'hard' durability Superman does, but it seems that Wolvie can cut things he shouldn't be able to, and that means he could, in one of those uber depictions of his, impale Superman and win the fight...









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Kadaj




Superman has a personal forcefield. Wolverine's claws historically have trouble with those (but oddly enough, he cut Onslaught's).


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        SHOULD Wolverine pose any threat to Superman? Unequivically no, except maybe by being able to hurt his eyes (minor scratch to the cornea or somesuch...



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    Not really getting this whole Superman hard durability thing. Logan would cut Kal if given the opportunity and not just a minor scratch to his corneas. If Supes bleeds from punches to the face and is cut by Braniacs bots etc he will be cut by the guy whose power effectively is to cut almost anything.


He bleed because the attacks are powerful enought to bypass the durability. With Wolverine you cannot possibly think he has enough power behind the claws to say the same. They have to be magical comic book claws or it's impossible. That, or your durability is softer in the sense it doesn't mainly rest on the capacity to resist dammage but to on the ability to take a lot of it and heal it fast. If you've read the brainic story you would know that Brainiac was a cosmic force of considerable power and his tech FAR above even the Kryptonians.


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      BUT the guy managed to impale Thanos with his claws at one point, and cuts the crap out of the Hulk...now the Hulk doesn't have the sort of 'hard' durability Superman does, but it seems that Wolvie can cut things he shouldn't be able to, and that means he could, in one of those uber depictions of his, impale Superman and win the fight...



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Kadaj




To be fair, Wolverine's claws are now supposedly capable of cutting Colossus and Hulk when they couldn't before.
 
Of course, personally my opinion is Wolverine's claws will only do surface damage if that because of the personal forcefield. Also, they struggled to cut the doors to Cerebro and I hear Thor resisted them, albeit bloody. I don't think it'd be a one-hit kill for Old James.


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Would be Watcher


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    Superman has a personal forcefield. Wolverine's claws historically have trouble with those (but oddly enough, he cut Onslaught's).


Not a force field an aura. And the aura doesn't prevent contact at all. All it does his give anything inside it (a fraction of an inch) the same protection Superman body has. It was used to explain why Superman's costume wasn't always shred to bits when he was shooted at or caught in fire, acid, explosions...





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Would be Watcher


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    To be fair, Wolverine's claws are now supposedly capable of cutting Colossus and Hulk when they couldn't before.


 
Well for Hulk I don't mind because since PAD he doesn't so much resist the dammage than heal it. There are plenty of attacks that pierce Hulk skin that are not all that powerful in themselves. For Colossus thats more problematic... unless Colosuss skin isn't as hard as it looks I have to conclude many writer use the claws as magic ones. Sentry was just the lucky guy who benefit from a more logical writer.


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    Of course, personally my opinion is Wolverine's claws will only do surface damage if that because of the personal forcefield. Also, they struggled to cut the doors to Cerebro and I hear Thor resisted them, albeit bloody. I don't think it'd be a one-hit kill for Old James.






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Kadaj




That's actually bad for Superman. Had it been shielding like Iron Man's I'd say Kal could take the attack no sweat.

Now? As unbelievable and stupid as it sounds, I think current Wolverine can draw blood, but Superman's hard durability will prevent him from being one-shotted.


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    That's actually bad for Superman. Had it been shielding like Iron Man's I'd say Kal could take the attack no sweat.



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    Now? As unbelievable and stupid as it sounds, I think current Wolverine can draw blood, but Superman's hard durability will prevent him from being one-shotted.


...what does it change? A force field, like anything else, provides barrier that can be overcome if the attack is powerful enough. If Wolverine can cut through Kryptonian tissues he sure as hell can bypass a forcefield offering the same resistance. Would you be able to drive an indestructible nail into an anvil with the power you wield? No. But you could easily drive it through a slab of butter even if it's protected by a 100 watt forcefield. The only thing that matters it the amount of force required to pierce the defense. Thats how you measure "hard" durability. That the resistance comes from hard materials or forcefields or whatever else you imagine doesn't matter.



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IF he got intel on Supermans vulnerability to Red Sun Radiation or a stash of Kryptonite and had enough time to lay a trap then sure he could defeat Superman. But the odds on such a scenario occuring are slim to non-existent. If it were that easy Luthor would have ended him years ago...
 
His adamantium claws have been very effective on various substances and opponents over the years but i'm hard pressed to think of any examples with an opponent with the sheer invulnerability of Superman - Namor isn't that invulnerable, neither is Thor or the Hulk. Definitly not Ben Grimm and certainly not the Rhino. It might be interesting to consider that historically he could never affect Juggernauts armour, or Vindicators forcefield for example. Then there was Warhawk, the Blob and he has occasionally struggled to mark Collossus(Uncanny Annual 7?) and the Hulk.
In any normal circumstance Wolverine has Zero chance of making an impression on Superman and I would thnk it would be like his 'fight' with the Jackal back in Action #682.
 
By way of comparison a good point of reference to consider here is that even with an opponent as formidable as Doomsday, technically more powerful than Superman himself, he has repeatedly struggled to break Supermans skin with his imbedded spikes and in high-pitch duels .frequently lasting hours. 
Wolverine would need for his arm to be braced against something absolutely rigid and unyielding and for Superman to dive into the extended claws full pelt... even then it might only be superficial injury Superman comes away with.
 
 
 












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MadDog




How I interpret your question is whether adamantium weapons can take an average super hero/villain and make them a worldbeater. If Wolverine had no claws or only his bone claws could he beat Captain America or Spiderman? I don't think so. But hey give him adamantium claws and he can beat anyone (if you are a Wolverine fan). For me this is ridiculous, what is stopping other heroes/villains obtaining adamantium weapons and using them like Wolverine?

Superman vs Wolverine is a fantasy only for Wolverine fanboys, in any sane universe the question would never be asked as Superman would take Wolverine out any way he pleased in a very short time. The only scenario where this question could be asked is if Wolverine had plenty of time to plan an attack on Superman (without his knowledge) including use of kryptonite. But in saying this you could say that about anyone not just Wolverine.

Fanboyism has made Wolverine the most over-rated hero ever.


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Liam Gallagher's Unibrow


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    If Wolverine had no claws or only his bone claws could he beat Captain America or Spiderman? I don't think so.


Don't see why not to Cap. The claws have never been a major factor in their fights, and bone claws would dice Cap up every bit as well as adamantium ones. Wolverine took down Cap after Steve prevented Logan from using the claws in their most recent fight (going by in-universe chonrology that is).

So yeah, he could definitely beat Cap without adamantium. Every bit as strong and fast, comparable skill and the uber healing (which only gets better without adamantium).

Spidey on the other hand.... much less likely. He needs the adamantium skull to blunt the impact of some of the shots I think.




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I think Wolverine could do some superficial damage with the claws. A pretty blatant Wolverine homage had no problem opening Superman's chest up with his claws in For Tomorrow, for one.

As with 99% of things though it does vary from showing to showing; I've also seen Superman get batted into space by a magical axe and no blood was drawn, only his costume was damaged.

I don't think he would ever do more than superficial damage though, so either way no, he can't win. Even if Superman slugged it out without using his flight or speed he would win.




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Surt




Damn you, now you made me go and fish out those comic books.

Wolverine # 47

Sentry grabs Wolverine Adamantium Claws with his *hands*, holding around the sharp edge. Not a scratch, he holds them as if it was nothing.

He then bends the blades inwards, exerting a lot of force (Wolverine even cries out in agony), tearing tendons and stuff inside Wolverines arms. Still not leaving a scratch on his hands. So lets not try to ignore that fact.

Gladiator beat Wolverine into a bloody broken pulp in New X-Men #124, and didn't have a scratch on him.

Now if that isn't enough, then some common sense should. Lets say I give you an adamantium knife. Does this mean you can cut through steel walls and cement as if it was butter? Of course not, you need considerable force. Remember, the metal is virtually unbreakable, not magically sharp. Wolverine having around Captain America level strength is able to cut Hulk (with effort), but guys like Sentry and Superman, who has a hard durability on a whole other level? No chance.



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Would be Watcher


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...Equus was a lot stronger than Logan though. It makes all the difference in the world. I don't think Wolverine is strong enough to throw away a locomotive.



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Liam Gallagher's Unibrow


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True but then I don't think Equus' blades are anything like adamantium, which frequently does things it really shouldn't.

If it saw print in a comic I just don't see the claws having *zero* effect. Very little, sure, but I think it would draw blood, just like they have done on everyone from Thor to Hulk to Thanos.




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JES


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... he can't injure him.


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Jaysin1414




I completely overlooked the panel where Sentry's thumb is clearly on one of the blades and no mention is made of any injuries.

Fair enough... I humbly concede the point to your favor.

+1 internets to you \:D


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rc




Equus was a magically-, chemically-, electrically-, and cybernetically-enhanced OMAC with claws forged from angelic flesh. He wasn't a Wolverine homage in any way, then, I don't think. If anything, he was more akin to Doomsday. Regardless, his powers and power sources make him nothing like Wolverine, so, in my opinion, your comparison is off.

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    True but then I don't think Equus' blades are anything like adamantium, which frequently does things it really shouldn't.
They're magic. Mr. Orr and Equus' designers explain this, as well as the basis for his other powers.

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djcc




zero chance of Wolverine beating Supes

best case scenario --they both kill each other out of comics forever....


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Volstagg jr




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