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Subj: If Kurse is so much stronger than Thor, how did Thor stalemate Kurse in test of strength in Thor #488?
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 06:48:36 am EST (Viewed 30 times)
And despite the test of strength Thor has with Kurse says Kurse is far stronger than Thor?
So, I guess that when Hulk was very angry in Defenders #10 test of strength against Thor, he was not getting angrier, he was equally angry entire hour.
And what about that thing in Wolverine #144?
Hercules and Karkas (member of the Deviants) were unable to break free of the chains that Leader made. Wolverine broke them free with his adamantium claws. Does it mean Hulk is stronger than Hercules than, since Hercules was not able to break free of the Leader's chains?
Compare how Hulk and Hercules (immortal), whose power has been augmented by the Evolutionaryâ€™s evolution chamber, fared against a blast from the High Evolutionary... AVENGERS Annual #17
So, does it mean Hulk is both stronger and more durable than this empowered, immortal Hercules?
Here is the thing:
While it is true that most of Thor's esoteric powers come from or are channeled through Mjolnir, you sell short to say that Thor is "not all that" without Mjolnir. Throughout the bulk of his history, Thor has been shown to be at least as durable as Hercules (moreso if you think back to Avengers vs. Korvac) and as strong as Herc and Hulk in direct combat. It should cast no doubt on his strength that he has trouble with Hulk and Juggernaut; since the Hulk heals almost instantly from damage and the other, Juggernaut is magically impervious. It would be nearly impossible to simply beat either of them into submission even if they weren't strong.
You're putting the Hulk overpowering (but not KOing) twice stronger Abomination, and yet Thor faced and overpowered Ulik who strength has been increased several times.
The reason why Thor couldn't put Kurse down is not just his strength, but his incredible durability.
Yes....it has been shown that Hulk can beat thor down and probably in the end win almost all the battles (when thor doesn't have his hammer).
However, Thor has been beaten by the Hulk in issue #385 because his body couldn't take as much punishment as the Hulks....I don't think anyone would say that Thor has more healing than hulk or tougher skin..whether it was diamond hard skin back then or great healing power now.
Ok, even if in that era Hulk did not have healing factor, it was shown he still could take much more beatings/punishment than Thor.
So....if someone mistakenly refers to "strength" by including endurance or dexterity.....then I can see how they would say that Hulk is stronger.
But...sheer strength doesn't include them. So, if Thor was holding his own for quite a while...then he may have actually been stronger than Hulk even at the end...since he had to make up for the great healing/body armor of the Hulk.
However, the Hulk's incarnations that would be stronger than Thor, would be war-Hulk, than WWH (but not by much), this is reinforced with WWH's incredibly powerful healing factor, Red Hulk, Onslaught-Hulk (but only his last punch, in that second he was stronger than Thor, not before that punch, however the same could do enraged Thor in the last all-or-nothing punch when getting totally enraged). The fact is Thor we have never seen Thor hitting something extremely tough to break with his fists, but from his fights with the Hulk and their tests of strength and durability he obviously can do it, but he uses Mjolnir 99, 99% of the time.
It only proves that Hulk's striking power is greater than Thor's striking power (with fists, only), while we haven't really seen who possesses greater lifting power-Thor or the Hulk, that is the question.
Thanks to all.
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