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JesusFan


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Him, Franklin, Logos, Adam warlock, who?

Is the TOAA still around now?


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Aang


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Unless The One Above All (not the Celestial) is still around, I would say Owen is the top guy now. Logos doesn't seem that much more powerful than Life Bringer G who was said to be much lower than Owen. It would be interesting how things shake in Ultimates 2.





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Reverend Meteor


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    Him, Franklin, Logos, Adam warlock, who?


If Adam Warlock being Living Tribunal was canon then he was killed by Logos. He may come back but he did get defeated.


So I would say

Franklin = Molecule Man > Logos > Living Tribunal

Living Tribunal doesn't seem to hold much sway in the new multiverse.


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    Is the TOAA still around now?


I sure hope not. But I think Logos tried to kill him and failed.





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bd2999

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    Quote:

    Unless The One Above All (not the Celestial) is still around, I would say Owen is the top guy now. Logos doesn't seem that much more powerful than Life Bringer G who was said to be much lower than Owen. It would be interesting how things shake in Ultimates 2.


    What are you basing that on? Not much has happened. POrder and Chaos went down to Galactus but then, recently, they were able to weaken him before joining and apparently reverting him back to his old state. We do not know that for sure but it is what the final panel hints at.

    I imagine Galactus will seek to change back if he cannot already do so.







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bd2999

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    Him, Franklin, Logos, Adam warlock, who?


I would say that he may well be. So long as the Beyonders are not still around. MM has always been a fairly powerful being though.


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    Is the TOAA still around now?


Not that has been said really but he was rarely referred to overtly. Usually just a comment for creators or an overall purpose to the way of things. Given the FF were using the power of the Beyonders to remake the multiverse it is hard to say. Other than something like it is always around so long as their is a creative staff.






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Aang


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The cosmic hierarchy in the new reality is said to be still in flux so the previous abstracts don't seem to be overly much more powerful than the other, as even the LT was felled by Chaos and Order.  Order and Chaos tried to off Galactus twice without succeeding so I don't they are much more powerful than Galactus, although Logos seemingly changed LB Galactus back to the devourer. Owen is a different kettle of fish, as he seems to be unaffected by the shuffle in hierarchy. He was described on panel as much more powerful than even LB Galactus, so I have to take that for what it is even if I preferred it to be the other way around.





From his Formspring page.
Tom, who's more powerful: Galactus or a Celestial? I'd put my money on Galactus over any single Celestial.
http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort
Sweet.
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Bob

Hmm



Toaa is most powerful. Then franklin and Reed then mm. Then legos then galan.


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    Unless The One Above All (not the Celestial) is still around, I would say Owen is the top guy now. Logos doesn't seem that much more powerful than Life Bringer G who was said to be much lower than Owen. It would be interesting how things shake in Ultimates 2.


    Doesn't Molecule Man basically have the power of the Beyonders after Secret Wars?  I haven't read Secret Wars, but that seems to be the impression I got from certain scans I've seen. 



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    Unless The One Above All (not the Celestial) is still around, I would say Owen is the top guy now. Logos doesn't seem that much more powerful than Life Bringer G who was said to be much lower than Owen. It would be interesting how things shake in Ultimates 2.


    Doesn't Molecule Man basically have the power of the Beyonders after Secret Wars?  I haven't read Secret Wars, but that seems to be the impression I got from certain scans I've seen. 



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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Reed got his powers then from his son?


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Franklin is that powerful due to being the ultimate Mutant, while MM is due to having power of the Beyonders then?

So there now is literally no one to enforce what is right/wrong, based upon the new status in Marvel now?


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Bob

Well



No. From molecule man taking Dooms beyonder powers and giving them to Reed.


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Bob

Logos



That's Logos job for now. Keep in mind things can change.

More about law and order over good and bad.


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


So are Reed and sue still married and together now?


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Bob

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Yes


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