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Baldach




I propose today to make a remodeling (This is done much nowadays ) of a character emblematic of the cosmic universe of Marvel: Galactus.
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This character was created in a much more naive era (1966) and has practically not evolved graphically, while it has been degraded over time.
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Step 1: Let's go back to basics; what is the concept of Galactus?

* Galactus is an incredibly old entity. One can not even imagine what he has seen and experienced during these billion years.
* He possesses a knowledge and power which is of several orders above that of superheroes. I will not speak of omnipotence as it was in the 60s and 70s, but it remains that we should be before the incomprehensible.
* He has a unique foreign relationship to mortals and even immortals of lower rank.
* He has access to the abstracts which certainly surpass him in scope and knowledge.
* He is the contemporary, as old as Time, brother of Life and Death.
* He can travel in the white area outside the universe.
* The two preceding points originate from the fact that he possesses / is the "cosmic power". He is not a creature but a cosmic elemental.
* He is also creator / holder of a "supreme" weapon cosmic annihilator. This two points have never been actually clarified.
* Galactus is not just a powerful entity but has a role and a curse: it is the necessary evil.
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Step 2: Recognition of the situation

* From the beginning the character of Galactus has always been portrayed as too human. It is basically a human 30 meters in armor with a very human ego. It’s maybe ok in 1970 but I don’t think it’s a good design today.
* Very rarely have the authors of Marvel managed to "show" the power gap. This is often reduced to rays emerging from the eyes, without great effects. We could see Galactus coming to the hands and boxing with the In-Betweener (sigh!!). You end up thinking that the Silver Surfer is more powerful than his master. It’s the same for the knowledge and wisdom.
* Galactus is often used unnecessarily as a standart meter of the new cosmic threat of the day.
Additionally he was beaten more or less intelligently by virtually all that characters of the Marvel universe except maybe Aunt May.
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Step 3: My vision of the character.
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What I would like to get is not easy for the writers and designer, I am aware of.
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* I would cease that to always give a human form to Galactus, I will try to infuse this totally "other" aspect of this entity. This was done once timidly in StormBreaker Saga 2005 where Beta Bill Ray sees an indistinct form slowly transform into the Galactus that we know. Wouaou is new I had thought at the time.
* Galactus should be the incarnation of a VIS Canis majoris level star. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Nc6h-03ew). A level out of proportion with all things known. We saw a glimpse in the arc of the annihilation wave where the Galactus’ rage explodes sweeping planets. That simple :GALACTUS IS NOT A GIANT HUMAN OF FLESH AND BLOOD WHICH CAN BE DEVOURED BY ZOMBIES !!
* Beyond that one must show that the cosmic power gives the control of diversified powers, telepathy, telekinesis, tempokynesis, teleportation, transmutation etc ...
* Even if the authors choose to give human form to Galactus in his interactions with the superheroes; It is essential that they stop making him talk like you or me (why not tweet while we are there, he’s not an US president !!). Telepathy should be the mode of communication.
Stop also to show him with to human emotion. he’s billion years old dammit he can be human.
* His hunger must not be like mortals the need to regain energies but simply the expression of his curse and his role. Devouring a planet should not the condition of his power but just be an obligation to be in accord with its nature. No more depletion of his power !!
* Moreover the Galactuses of the parallel universes should only reflections of the central Galactus.
* Finally I would stop putting Galactus in a position to be ridiculously beaten.


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Reverend Meteor


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    Quote:
    I propose today to make a remodeling (This is done much nowadays ) of a character emblematic of the cosmic universe of Marvel: Galactus.
    -
    This character was created in a much more naive era (1966) and has practically not evolved graphically, while it has been degraded over time.
    -
    Step 1: Let's go back to basics; what is the concept of Galactus?



    Quote:
    * Galactus is an incredibly old entity. One can not even imagine what he has seen and experienced during these billion years.
    * He possesses a knowledge and power which is of several orders above that of superheroes. I will not speak of omnipotence as it was in the 60s and 70s, but it remains that we should be before the incomprehensible.
    * He has a unique foreign relationship to mortals and even immortals of lower rank.
    * He has access to the abstracts which certainly surpass him in scope and knowledge.
    * He is the contemporary, as old as Time, brother of Life and Death.
    * He can travel in the white area outside the universe.
    * The two preceding points originate from the fact that he possesses / is the "cosmic power". He is not a creature but a cosmic elemental.
    * He is also creator / holder of a "supreme" weapon cosmic annihilator. This two points have never been actually clarified.
    * Galactus is not just a powerful entity but has a role and a curse: it is the necessary evil.
    -
    Step 2: Recognition of the situation



    Quote:
    * From the beginning the character of Galactus has always been portrayed as too human. It is basically a human 30 meters in armor with a very human ego. It’s maybe ok in 1970 but I don’t think it’s a good design today.
    * Very rarely have the authors of Marvel managed to "show" the power gap. This is often reduced to rays emerging from the eyes, without great effects. We could see Galactus coming to the hands and boxing with the In-Betweener (sigh!!). You end up thinking that the Silver Surfer is more powerful than his master. It’s the same for the knowledge and wisdom.
    * Galactus is often used unnecessarily as a standart meter of the new cosmic threat of the day.
    Additionally he was beaten more or less intelligently by virtually all that characters of the Marvel universe except maybe Aunt May.
    -
    Step 3: My vision of the character.
    -
    What I would like to get is not easy for the writers and designer, I am aware of.
    -
    * I would cease that to always give a human form to Galactus, I will try to infuse this totally "other" aspect of this entity. This was done once timidly in StormBreaker Saga 2005 where Beta Bill Ray sees an indistinct form slowly transform into the Galactus that we know. Wouaou is new I had thought at the time.
    * Galactus should be the incarnation of a VIS Canis majoris level star. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Nc6h-03ew). A level out of proportion with all things known. We saw a glimpse in the arc of the annihilation wave where the Galactus’ rage explodes sweeping planets. That simple :GALACTUS IS NOT A GIANT HUMAN OF FLESH AND BLOOD WHICH CAN BE DEVOURED BY ZOMBIES !!
    * Beyond that one must show that the cosmic power gives the control of diversified powers, telepathy, telekinesis, tempokynesis, teleportation, transmutation etc ...
    * Even if the authors choose to give human form to Galactus in his interactions with the superheroes; It is essential that they stop making him talk like you or me (why not tweet while we are there, he’s not an US president !!). Telepathy should be the mode of communication.
    Stop also to show him with to human emotion. he’s billion years old dammit he can be human.
    * His hunger must not be like mortals the need to regain energies but simply the expression of his curse and his role. Devouring a planet should not the condition of his power but just be an obligation to be in accord with its nature. No more depletion of his power !!
    * Moreover the Galactuses of the parallel universes should only reflections of the central Galactus.
    * Finally I would stop putting Galactus in a position to be ridiculously beaten.


I believe there have been comics that suggest what we see as Galactus (white guy in a magenta suit) is just an avatar he uses to appear in this dimension or in other instances everyone sees him differently.







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zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



    Quote:
    Step 3: My vision of the character.
    -
    What I would like to get is not easy for the writers and designer, I am aware of.
    -
    * I would cease that to always give a human form to Galactus, I will try to infuse this totally "other" aspect of this entity. This was done once timidly in StormBreaker Saga 2005 where Beta Bill Ray sees an indistinct form slowly transform into the Galactus that we know. Wouaou is new I had thought at the time.


Actually, Galactus doesn't have human form. This notion didn't arise with Stormbreaker, but with John Byrne's The Trial of Galactus story arc wherein every alien race saw Galactus in a form of that race.


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    * Galactus should be the incarnation of a VIS Canis majoris level star. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Nc6h-03ew). A level out of proportion with all things known. We saw a glimpse in the arc of the annihilation wave where the Galactus’ rage explodes sweeping planets. That simple :GALACTUS IS NOT A GIANT HUMAN OF FLESH AND BLOOD WHICH CAN BE DEVOURED BY ZOMBIES !!


I agree that Galactus should not be able to be devoured by zombies, but I disagree that Galactus should be at a level that makes him unassailable. That would defeat his story purpose as all planets would fall to him.


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    * His hunger must not be like mortals the need to regain energies but simply the expression of his curse and his role. Devouring a planet should not the condition of his power but just be an obligation to be in accord with its nature. No more depletion of his power !!


Again, I disagree. Galactus should have a weakness to allow him to be defeated and his hunger is his weakness. Otherwise, you either have Galactus in a role as an unbeatable villain who regularly commits genocide or as a hero who overcomes any threat instantly. How interesting would that be?






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Bob

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He is the lfe bringer of the new marvel universe.


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Baldach




Yes but I'm not sure it lasts as long as taxes ... \:\-\)


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Baldach





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    Actually, Galactus doesn't have human form. This notion didn't arise with Stormbreaker, but with John Byrne's The Trial of Galactus story arc wherein every alien race saw Galactus in a form of that race.


Certainly, but for the readers that we are, the image of a human of 30 meters high remains a little ridiculous. In the Trial of Galactus we have not seen Galactus as a metamorph, it is only the text that tells the vision of the peoples.
In Stormbraker the korbinites don't see Galactus as a big korbinite but as a demon of their mythology. it's an little bit other concept.

I like the idea to see more often Galactus in an other form. My goal is to make Galactus radically "other".


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    Again, I disagree. Galactus should have a weakness to allow him to be defeated and his hunger is his weakness. Otherwise, you either have Galactus in a role as an unbeatable villain who regularly commits genocide or as a hero who overcomes any threat instantly. How interesting would that be?


I do not agree because it is a easy way to use this character. Note that Galactus has no "weakness" when attacking another planet than the Earth. Even in its greatest weakness when the planet-mother Skrull was destroyed, the entire Skrull fleet could not do anything about it.
Galactus needs to be used in a different way than as a punching ball.





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bd2999

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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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      Quote:
      Step 3: My vision of the character.
      -
      What I would like to get is not easy for the writers and designer, I am aware of.
      -
      * I would cease that to always give a human form to Galactus, I will try to infuse this totally "other" aspect of this entity. This was done once timidly in StormBreaker Saga 2005 where Beta Bill Ray sees an indistinct form slowly transform into the Galactus that we know. Wouaou is new I had thought at the time.



    Quote:
    Actually, Galactus doesn't have human form. This notion didn't arise with Stormbreaker, but with John Byrne's The Trial of Galactus story arc wherein every alien race saw Galactus in a form of that race.



    Quote:

      Quote:
      * Galactus should be the incarnation of a VIS Canis majoris level star. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Nc6h-03ew). A level out of proportion with all things known. We saw a glimpse in the arc of the annihilation wave where the Galactus’ rage explodes sweeping planets. That simple :GALACTUS IS NOT A GIANT HUMAN OF FLESH AND BLOOD WHICH CAN BE DEVOURED BY ZOMBIES !!



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    I agree that Galactus should not be able to be devoured by zombies, but I disagree that Galactus should be at a level that makes him unassailable. That would defeat his story purpose as all planets would fall to him.


All did before Earth. I agree that it is a careful balance though. He needs to be insanely powerful and beyond most things but the hunger is what makes him dangerous and weak at the same time.

Given exposure, it is hard, but driving off Galactus should be one of the major feats that is exceedingly rare. At times in history I think this can be a bit lost. As Earth drives him off in various ways. It is nice to see perspective given by events in things like Stormbreaker or Nova.

Really, the Marvel zombie thing was strange. One would expect Galactus to just incinerate the lot of them without too much effort.


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      * His hunger must not be like mortals the need to regain energies but simply the expression of his curse and his role. Devouring a planet should not the condition of his power but just be an obligation to be in accord with its nature. No more depletion of his power !!



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    Again, I disagree. Galactus should have a weakness to allow him to be defeated and his hunger is his weakness. Otherwise, you either have Galactus in a role as an unbeatable villain who regularly commits genocide or as a hero who overcomes any threat instantly. How interesting would that be?


Yes, but he also must still pose a threat that is worthy. If everybody can beat or drive him off than he loses everything too.

I actually have liked the Lifebringer angle more than I thought I would. It is nice to see the character act to help the universe in a direct way and maintain grandeur along the way.






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