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JesusFan


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With all of the continuity changes in marvel, do they even have TOAA still, and is he still the Supreme Being?


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Immodicus


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Probably, at least until he is killed by a random outerversal character that later gets one shot by Spider-Man.


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bd2999

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but keep in mind he is not often referenced. I mean we get alot of allusions to beings of higher power than pretty powerful entities and so on. More recently I think he has shown up in more varying capacity.

In Immortal Hulk they have The One Below All now who is sort of like the destruction evil force. TOAA is the order and so on and he is the reverse. The scale is different but to me this is stupid as it steps on alot of abstract toes but whatever.

TOBA is the source of the hulks power and so on. When he took over Hulk totally he killed Galactus and Franklin and then merged with the previous universe to become a Galactus like being to kill that one.

I mean the whole thing was stupid to me but I am not sure how TOAA factored into that. As he seemed to just not do much of anything.




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JesusFan


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There was an issue that the LT and the TOAA had a discussion, and ther LT was shocked that the TOAA told Him that there were times beings and events seemed to get even out of His control!


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JesusFan


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Always thought that the TOAA should show up to peter as Uncle ben!


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bd2999

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There might have been, I do not remember all of his showings as most of them are vague and you can make a point either way about who it was. Generally, that there is some uber power seems to be the case.

But such beings are usually somewhat moot honestly because they do not do much of anything. It is the problem of gods and cosmic gods to the next level. If those beings should be dealing with things that it makes thing even more moot.

The only way it can sort of make sense is if you work in some free will sort of argument. Where they set everything in motion and make sure it keeps going on its own and then give some of the beings free will to do as they chose and see how it shakes out.

Folks can argue that too, but that is it in the end. I think the Dresden Files does that pretty well with how they tackle angels and the White God.




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JesusFan


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The White God?


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bd2999

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Basically the Abrahamic God. Although it is a little harder to peg down than that for sure. As some of his mortal warriors, the knights of the sword/cross, have included a devote Catholic, but others have been more devoted to concepts. Like hope, justice and faith. One of the three knights is agnostic as weird as that is.

The angels in that settings main job is to ensure that mortals are allowed a chance at free will and are only allowed to balance the scales if something has impacted that ability. Unless they are specifically ordered to do otherwise.

It is a somewhat restrictive view, but I have enjoyed it. Even how the Fallen are handled is pretty good. Very powerful, but very limited for the most part outside of one group that are balanced by the knights.

Very much plays up potential redemption,




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JesusFan


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is this White Goid now shown and seen then in mainstream Marvel?


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bd2999

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No, just wanted to reference a book series I really like because I liked the depiction as a higher power. Sort of like TOAA.

Not in Marvel, but there are Dresden File comics. Jim Butcher, the writer, has also written a few Marvel comics and a Spider-man novel I think.

So no, just a throw away on my part since we were talking about similar entities. Beings at that level just do not function much outside of a nudge at the right time sort of situation or they destroy the need for protagonists.




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Don Campbell


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    There was an issue that the LT and the TOAA had a discussion, and ther LT was shocked that the TOAA told Him that there were times beings and events seemed to get even out of His control!


That scene occurred in the "Thanos: The Infinity Conflict" Original Graphic Novel. Above-All-Others admitted that there were Regulators that kept order in His pan-dimensional realm but that He/She/It had been unable to take back control of the Regulator that Thanos had stolen and was using. When Above-All-Others then stated that He was Omnipotent and Infallible only within a well-functioning system, the Living Tribunal observed that that suggested that there might be a power greater than His own. A-A-O quickly told the LT that that was speculation that he should not even contemplate, let alone voice.


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JesusFan


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But does indeed seem to suggest that say when Thanos gained powers of heart of the Universe, supplanted then the TOAA!


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JesusFan


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Dresden as in that Constatine lite wannabe that was on scifi series like one season?


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JesusFan


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Maybe just have him appear as Uncle Ben?


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bd2999

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I watched the show a little bit, but it is based on a much better book series. I think it is like 17 novels in with the last two having come out in July and Sept. of this year. There are some short stories too.

Honestly, I do not think he is much like Constantine. John is very jaded in most respects. Harry really depends on what part of the series you want to pick him from but he is usually the wizard trying to do the right thing for the little guy and swinging outside of his weight class against vampires, demons, spirts, various gods and monsters.

Not trying to force it on you or anything. I merely brought it up because I have enjoyed the depictions. Mentions of angels etc. really do not come up much in the series honestly.

The TV show was ok, it missed alot of stuff from the books and felt sort of hollow to me. But I really enjoy the books.

Not high literature by any means, but I tend to enjoy fantasy and this one is modern urban fantasy that sort of incorporates everything.

I am a big fan, no need for us to like all the same things I suppose. If you do read it, the first two books are probably the weakest in the series, so I would try to get to book three before passing full judgement. The first two are not bad, but are not as strong yet.

Given it was Butchers first attempt, it is still pretty solid.






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