Okay so we see as a kid Hunter was given his dad's military helmet before his dad committed the murder of his mother and left Hunter Zolomon an orphan. No next of kin.

Barry takes the tachyon device for a test run starting at KEYSTONE CITY. The device charges Barry's speed force, with a ominous blue glow..., his vitals hold steady and he is faster then ever. Barry then goes faster and portals over to Supergirl's Earth then back in an instant. That's right the hours on Supergirl's Earth were an instant here.

They state he is 4 times faster now and Wells2 states that should be faster then ZOOM. Barry suggests miniaturizing the device. They then start talking about opening the way to Earth 2 but Wells2 is against reopening the portals as he is worried about his daughter.

Barry insists they try. Wells2 refuses. Barry is determined to go with or without Wells2.

Joe and Barry chat, Wally arrives. He is apparently hard up for money and refuses Joe's help. Barry gets an idea when Joe mentions doppelgangers.....

Barry gets to Star Labs and asks about Cisco's doppelganger and his powers. Reverb could tap multidimensional energies and locate portals and portalers and see other dimensions. Barry realizes that Cisco should have the power to open the portal, Wells2 is not happy.

Cisco starts practicing.....and failing.

Wells2 goes to Joe's place to chat with him. Wally almost mentions how Wells2 looks like Wells1 but Wells2 deflects that.

He asks Joe to talk Barry out of his plans, Joe tells him he can't as Barry is too stubborn. Joe then asks Wells2 to go to Earth2 with Barry to help stop ZOOM.

Barry and Cisco seek out residual portal energies for him to try to work with. Cisco fails again and Wells2 arrives and assures Barry he will help him. He has calibrated Reverb's goggles for Cisco to use. Cisco's power comes online and a portal starts to form.

However on Earth 2, ZOOM senses the portal forming and knows it is coming from Cisco! On Earth 1, Cisco freaks out and stops and refuses to try again.

Wells2 upgrades the tachyon device design from the designs of the device he used to steal some of Barry's speed. Now he should have even more tachyon power.

iris is starting to have feelings for Barry.

Joe offers Wally to live at the house, he agrees, they hug

Barry chats with Cisco, he compares himself to Anakin Skywalker and how his doppelganger was evil and he is afraid he will turn into Reverb.
Barry assures him he has friends and that they will help him.

The tachyon device is now installed under the logo of the Flash suit.

Caitlyn tells them that when she looked for Jay's doppelganger, "Jay" told her the doppelganger's name was Hunter Zolomon. Wells2 asks if she is sure then punches up via his writs unit a data file on Zolomon, turns out he is a convicted serial killer.

Turns out serial killers are rare on Earth 2. he is guilty of 23 kills and was locked in the asylum and given daily shock therapy.

Turns out when Wells2 particle accelerator exploded, Zolomon was getting some shock treatment at the same time. Then enters the dark matter energies from the accelerator and Zolomon gains what appears to be speed powers and not time warp powers like he had in the comics.

Barry gets an idea, he and Cisco go to open the portal, the others are in the time vault at Star Labs.

Cisco goggles up and starts to open the portal. ZOOM instantly emerges from it.

Flash and Zoom engage in the usual dialogue then they start the big chase. Barry is faster then ZOOM thanks to the tacyhon device. Flash leads ZOOM to Star Labs, ZOOM is pleased that Flash is faster now. Flash dares him to catch him and they race through Star Labs where Barry gets him to the test range and has some popup targets of ZOOM's father and mother to torment him. The torment works and FLASH clamps the boot device on him and then unmasks him.

Barry tells him how they figured it out. ZOOM tells him he is dying and that Caitlyn's cure is temporary, only Barry's speed can save him.

Then comes the philosophical bickering about how Barry could have been ZOOM due to their similar origins....and how family can be a weakness.

He then stands up and states it is time to get what he came for, Barry refuses. ZOOM's voice then reverts to EVIL and states how the darkness cannot be locked up, he then gets free and the chase is on again. This time he gets away.

They get back to Joe's house and it has been raided by ZOOM. Wally is hostage and ZOOM demands Barry's speed.

Wally is on Earth 2 locked up with the masked man. ZOOM arrives and of course threatens him, etc etc etc. When ZOOM states only the FLASH can help him now and we see the masked man lower his head.....

Team Flash strategizes while Joe needs a minute to himself. Barry goes to talk him, blah blah blah. Barry plans to surrender his power to ZOOM.

At Star Labs, Cisco communicates across the dimensions and ZOOM can somehow sense him. They still call him Jay and not Hunter...Cisco tells him Barry will surrender

ZOOM returns to Star Lab with Wally. He releases Wally, and he and Cisco leave. ZOOM unmasks and it begins. Wells2 preps the siphon to drain Barry.

ZOOM then explains how he killed "Jay". He states it was not a speed mirage and that he isn't fast. Turns out he time warped to a past version of himself and used his past self to bait them all. He even laughs at how he had to convince his time remnant to consent to being murdered. Barry asks about the man in the iron mask and he comments how he wouldn't be believed if he told them. (Still think it is the real Jay.)

The treadmill and siphon are prepped and Barry starts running. The speed force siphons away from him and he slows down....and falls off the treadmill. They all state that Barry is becoming human again.

ZOOM injects himself and powers up then speeds in and grabs Barry by the throat and pins him to the wall. Caitlyn pleads him to spare Barry. ZOOM releases Barry and takes Caitlyn with him.

End of episode.

So "Jay" was a time remnant of ZOOM.....interesting, yet if he really is a PAST version of ZOOM, then shouldn't killing him have negated ZOOM?

Temporal mechanics, what a headache.

We still do not know for sure who the man in the iron mask is, but if it isn't Jay...well that would be a disappointment.

ZOOM can sense when portals are opened but can't seem to open them.

ZOOM also states he isn't fast enough to leave a speed image behind yet he could time warp to past version of himself????

So anyone else think that Barry's powering down is temporary? he's been charged with speed force and tachyons and they recharged him back in season 1 when he was drained. Or are we going to get the drama of them trying to steal it back from ZOOM?

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So "Jay" was a time remnant of ZOOM.....interesting, yet if he really is a PAST version of ZOOM, then shouldn't killing him have negated ZOOM?

Even by this shows standards that is impossible - look to Eddie Thawne for a loose precedent. Thinking on it though we have seen when Barry travels to his past he has somehow replaced/overwritten his past self in the timeline, but what Zoom claims to have done is fished out his past self and brought him forward in time... to preetend to be Jay Garrick? Curious that this past-self appears to have no evil impulses as Zoom has then.

I am skeptical any of this is the truth. It is too far fetched and illogical, even for this show.

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We still do not know for sure who the man in the iron mask is, but if it isn't Jay...well that would be a disappointment.

I don't see who else it could be, who could carry the shock value and remain logical within the context of the storyline. As with Zoom's secret the writers have played it loose for the series in such a way that a last minute decision to change the reveal is optional. I hope they don't deviate from their original candidate as that would be a cheat to the audience and probobly work to undermine the storyline.

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ZOOM can sense when portals are opened but can't seem to open them.

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ZOOM also states he isn't fast enough to leave a speed image behind yet he could time warp to past version of himself????

It might be something that depends on the context. Though given Zoom is surely faster than Reverse-Flash, who did just this, and Barry, who did it against Doctor Light. Perhaps the point is that a speedster can only do this trick for a brief time, not the hours that 'Jay' waas present.
Really this whole reveal misses the obvious easy option of Zoom himself simply hiding as 'Jay' to infiltrate Team-Flash in favour of something so convoluted as to be near nonsense...

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So anyone else think that Barry's powering down is temporary? he's been charged with speed force and tachyons and they recharged him back in season 1 when he was drained. Or are we going to get the drama of them trying to steal it back from ZOOM?

I expect the latter, it makes for better drama and shows Barry was too reliant on the tachyon boost, when he should have relied on his own grit and ingenuity to defeat the superior foe. Being powerless will allow him to redeem himself on this front and teach him the lesson that all he needs is Barry Allen, not super-speed.

Well I think Barry does need the tachyon device for the moment so that he can match and exceed ZOOM.  However the device may also cause a permanent boost to Barry so that he can achieve greater feats of speed without it.

IN the comics and cartoons of yesteryear Barry Allen has been able to traverse time and dimensions on his own so the tachyons may cause a permanent upgrade to his powers.

Also at the end of this ep I think the tachyon device is still in Barry's costume, so even IF the speed force is gone from him at the moment it could recharge him.

As to ZOOM's explanations of things.....well it does seem pretty shaky. I suspect even Doctor Who would be shaking his head at what ZOOM had to say about plucking a version of himself from the past and then killing it.

As to Barry, when he has time warped the first couple of times it was to go back a day to change things so there wouldn't be two Barry's as he was overwriting his past self.  When he timewarped in this season to get help from RF (which was a brave and stupid decision), it was a deliberate attempt to time warp and he meant to keep his past self out of the way and not overwrite him.  We all know how well that plan worked....

However to take one's past self into the present/future with you, that is a BAD idea all around. The paradox effect cannot be denied and if the past self perishes, then the other version should be negated too. 

However the version that pretended to be Jay did have evil impulses as he went along with his future self's plan, lied about his Earth 1 counterpart, and even agreed to be murdered by his future self to carry on the plan.

What has me curious though is how ZOOM's eyes went dark and his voice changed.....he is a sociopath, but is he multiple personalities too or is he possessed? Or is he just over the cuckoo's nest?

Now here's a question, in all the Earth 2 flashbacks when "Jay" would argue with Wells2 about ZOOM, it was apparently Hunter/ZOOM......so know one knew what Flash of earth 2 looked like and thus Hunter was able to capture and replace Jay as Flash of Earth 2?  Flash of Earth 2 doesn't wear a mask and when standing still he can be photographed so no one has a pic of him on file somewhere thus preventing ZOOM from taking his place? Or is there some face stealing tech involved, hence the iron mask?

Over all, so far the whole thing with ZOOM has been a bit convoluted compared to Season 1 with RF being Wells.  it was pretty much right in everyone's face when Season 1 started that Wells was RF but the characters had to go through the motions to learn about RF.  With ZOOM however it has gone from pretty well written obfuscation to now becoming a train wreck. here's hoping the last episodes tighten up the plot a bit and clear some things up.

I knew it. That episode where Jay showed Hunter to Caitlin gave me the vibe he was trying to come up with an explanation to get her to leave it all alone so he wouldn't have to kill her.




Geez if they're so rare on earth why do so many go evil when they visit Earth-1







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Never been a fan of the "we're not so different" speech.







God Barry sucks. His ineptitude strikes again. How many more people have to suffer because of his poor decision making?


































I'm getting the feeling it's Eddie...a theory I always thought was illogical. Now that the actor who played Eddie's character been killed off of Quantico, Jay Garrick seems nothing more than an alias Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon used and we know there's already an Earth-1 Hunter it's time to expand our list of suspects outside of Jay/Hunter.

Plus I think if it's Eddie we then know killing a nasty in the pasty doesn't erase someone from the timeline.










Considering the show's called the flash I assume he's going to get his powers back...at least to the pre-tachyon levels.

The fact is this show is always going to make him more and less powerful as the plot dictates. This won't be the last time he loses his powers or gets powered up to a ridiculous degree.

I'm assuming Wally gets powers at the end of the finale.

I think that's where they're going with it.

1. We were going to assume the guy in the mask was the real Jay.
2. That we would balk at Hunter killing a time remnant because it should have erased him from time.
3. We would point to Eddie and say "see it's impossible"
4. Then it's Eddie revealed to be the guy in the mask thus making it possible.

I got the vibe there was never a "Jay". Zoom was pretending to be a hero on Earth-2...but the guy we saw on Earth-2 as Flash/Jay in flashbacks was Hunter after he got his powers.

Hunter is the guy from Earth-2. The doppelganger from Earth-1 was also named Hunter. Jay is just an alias Hunter-2 used. There is no Jay.

If there is a real Jay then that makes a total of 4. Hunter-1, Hunter-2 (Flash/Zoom/Jay), time remnant Hunter (Jay) who died, real Jay. Way too messy. 3 is already messy. And it would have to be a Jay/Hunter from another world as the Earth-1 and Earth-2 versions have been accounted for.

The guy in the mask is Eddie. They set us up to think it was the real Jay when there was never a real Jay. Maybe in a later season we'll see a heroic Jay on an Earth-3 but Earth-1 and Earth-2 don't have a Jay.

The ending reminded me of the line from Spaceballs "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

Barry and co are so worried about Wally they give Zoom what he wants (Barry's speed) and big surprise Zoom just takes someone else (Caitlin) and now Barry doesn't have his powers so they are SOL.

Did they all lose their brains? There only option was to try and trick Zoom somehow. I know it sounds really cruel, but the hard truth is even if Wally died, at least Earths 1 and 2 would still have a chance.

And as others have said the explanation about "Jay" and Zoom makes no sense. From the lines in the episode Zoom was "Jay" all along so who was it he killed? And when did Zoom and him switch? Like two seconds before he killed him I guess? And what about times Zoom and "Jay" were both appearing. They really needed to do a flashback/explanation sort of thing. A one line off-hand explanation (I killed my time remnant) just doesn't cut it.

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yes, being noble and sacrificing for others is indeed a pain at times.

They could have easily rigged up a super tranquilizer or poison to shut ZOOM down. Remember when Barry time warped the other week to get help from RF? He had a sedative with him to knock out his past self for a few hours.

They could have tricked and sedated ZOOM and dumped him into lockup then freed Wally and the man in the iron mask (Jay)

Instead they all just acted like submissive dogs, they rolled over and showed Zoom their bellies.

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I REALLY hope you're wrong about it being Eddie only because I can't stand the actor that plays him.

But they are totally setting it up because Iris admited to liking Barry again, so Eddie will be back and throw a wrench in that again. UGH! UGH! UGH! ::Bangs head against wall::

I don't even want Iris and Barry together, but neither of them will ever move on unless they get together and realize they aren't actually meant to be.

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I can't either. His voice is just so mincing. Maybe it's Ronnie






I can't say I want to be right...but in my head I've always felt the guy in the mask is either Eddie or the real Jay and the recent episode leaves me the impression there was never a real Jay to begin with.




I'm fine with them being together...in the last season. Heck I'm fine with them sleeping together and then breaking up sometime later.

But I've always felt he should sleep with Caitlin at some point. She's totally got that female friend that's always been there for the protagonist that turns into a love interest in a later season thing going for her.

So basically I feel he should have slept with Patty, Iris, Caitlin and then Iris again. (yes I totally overthought it)

Stuff like this is why I would have to be a vigilante not a hero. I mean I'm sorry but I'm just not going to keep my word to a mass murderer because of something dumb like honor.

Barry's the same idiot who got Joe-2 killed because he perved on Iris-2 instead of helping to save Jesse. Or that time the city got destroyed by Vandal Savage because he couldn't keep his mouth shut to Felicity about Oliver's kid. Or that he went back in time to get advice from the guy who killed his mom and got caught.

Barry's kind of dumb.

Looks like you were right and I was wrong. Weather or not I was in deep denial (I prefer to think of it as a lack of facts), doesn't really matter. All of it is a moot point anyway. You were right and you made a good call. I'm sorry for criticizing you and if I hurt your feelings, then I'm sorry I did that too. I hope you harbor no ill feelings towards me but if you do, I understand.

And if you feel the need to rub it in, go ahead. I deserve it.

No hard feelings. I didn't make it easy.




I was a total ass about it so I can totally see why people hate to admit when I'm right. I'm the worst.

And he can solve every one of his problems by RUNNING FASTER!

Why do I like this show?

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Yeah, this isn't the 3 Musketeers.

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Stuff like this is why I would have to be a vigilante not a hero. I mean I'm sorry but I'm just not going to keep my word to a mass murderer because of something dumb like honor

I agree. I would have broken at least one of Zoom's legs just in case there clamp thing didn't work.

He also should have squeezed Felicity in there at some point O_o

Yes to all of the above.

The Caitlin thing is so weird. It is long past a time when they should have addressed that.

And like Vegeta said, Felicity too (though that should have happened in like the Pilot).

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