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Reverend Meteor




Last season they kinda made a big deal about season 3 being about Flashpoint. I wasn't expecting it to dominate the whole season...but they resolved it one episode.

Did the writers realize they weren't good enough to pull it off and give up?


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Knight


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    Last season they kinda made a big deal about season 3 being about Flashpoint. I wasn't expecting it to dominate the whole season...but they resolved it one episode.


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    Did the writers realize they weren't good enough to pull it off and give up?


Maybe. All I know is Grant Gustin really liked the comics Flashpoint story and wanted it done on the show. And then it was done but in name only. To me, that speaks volumes and it says the showrunners weren't up to the task on creating their own Flashpoint based on the comics. They just wanted to do an episode to make Grant happy and move on. At least, that's the way I'm choosing to view things.






It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Daveym 

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      Did the writers realize they weren't good enough to pull it off and give up?



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    Maybe. All I know is Grant Gustin really liked the comics Flashpoint story and wanted it done on the show. And then it was done but in name only. To me, that speaks volumes and it says the showrunners weren't up to the task on creating their own Flashpoint based on the comics. They just wanted to do an episode to make Grant happy and move on. At least, that's the way I'm choosing to view things.

I really don't believe Grant Gustin's preferences came into it. Everything I read in the months between season led me to believe Flashpoint would run for several episodes, in the same way the mystique of Earth-2 informed the last season. I can only wonder if second thoughts became third thoughts as they realised there wouldnt be enough plot to support several episodes of this altered earth and it was parallelling last season's Earth-2 plot too closely.
I think there is a general consensus to be had that series and the Zoom storyline was much too similar to series 1 and the Reverse-Flash, three series in and something new and fresh is necessary for the season to avoid stagnation through repitition - the audience will only stand for so much rehashing after all.




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The timeline was "restored" by RF, not by Barry, which is contrary to the narrative at the start of the episodes.

RF made it clear he reset things for HIMSELF and that Barry would have to learn how things were set back for him.

The timeline is not as it was before Barry went to save his mother.  There are changes that he is only just learning and things could get worse before they get better.

Granted there doesn't appear to be a war between the Amazons and Atlantis, but that's fine as that would likely be a bit much for a TV series.



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[quote]The timeline was "restored" by RF, not by Barry, which is contrary to the narrative at the start of the episodes.



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    RF made it clear he reset things for HIMSELF and that Barry would have to learn how things were set back for him.



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    The timeline is not as it was before Barry went to save his mother.  There are changes that he is only just learning and things could get worse before they get better.


I've yet to view the episode, but the point stands that the world is more or less back to normal with a small degree of latitude left over for writers to revise certain details of the series canon and cast.
When this storyline was first revealed at the end of last season the indicators were that it would last several episodes and that has now been heavily reduced.
The growing problem with The Flash is that three series on is is recycling itself, same plots, same cast of actors returning in new/same roles, and a title character who is not developing, learning, or growing. At all.
I can't believe the producers are not aware of the problem in standing still like this as all are experienced capable showrunners and professionals, whatever is left as anomalous in the aftermath of Barry Allen's recklessness is what he now has to live with, but as far as I am aware the alterations are relatively minor and the series carries on as is... and yet from all available evidence such was not the original conception when planning for the third series was first discussed.




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Reverend Meteor


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    [quote]The timeline was "restored" by RF, not by Barry, which is contrary to the narrative at the start of the episodes.



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      RF made it clear he reset things for HIMSELF and that Barry would have to learn how things were set back for him.

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        The timeline is not as it was before Barry went to save his mother.  There are changes that he is only just learning and things could get worse before they get better.



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    I've yet to view the episode, but the point stands that the world is more or less back to normal with a small degree of latitude left over for writers to revise certain details of the series canon and cast.
    When this storyline was first revealed at the end of last season the indicators were that it would last several episodes and that has now been heavily reduced.
    The growing problem with The Flash is that three series on is is recycling itself, same plots, same cast of actors returning in new/same roles, and a title character who is not developing, learning, or growing. At all.
    I can't believe the producers are not aware of the problem in standing still like this as all are experienced capable showrunners and professionals, whatever is left as anomalous in the aftermath of Barry Allen's recklessness is what he now has to live with, but as far as I am aware the alterations are relatively minor and the series carries on as is... and yet from all available evidence such was not the original conception when planning for the third series was first discussed.


Exactly. We aren't getting what they implied. Heck we barely saw Barry's mom...at least Supernatural seems to be going all in on their mom back from the dead plot.







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