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Ironing Man


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Wasn't much of a fan after Tom Taylor left the previous volune, but I've picked up issues here and there. I remember seeing Dick Grayson intro'ed in Futures End or whatever, and know how he became Batman, but did he ever have a relationship with Bruce Wayne in this version? Was he ever a Robin there?

I assumed he was a "normal" guy with no training when first intro'ed, but hes depicted as pretty proficient as the current Batman, is this just comic book logic and accept he's a bad ass after a little training and fancy back brace, or did I miss an issue detailing his history as a sidekick and then retirement to start a family?


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Daveym 

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    Wasn't much of a fan after Tom Taylor left the previous volune, but I've picked up issues here and there. I remember seeing Dick Grayson intro'ed in Futures End or whatever, and know how he became Batman, but did he ever have a relationship with Bruce Wayne in this version? Was he ever a Robin there?

Curiously no. Dick Grayson was introduced to us as a War correspondent married to Barbara Gordon, with their one son. They were caught up in the carnage of Apokolips' second onslaught in the 'Worlds End' event where Barbara dies and their son dissapears, we see that the boy has been seperated and enters one of the evacuation arks in the company of fleeing war criminals Big Barda and friends, but Dick's destiny sees him pulled into the world of the earth-2 heroes and their eventual journey to Telos' world in the Convergence event, where Batman Thomas Wayne dies and Dick takes over his mantle in tribute.


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    I assumed he was a "normal" guy with no training when first intro'ed, but hes depicted as pretty proficient as the current Batman, is this just comic book logic and accept he's a bad ass after a little training and fancy back brace, or did I miss an issue detailing his history as a sidekick and then retirement to start a family?

No, not missing a chapter as such, Dick has no direct relationship with either Bruce or Helena Wayne, there isn't even a mention of any Circus background by which to rationalise his development, though Helena does gradually take him under her tutelage and shows him some of the skills he will need to be a Batman. Dick was only ever a War reporter, he had no training in fighting techniques and no preparation to ever be a crimefighter - never mind a Batman. But then the other way to look at it is that classically most crimefighters shared the same conceit. Look to characters like the Golden-age heroes and few of them had any real training before putting on a mask. In a way Dick goes to show that in comicbooks we have come to expect too much explanation and plausibility, when by its nature the medium is wish fulfillment.





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Ironing Man


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OK, so it was basically what I knew and assumed, but good way to look at it though as far as your final analogy. Thanks!

I've now read the final issue, and I wonder if Abnett felt a little weird as well about it, as the final depictions of him and some other characters seemed much better.


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Daveym 

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I suppose the final issue allows for Dan Abnett to set up the characters for an all-new start and shows us a glimpse on what his set-up for the series would be going forward.
Earth-2 was always a series that acted as a warped mirror universe to the main DCU earth, so seeing Dick take up the role of Oracle seems an inspired move, not as inspired as having Helena take on the mantle of her father however... that seems very strange at first reading, but as it sank in it was a fitting gesture I feel, brave.

The series ends on an upbeat movement, and for that I am grateful, yet even now, after everything they have endured, the officially assembled group still is not allowed the Justice Society name. Indeed no name.
And for that I am deeply critical, this series deserved better and we deserved better... around the corner lies yet another rebooting of the concept, and yet it won't be the Justice Society. A Justice Society, but by this stage in the proceedings the JSA ended in 2011 for me. The new restart will have to work mightily hard to win my interest, though whether I can trust DC with the JSA again is entirely a different matter.




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