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Attok12




The Puppet Master is such a sleezeball now....and quite sadistic, too. >:-D This is definitely an interesting take on this guy. Kudos to Brian Reed.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/31/msmarvel191.htm






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MysteryMan




> http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/31/msmarvel192.htm

with the likes of the Purpleman etc...


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Thatguy




> The Puppet Master is such a sleezeball now....and quite sadistic, too. >:-D This is definitely an interesting take on this guy. Kudos to Brian Reed.

How exactly does this make him more interesting? Before, he was a concerned father, protecting his daughter out of guilt. Now he's just another Mandrill/Purple Man knock off, only they do the insane mindcontrol thing better/more scary.


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Attok12




I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I haven't read a story with the Puppet Master in a long time (since I don't buy the FF book and haven't for years). And from what I do remember of the stories I read, his motivations and actions were always similar. This is a new take on the bald-headed weirdie, and so far I like it.


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Spiffy




> I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I haven't read a story with the Puppet Master in a long time (since I don't buy the FF book and haven't for years). And from what I do remember of the stories I read, his motivations and actions were always similar. This is a new take on the bald-headed weirdie, and so far I like it.

The problem I think is that most good "new takes" explore aspects of a character which already exist, but are underdeveloped. This seems more like a total reinvention of the character--like its some Ultimate version with a totally different history and motivations.

I mean its just shock value at seeing a familiar villain face to do it this way. Otherwise, why not use a new character or at the very least another existing one like Purple Man who's already established as a sadist (and who already has a small hook into Ms. Marvel's past history, I think)?

A new take on Puppet Master would be, for example, if we learned he wasn't really Alicia's father. Or if he himself was a puppet for someone else. Or something like that. Changing his core personality doesn't really do it for me.


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Thatguy




> > I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I haven't read a story with the Puppet Master in a long time (since I don't buy the FF book and haven't for years). And from what I do remember of the stories I read, his motivations and actions were always similar. This is a new take on the bald-headed weirdie, and so far I like it.
>
> The problem I think is that most good "new takes" explore aspects of a character which already exist, but are underdeveloped. This seems more like a total reinvention of the character--like its some Ultimate version with a totally different history and motivations.
>
> I mean its just shock value at seeing a familiar villain face to do it this way. Otherwise, why not use a new character or at the very least another existing one like Purple Man who's already established as a sadist (and who already has a small hook into Ms. Marvel's past history, I think)?
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> A new take on Puppet Master would be, for example, if we learned he wasn't really Alicia's father. Or if he himself was a puppet for someone else. Or something like that. Changing his core personality doesn't really do it for me.

Agreed (though minor correction: Puppet Master isn't and to my knowledge, never was Alicia's biological father. He's her stepfather).

Barring some reveal that someone is pulling Puppet Master's strings, this story really does seem to be an exploitive story of the worst sort. The villain is meant to shock long time readers with no real payoff and the story meant to appeal to the horny fanboy with not even lip service towards plot.


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Fred




> > > I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I haven't read a story with the Puppet Master in a long time (since I don't buy the FF book and haven't for years). And from what I do remember of the stories I read, his motivations and actions were always similar. This is a new take on the bald-headed weirdie, and so far I like it.
> >
> > The problem I think is that most good "new takes" explore aspects of a character which already exist, but are underdeveloped. This seems more like a total reinvention of the character--like its some Ultimate version with a totally different history and motivations.
> >
> > I mean its just shock value at seeing a familiar villain face to do it this way. Otherwise, why not use a new character or at the very least another existing one like Purple Man who's already established as a sadist (and who already has a small hook into Ms. Marvel's past history, I think)?
> >
> > A new take on Puppet Master would be, for example, if we learned he wasn't really Alicia's father. Or if he himself was a puppet for someone else. Or something like that. Changing his core personality doesn't really do it for me.
>
> Agreed (though minor correction: Puppet Master isn't and to my knowledge, never was Alicia's biological father. He's her stepfather).
>
> Barring some reveal that someone is pulling Puppet Master's strings, this story really does seem to be an exploitive story of the worst sort. The villain is meant to shock long time readers with no real payoff and the story meant to appeal to the horny fanboy with not even lip service towards plot.

But isn't the whole Alicia angle played to death? How many times have they gone to that well? Puppet Master's talents and visual are too cool to retire so I'll take Brian Reed's reinvention of him gladly. Besides, Brian Reed is proving to be a pretty darn good writer so even if I dislike something I hear he's going to write, I have faith that I'll like it a lot more than expected. My bigger worry about this arc is Sleepwalker. Aside from the art in that series there wasn't a whole lot of good in Sleepwalker.


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Thatguy




> > > > I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I haven't read a story with the Puppet Master in a long time (since I don't buy the FF book and haven't for years). And from what I do remember of the stories I read, his motivations and actions were always similar. This is a new take on the bald-headed weirdie, and so far I like it.
> > >
> > > The problem I think is that most good "new takes" explore aspects of a character which already exist, but are underdeveloped. This seems more like a total reinvention of the character--like its some Ultimate version with a totally different history and motivations.
> > >
> > > I mean its just shock value at seeing a familiar villain face to do it this way. Otherwise, why not use a new character or at the very least another existing one like Purple Man who's already established as a sadist (and who already has a small hook into Ms. Marvel's past history, I think)?
> > >
> > > A new take on Puppet Master would be, for example, if we learned he wasn't really Alicia's father. Or if he himself was a puppet for someone else. Or something like that. Changing his core personality doesn't really do it for me.
> >
> > Agreed (though minor correction: Puppet Master isn't and to my knowledge, never was Alicia's biological father. He's her stepfather).
> >
> > Barring some reveal that someone is pulling Puppet Master's strings, this story really does seem to be an exploitive story of the worst sort. The villain is meant to shock long time readers with no real payoff and the story meant to appeal to the horny fanboy with not even lip service towards plot.
>
> But isn't the whole Alicia angle played to death? How many times have they gone to that well? Puppet Master's talents and visual are too cool to retire so I'll take Brian Reed's reinvention of him gladly. Besides, Brian Reed is proving to be a pretty darn good writer so even if I dislike something I hear he's going to write, I have faith that I'll like it a lot more than expected. My bigger worry about this arc is Sleepwalker. Aside from the art in that series there wasn't a whole lot of good in Sleepwalker.

If Brian Reed wanted to use Puppet Master's abilities n a villain, he should have created a new one.

Turning a villain who had depth and character into a cackling, sadistic villain has been played to death too. Alicia at least gave Puppet Master some humanity. Now, he's little different from Purple Man or Mandrill.


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MysteryMan




> > > > > I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I haven't read a story with the Puppet Master in a long time (since I don't buy the FF book and haven't for years). And from what I do remember of the stories I read, his motivations and actions were always similar. This is a new take on the bald-headed weirdie, and so far I like it.
> > > >
> > > > The problem I think is that most good "new takes" explore aspects of a character which already exist, but are underdeveloped. This seems more like a total reinvention of the character--like its some Ultimate version with a totally different history and motivations.
> > > >
> > > > I mean its just shock value at seeing a familiar villain face to do it this way. Otherwise, why not use a new character or at the very least another existing one like Purple Man who's already established as a sadist (and who already has a small hook into Ms. Marvel's past history, I think)?
> > > >
> > > > A new take on Puppet Master would be, for example, if we learned he wasn't really Alicia's father. Or if he himself was a puppet for someone else. Or something like that. Changing his core personality doesn't really do it for me.
> > >
> > > Agreed (though minor correction: Puppet Master isn't and to my knowledge, never was Alicia's biological father. He's her stepfather).
> > >
> > > Barring some reveal that someone is pulling Puppet Master's strings, this story really does seem to be an exploitive story of the worst sort. The villain is meant to shock long time readers with no real payoff and the story meant to appeal to the horny fanboy with not even lip service towards plot.
> >
> > But isn't the whole Alicia angle played to death? How many times have they gone to that well? Puppet Master's talents and visual are too cool to retire so I'll take Brian Reed's reinvention of him gladly. Besides, Brian Reed is proving to be a pretty darn good writer so even if I dislike something I hear he's going to write, I have faith that I'll like it a lot more than expected. My bigger worry about this arc is Sleepwalker. Aside from the art in that series there wasn't a whole lot of good in Sleepwalker.
>
> If Brian Reed wanted to use Puppet Master's abilities n a villain, he should have created a new one.
>
> Turning a villain who had depth and character into a cackling, sadistic villain has been played to death too. Alicia at least gave Puppet Master some humanity. Now, he's little different from Purple Man or Mandrill.

Agree...and thats probably why I will cancel this particular subscription.


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