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Merzah the Mystic




Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel? There are obviously a lot of white and asian (Mandarin, Yellow claw, fu manchu, etc.) evil world beaters. but i realized i couldnt think of any major black villains, you know ones that can threaten the world or part of it. or have some ambition beyond just stealing money.

the black ones i think of tend to be on the less powered side and often become semi-heroes (rocket racer, prowler, equinox, etc) almost like the writers feel guilty about writing black villains and have to make them "misunderstood". others are just part of a larger group, like thunderball or man-ape

anyway, im sure there are some major league black villains out there. I just cant think of any at the moment. can anyone help me out?


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mjyoung




> Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel? There are obviously a lot of white and asian (Mandarin, Yellow claw, fu manchu, etc.) evil world beaters. but i realized i couldnt think of any major black villains, you know ones that can threaten the world or part of it. or have some ambition beyond just stealing money.

> the black ones i think of tend to be on the less powered side and often become semi-heroes (rocket racer, prowler, equinox, etc) almost like the writers feel guilty about writing black villains and have to make them "misunderstood". others are just part of a larger group, like thunderball or man-ape

That's part of it. Regardless of intentions of the writers, a white man continuously beating up a black man isn't socially acceptable.

Others reasons include the fact that most A-list villains were created in the 60s, a time when racial groups weren't shown a lot in various media. Another reasons is that most comic writers are white males, and they prefer to write white male characters.

> anyway, im sure there are some major league black villains out there. I just cant think of any at the moment. can anyone help me out?

Apocalypse is probably the most popular. But of course you can say that he doesn't look black. Others include Kilmonger and Man-Ape (major Black Panther villains), Cardiac, Tombstone, and Vermin (minor Spider-Man villains), Alex and Geoffrey Wilder (of Runaways), Thunderball (Wrecking Crew), Cardinal and Midnight's Fire (New Warriors villains), Barracuda (Punisher), Moses Magnum and Tempo (X-Men villains), etc.

So they are out there, with various degrees of popularity. For a somewhat more extensive list try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_supervillains .


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Bryan D




There was that bad guy from the League of Losers arc in Team-up..he was pretty powerful, but not used since.

I also would add SPHINX I and II

And i remember a Dr.Strange women named Solome or somthing

all these had high power levels.




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Travis Ian




> Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel? There are obviously a lot of white and asian (Mandarin, Yellow claw, fu manchu, etc.) evil world beaters. but i realized i couldnt think of any major black villains, you know ones that can threaten the world or part of it. or have some ambition beyond just stealing money.
>
> the black ones i think of tend to be on the less powered side and often become semi-heroes (rocket racer, prowler, equinox, etc) almost like the writers feel guilty about writing black villains and have to make them "misunderstood". others are just part of a larger group, like thunderball or man-ape
>
> anyway, im sure there are some major league black villains out there. I just cant think of any at the moment. can anyone help me out?


Tombstone, Cardiac, Calypso (by no means "popular," but she is Haitian), Hypno Hustler (he counts, right?), Tempo, Frenzy, Moses Magnum, Lion God (I assume he's black), Bushmaster, Cottonmouth, Thunderball, Hammer (of Hammer and Anvil), Kiber the Cruel, Man-Ape, Killmonger, Chemistro, Nekra, Black Talon, Black Racer, Vertigo (Salem's Seven), Diamondback (Cage foe), Bison, Miss Arrow (from Spider-Man), The Advisor (War Machine enemy), Aries II, Bliss (Morlocks), Bushman (Moon Knight villain), Cardinal, Centurius, Darkoth (Fantastic Four enemy), Foxfire (Squadron Supreme), Impala, Jack-in-the-Box (Weapon X), King Bedlam, Locus (well, she's been appearing as a black woman longer than she appeared as a white woman by now), Midnight Sun (I LOVED THIS GUY WHEN I WAS A KID!), Midnight's Fire, Mr. Fish, Mr. Fish II (his brother), Nightshade, Powerhouse (the female one), Punchout (Genoshan), Rock Python, Scorcher, Vermin, Alex Wilder (essentially, he was a mole), Geoffrey Wilder.

I got most of the latter ones (the ones in mostly alphabetical order) from a category listing on Wikipedia, so take those with a grain of salt if you must. It seems most of these villains are sorely underused or just jokes or one-offs. The Advisor never appeared again. Miss Arrow...was she actually a spider-creature or a woman overrun by a spider-creature-thingamabob? Impala isn't really a "villain" I don't think. An opportunist perhaps. Mercenary? I didn't include characters like Apocalypse, Asp, Living Mummy, Sphinx, et al because they're Egyptian and Egyptian does not equal black. In fact, it rarely equates black, at least in my experience. And those characters have never been portrayed as such.

On a side note, I think Bushman has the potential to be badass if used properly (and it seems he was in his more recent appearances). Moses Magnum could be a top-tier super-villain is ever properly utilized and not made a fool of. Why has no one touched Midnight Sun in almost twenty years? Is he still with the Inhumans? Where is he?! He's such an awesome character and a great, weird visual I think. Childhood friends (basically a brother to) with Shang-Chi and then used by the Kree as a pawn against the Silver Surfer. That's diverse. Geoffrey Wilder, if, you know, not dead (or "dead"? Which is it?), would no doubt be a formidable villain in the MU.

DC seems to have a few more established black villains than Marvel. Shadow Thief and Black Manta come to mind. Interesting topic. Even more interesting to see how pitiful the selection actually is. This characters are ripe for development. Well, except for maybe Mr. Fish.

---Travis Ian


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autochron




Nightshade, Tombstone, Black Talon, Erik Killmonger... All formidable villains, esp. Killmonger... I always thought Chemistro could have been a more "A" level villain. Chemistro is very underwritten: nobody has realized his potential! Actually the only A level villain above may be Killmonger...

And then there are THREE: Chemistro, The White Ape (almost forgot) and and Nightshade... THE LETHAL LEGION!

VS. Cage, The Black Widow, and Captain America I! That would be an interesting conflict! Photon's not there because... Light can alter most chemical reactions and... She's immune to Nightshade and she'll rip into the White Ape.

I think the villains cross all barriers just like the heroes... But the heroes make the difference, regardless of skin pigmentation... Or race... Or sex... Or Subphylum... Or make of Buick... Or choice of breakfast (IHOP)...

> Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel? There are obviously a lot of white and asian (Mandarin, Yellow claw, fu manchu, etc.) evil world beaters. but i realized i couldnt think of any major black villains, you know ones that can threaten the world or part of it. or have some ambition beyond just stealing money.
>
> the black ones i think of tend to be on the less powered side and often become semi-heroes (rocket racer, prowler, equinox, etc) almost like the writers feel guilty about writing black villains and have to make them "misunderstood". others are just part of a larger group, like thunderball or man-ape
>
> anyway, im sure there are some major league black villains out there. I just cant think of any at the moment. can anyone help me out?



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Ohotmu the all-knowing




> Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel?

I can think of a couple with the tools to be a real threats, even to some teams. However, while they have A-list power, I wouldn't consider them as having A-list profile in terms of notariety (sp?).

Thunderball:
- it seems that most writers along the way have forgotten that this guy has a genius-level intellect, and was a very accomplished physicist on par with Bruce Banner. It seems the last time I remember this being demonstrated was in the "Breakout from the Vault" graphic novel. Since then, he's just been cast as a sadistic s.o.b. with a hip-hop flava and not much apparent intellect.
Toward the end of Avengers vol. 3, there was a storyline where the team was fighting the Wrecking Crew in England. I felt that this characterization of Thunderball was more right-on with where he should be. He kinda ran the show. He slapped down the Wrecker when he got lippy. But, alas, it turned out that it was someone posing as Thunderball.
As much as some people hate to see the Wrecking Crew show up as that antagonists, I think if they team had some intellect, planning, vision, and direction, they'd be truly formidable. And unless there's some limitation in the powers that prevents them from eliminating the Wrecker, I would've expected Thunderball to destroy him long ago.

Moses Magnum:
- The first time I ever saw ole Mo' was in an Uncanny X-Men comic, circa issue 110. I saw somewhere else that he was a Black Panther villain, which I didn't know. However, I *did* know that he held his own against the entire team of Avengers in volume 3.
I don't know much about him, but he seemed to have enough organization about him to represent a legit threat.

my dark horse (no pun intended) is Magus:
- No, I'm not referring to the Siredam of Warlock from the New Mutants. I'm referring to the character who was basically the antithesis of Adam Warlock.
I don't remember much about him except that he was a legit adversary for Adam Warlock back in the day. Since we've seen quite a bit of Adam Warlock, especially in the last few year, but precious little of Magus since the mid-70's, I presume that the Magus character is dead.
But who is to say that there isn't some black cocoon out there somewhere that's incubating Magus for his next incarnation?

The rest of the characters that I could think of were so obscure, they WISH they could be referred to as B-listers.

Ohotmu




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Bryan D




> > Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel?
>
> I can think of a couple with the tools to be a real threats, even to some teams. However, while they have A-list power, I wouldn't consider them as having A-list profile in terms of notariety (sp?).
>
> Thunderball:
> - it seems that most writers along the way have forgotten that this guy has a genius-level intellect, and was a very accomplished physicist on par with Bruce Banner. It seems the last time I remember this being demonstrated was in the "Breakout from the Vault" graphic novel. Since then, he's just been cast as a sadistic s.o.b. with a hip-hop flava and not much apparent intellect.
> Toward the end of Avengers vol. 3, there was a storyline where the team was fighting the Wrecking Crew in England. I felt that this characterization of Thunderball was more right-on with where he should be. He kinda ran the show. He slapped down the Wrecker when he got lippy. But, alas, it turned out that it was someone posing as Thunderball.
> As much as some people hate to see the Wrecking Crew show up as that antagonists, I think if they team had some intellect, planning, vision, and direction, they'd be truly formidable. And unless there's some limitation in the powers that prevents them from eliminating the Wrecker, I would've expected Thunderball to destroy him long ago.
>

I agre with you on this...but the wrecking crew have had some decent showings.

> Moses Magnum:
> - The first time I ever saw ole Mo' was in an Uncanny X-Men comic, circa issue 110. I saw somewhere else that he was a Black Panther villain, which I didn't know. However, I *did* know that he held his own against the entire team of Avengers in volume 3.
> I don't know much about him, but he seemed to have enough organization about him to represent a legit threat.
>

I have vague memories too. But his cool name is has anti-hero written all over him.

> my dark horse (no pun intended) is Magus:
> - No, I'm not referring to the Siredam of Warlock from the New Mutants. I'm referring to the character who was basically the antithesis of Adam Warlock.
> I don't remember much about him except that he was a legit adversary for Adam Warlock back in the day. Since we've seen quite a bit of Adam Warlock, especially in the last few year, but precious little of Magus since the mid-70's, I presume that the Magus character is dead.
> But who is to say that there isn't some black cocoon out there somewhere that's incubating Magus for his next incarnation?
>

Wait you mean the guy from Infinity WAR??

He was purple with white hair...not exactly african american.

Plus he had PLENTY of exposure in the 1990s

> The rest of the characters that I could think of were so obscure, they WISH they could be referred to as B-listers.
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> Ohotmu
>
>

How about MIDNIGHT SON???

THE GREATEST MARVEL CHARCTER IN THE HISTORY OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE???




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Grey Gargoyle




> Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel? There are obviously a lot of white and asian (Mandarin, Yellow claw, fu manchu, etc.) evil world beaters. but i realized i couldnt think of any major black villains, you know ones that can threaten the world or part of it. or have some ambition beyond just stealing money.

Killmonger could be described as a "reverse T'Challa", making him quite the dangerous opponent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Killmonger
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Killmonger


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zeus


Location: Plano, IL
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


> > Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel?
>
> I can think of a couple with the tools to be a real threats, even to some teams. However, while they have A-list power, I wouldn't consider them as having A-list profile in terms of notariety (sp?).
>
> Thunderball:
> - it seems that most writers along the way have forgotten that this guy has a genius-level intellect, and was a very accomplished physicist on par with Bruce Banner. It seems the last time I remember this being demonstrated was in the "Breakout from the Vault" graphic novel. Since then, he's just been cast as a sadistic s.o.b. with a hip-hop flava and not much apparent intellect.
> Toward the end of Avengers vol. 3, there was a storyline where the team was fighting the Wrecking Crew in England. I felt that this characterization of Thunderball was more right-on with where he should be. He kinda ran the show. He slapped down the Wrecker when he got lippy. But, alas, it turned out that it was someone posing as Thunderball.

While I was glad someone finally remembered the guy was smart, I don't think he was characterized very well in that Avengers story. He was well versed in literature sure, but not necessarily "big time physics guy". I dislike it when eveyone who is "smart" is constantly quoting literature a la the Beast. It's like Marvel geniouses who are experts in EVERY field known to man.

My favorite Thunderbal story is "Round Robin: The Sidekick's Revenge" from Amazing Spider-Man (a 6 issue run a little after issue #350). He was depowered, and had to build himself a suit, but he showed some practical intelligence in dealing with people (both in and out of spandex costumes). He also showed that he was well versed in technology by building himself a battle suit that simulated his old "Wrecking Crew" powers. As tired as I am of the Wrecking Crew, I think every member of the Crew would benefit from some panel time as a solo act, or as part of a different grouping to develop a little as characters.

> As much as some people hate to see the Wrecking Crew show up as that antagonists, I think if they team had some intellect, planning, vision, and direction, they'd be truly formidable. And unless there's some limitation in the powers that prevents them from eliminating the Wrecker, I would've expected Thunderball to destroy him long ago.
>
> Moses Magnum:
> - The first time I ever saw ole Mo' was in an Uncanny X-Men comic, circa issue 110. I saw somewhere else that he was a Black Panther villain, which I didn't know. However, I *did* know that he held his own against the entire team of Avengers in volume 3.
> I don't know much about him, but he seemed to have enough organization about him to represent a legit threat.

Yeah, I'd like to see MM rise up and become a major threat.

KILLMONGER! KILLMONGER!

Use Priest's Killmonger as a major world threat. The guy has geneteically enhanced speed, strength, agility; fights at Black Panther's level; understands and manipulates the world economy, politics, psychology. He ought to be a major schemer that the good guys can never quite catch in the act.


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Todd Arliss




> Are there any A-list black or African villains at marvel? There are obviously a lot of white and asian (Mandarin, Yellow claw, fu manchu, etc.) evil world beaters. but i realized i couldnt think of any major black villains, you know ones that can threaten the world or part of it. or have some ambition beyond just stealing money.
>
> the black ones i think of tend to be on the less powered side and often become semi-heroes (rocket racer, prowler, equinox, etc) almost like the writers feel guilty about writing black villains and have to make them "misunderstood". others are just part of a larger group, like thunderball or man-ape
>
> anyway, im sure there are some major league black villains out there. I just cant think of any at the moment. can anyone help me out?

The ones I can really think of that you describe are;

Moses Magnum

Chemistro

Kiber the Cruel

Nightshade



Those are the ones I can think of.


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Ohotmu the all-knowing




>
> Wait you mean the guy from Infinity WAR??
>
> He was purple with white hair...not exactly african american.
>
> Plus he had PLENTY of exposure in the 1990s

Ah, well I guess he's back then. Or was.

During the 90's, the only thing I bought was the Avengers. Prior to Annihilation: Conquest, I hadn't even seen Adam Warlock since Avengers Annual #7, I think.

Ohotmu


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