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Aside from cosmetic differences is there a real difference? From what I've heard the sword of might is really Excalibur and together they can be an all-powerful weapon capable of reshaping the cosmic.

But on their own what is the difference? As far as I can tell they grant the exact same abilities. The only thing I can tell is one is the path of violence, but why is that such a choice?

And why was Lionheart unable to see her children for choosing the sword and why did Brian not tell her?

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> Aside from cosmetic differences is there a real difference? From
> what I've heard the sword of might is really Excalibur and together
> they can be an all-powerful weapon capable of reshaping the cosmic.
>
> But on their own what is the difference? As far as I can tell they
> grant the exact same abilities.

There doesn't seem to be any significant difference when it comes to power. The only difference is one of philosophy.

> The only thing I can tell is one is the path of violence, but why is
> that such a choice?

It just is. It's part of the bargain Merlin and Roma offer to their chosen.

> And why was Lionheart unable to see her children for choosing the
> sword and why did Brian not tell her?

Austen. There really is no other answer. It's moot now, though, since she's back with her kids.




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> There doesn't seem to be any significant difference when it comes to power. The only difference is one of philosophy.
>
So, because the sword is viewed as representing violence those who pick up are seen to prefer that path while those who pick the amulet are viewed as picking the path of righteousness. With the problem of that being if one A. Does not know which one represents one may just pick the sword or if B. One does not think the amulet as any power to help one might pick the sword, but could in truth be a good person and not corrupted by the power since neither object nor is in itself evil or necessarily a path to evil. Am I understanding this correctly?



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> >
> > There doesn't seem to be any significant difference when it comes to power. The only difference is one of philosophy.
> >
> So, because the sword is viewed as representing violence those who pick up are seen to prefer that path while those who pick the amulet are viewed as picking the path of righteousness. With the problem of that being if one A. Does not know which one represents one may just pick the sword or if B. One does not think the amulet as any power to help one might pick the sword, but could in truth be a good person and not corrupted by the power since neither object nor is in itself evil or necessarily a path to evil. Am I understanding this correctly?

I believe in the instances we've seen, the chooser has known that they are known as the Sword of Might and the Amulet of Right, so has to choose which best suits their nature.

It's akin to Solomon choosing "wisdom" as his gift of God, not a flashy gift, but a profound one. He could have asked for power, but knew that it would not be being true to his nature.


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> > > There doesn't seem to be any significant difference when it
> > > comes to power. The only difference is one of philosophy.
> >
> > So, because the sword is viewed as representing violence those who
> > pick up are seen to prefer that path while those who pick the
> > amulet are viewed as picking the path of righteousness. With the
> > problem of that being if one A. Does not know which one represents
> > one may just pick the sword or if B. One does not think the amulet
> > as any power to help one might pick the sword, but could in truth
> > be a good person and not corrupted by the power since neither
> > object nor is in itself evil or necessarily a path to evil. Am I
> > understanding this correctly?
>
> I believe in the instances we've seen, the chooser has known that
> they are known as the Sword of Might and the Amulet of Right, so has
> to choose which best suits their nature.

Lionheart wasn't told what they represent until after she made her choice. She was just shown a sword and an amulet. In fact, Kelsey asked, and Meggan even told her that she and Brian were not allowed to say what each artifact represents. So, basically, Kelsey just chose a sword over jewelry. Of all of Austen's failures, I'm unable to forgive this one the most. It's bloody horrific.

> It's akin to Solomon choosing "wisdom" as his gift of God, not a
> flashy gift, but a profound one. He could have asked for power, but
> knew that it would not be being true to his nature.

Yeah.




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> Lionheart wasn't told what they represent until after she made her choice. She was just shown a sword and an amulet. In fact, Kelsey asked, and Meggan even told her that she and Brian were not allowed to say what each artifact represents. So, basically, Kelsey just chose a sword over jewelry. Of all of Austen's failures, I'm unable to forgive this one the most. It's bloody horrific.
>
I'm not sure if I'd consider this his worst failure, but the entire plot never made much sense in the first place. Why would Brian and Meggan put a curse on a mom that made her unable to see her children if the mother in question wasn't abusive? There's no way to have them do this and remain heroes by any definition of the word.
Michael


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The Black Guardian

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> > Lionheart wasn't told what they represent until after she made her
> > choice. She was just shown a sword and an amulet. In fact, Kelsey
> > asked, and Meggan even told her that she and Brian were not allowed
> > to say what each artifact represents. So, basically, Kelsey just
> > chose a sword over jewelry. Of all of Austen's failures, I'm unable
> > to forgive this one the most. It's bloody horrific.
>
> I'm not sure if I'd consider this his worst failure, but the entire
> plot never made much sense in the first place. Why would Brian and
> Meggan put a curse on a mom that made her unable to see her children
> if the mother in question wasn't abusive? There's no way to have them
> do this and remain heroes by any definition of the word.

That's why I consider it his worst failure. As much as people complain about exploding communion wafers, Nightcrawler's dad, and Lorna the sex maniac, his portrayal of Brian and Meggan was far, far worse.




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What's actually sort of wonky about this whole thing, as well, is that several members of the Corps actually carry swords (Chevalie Bretagne, for example).


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> >
> > >
> > > There doesn't seem to be any significant difference when it comes to power. The only difference is one of philosophy.
> > >
> > So, because the sword is viewed as representing violence those who pick up are seen to prefer that path while those who pick the amulet are viewed as picking the path of righteousness. With the problem of that being if one A. Does not know which one represents one may just pick the sword or if B. One does not think the amulet as any power to help one might pick the sword, but could in truth be a good person and not corrupted by the power since neither object nor is in itself evil or necessarily a path to evil. Am I understanding this correctly?
>
> I believe in the instances we've seen, the chooser has known that they are known as the Sword of Might and the Amulet of Right, so has to choose which best suits their nature.
>
> It's akin to Solomon choosing "wisdom" as his gift of God, not a flashy gift, but a profound one. He could have asked for power, but knew that it would not be being true to his nature.

So, while the Sword of Might would indicate one is closer to violence it does not mean they are in essence evil or going down a path of evil. They just might think violence is the best way to resolve the current situation. (Which considering what Captain Britain often has to deal with seems to be the case most of the time.)


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>
> Lionheart wasn't told what they represent until after she made her choice. She was just shown a sword and an amulet. In fact, Kelsey asked, and Meggan even told her that she and Brian were not allowed to say what each artifact represents. So, basically, Kelsey just chose a sword over jewelry. Of all of Austen's failures, I'm unable to forgive this one the most. It's bloody horrific.
>
Yeah, I can see how in a desperate situation one would choose a sword over fancy jewelry. That and the whole curse bit doesn't make any sense. I can see why she would blame him for not telling her.

> > It's akin to Solomon choosing "wisdom" as his gift of God, not a
> > flashy gift, but a profound one. He could have asked for power, but
> > knew that it would not be being true to his nature.
>
> Yeah.

I suppose choosing the path of violence would indicate one is of lesser moral character than one who chose the amulet so I can see why they would prefer people who chose it, but if the person they are offering the power to is a good person in nature (which with all of roma' magic I think she would know) and if the sword is not inherintly evil or tending to corrupt than the amulet I can see why people would have issues with prejudice against the sword of might. Espically considering how vauge the descriptions are. (Afterall, one would consider the path of peace "right," but if someone chose the amulet and refused to use violence at all against certain threats that could cause greater harm than a person using the sword.)


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