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emerick-man
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Subject: SI starting points? Posted Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 02:08:41 pm EDT (Viewed 202 times) |
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Has there been an online interview verifying when which/all Marvel writers were informed at what point in MU history the skrulls replaced all/each of the characters replaced?
Or is it more likely Editorial informed most (all?) to just write stories of MU characters AS IF they were the real deal? This might've been to ensure Event secrecy, promote story believability, avoid disagreements, or some other reason. Then, recently or on an individual need to know basis were they told?
For example was Captain Marvel planned since FL or did it evolve into Captain Khn'nr? Was the switch point of Hank Pym debated inhouse or was it a unilateral decision? Is it possible some skrulls reveals have been or will be changed because of internet discussion/observations? Stuff like that.
Do all the writers know at this time when the very first switch for SI was made in MU chronolgy?
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mjyoung

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Subject: Re: SI starting points? [Re: emerick-man] Posted Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 03:01:58 pm EDT (Viewed 142 times) |
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> Has there been an online interview verifying when which/all Marvel writers were informed at what point in MU history the skrulls replaced all/each of the characters replaced?
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No there hasn't and there probably won't be one. So far, the only skrull reveals have been Bendis characters (Dugan, Yellowjacket, Elektra), so no other writer really needed to know. I'm sure the main writers and editors at Marvel knew the reveals since they were talked about at many of the meetings Marvel had with its staff and creators.
But hypothetically, if Black Panther was a skrull, I'm sure it was done with the consent of Hudlin.
> Or is it more likely Editorial informed most (all?) to just write stories of MU characters AS IF they were the real deal? This might've been to ensure Event secrecy, promote story believability, avoid disagreements, or some other reason. Then, recently or on an individual need to know basis were they told?
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I don't think it's really applicable. I'm sure when Dugan had a small guest appearance in Wolverine origins, Way wasn't necessarily told.
> For example was Captain Marvel planned since FL or did it evolve into Captain Khn'nr? Was the switch point of Hank Pym debated inhouse or was it a unilateral decision? Is it possible some skrulls reveals have been or will be changed because of internet discussion/observations? Stuff like that.
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Captain Marvel was most likely planned since his re-introduction.
Hank Pym's switch was probably discussed before the switch itself happened, since Bendis and Breevroot (his editor) had been planning this since New Avengers started. And Pym himself was switched sometime between New Avengers issues 3? and 12?
Skrull revelations aren't going to be changed due to fan reactions. The main miniseries is already done. Also, Marvel has stated that they decided on the revelations a while ago, and wouldn't change/add new ones after a certain date.
> Do all the writers know at this time when the very first switch for SI was made in MU chronolgy?
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The first switch appears to have been Elektra. It's kind of unclear when the switch took place, but it appears to be right before New Avengers started. Bendis has stated that the Elektra that made an early appearance in his Daredevil run was the real one. The next issue of Mighty Avengers shows us when Elektra was replaced.
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The Black Guardian
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Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: SI starting points? [Re: mjyoung] Posted Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 09:24:04 pm EDT (Viewed 137 times) |
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> > Or is it more likely Editorial informed most (all?) to just write
> > stories of MU characters AS IF they were the real deal? This
> > might've been to ensure Event secrecy, promote story
> > believability, avoid disagreements, or some other reason. Then,
> > recently or on an individual need to know basis were they told?
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> I don't think it's really applicable. I'm sure when Dugan had a
> small guest appearance in Wolverine origins, Way wasn't necessarily
> told.
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It wouldn't have been necessary, because Dugan was still the real deal in that story. Dugan wasn't replaced until after the end of Civil War.
> > For example was Captain Marvel planned since FL or did it evolve
> > into Captain Khn'nr? Was the switch point of Hank Pym debated
> > inhouse or was it a unilateral decision? Is it possible some
> > skrulls reveals have been or will be changed because of internet
> > discussion/observations? Stuff like that.
>
> Captain Marvel was most likely planned since his re-introduction.
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> Hank Pym's switch was probably discussed before the switch itself
> happened, since Bendis and Breevroot (his editor) had been planning
> this since New Avengers started. And Pym himself was switched
> sometime between New Avengers issues 3? and 12?
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Pym was replaced before New Avengers began, sometime between Avengers Finale and Beyond!.
> > Do all the writers know at this time when the very first switch
> > for SI was made in MU chronolgy?
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> The first switch appears to have been Elektra. It's kind of unclear
> when the switch took place, but it appears to be right before New
> Avengers started. Bendis has stated that the Elektra that made an
> early appearance in his Daredevil run was the real one. The next
> issue of Mighty Avengers shows us when Elektra was replaced.
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I'm betting it was during her appearances in Tieri's Wolverine.
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mjyoung

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Subject: Re: SI starting points? [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 10:58:58 pm EDT (Viewed 131 times) |
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> > I don't think it's really applicable. I'm sure when Dugan had a
> > small guest appearance in Wolverine origins, Way wasn't necessarily
> > told.
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> It wouldn't have been necessary, because Dugan was still the real deal in that story. Dugan wasn't replaced until after the end of Civil War.
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We don't know the relationship between that WO story arc and Civil War. So we don't know if that was a pre or post Civil War appearance of Dugan.
But I would tend to think that the Dugan shown in WO was a skrull since he died in the story, but was fully recovered in his next appearance without any explanation. Skrulls who replaced characters have been shown to have "died" on several occasions only to come back without any explanation.
> Pym was replaced before New Avengers began, sometime between Avengers Finale and Beyond!.
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No. According to Mighty Avengesr, Pym was replaced sometime after New Avengers (the team) began, but before House of M. That would put it somewhere between NA issues 3? and 12? (approximately). we know that the real Hank Pym was active during the NA Breakout story because we see him reacting to the event.
> > The first switch appears to have been Elektra. It's kind of unclear
> > when the switch took place, but it appears to be right before New
> > Avengers started. Bendis has stated that the Elektra that made an
> > early appearance in his Daredevil run was the real one. The next
> > issue of Mighty Avengers shows us when Elektra was replaced.
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> I'm betting it was during her appearances in Tieri's Wolverine.
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Elektra wasn't in Tieris run (which I loved). She only appeared in Wolverine's solo series during the end of Hama's run (from issues 100 to 112?) and in Millar's run (20 to 22). I would have to think it happened during Millar's run, perhaps when she was killed and revived by the Hand. But we will find out in the next issue of MA.
I hope I was clear enough. I think most of the stuff fits together if you know everything that is going on in certain titles, but few people do.
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The Black Guardian
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Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: SI starting points? [Re: mjyoung] Posted Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:45:17 am EDT (Viewed 135 times) |
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> > > I don't think it's really applicable. I'm sure when Dugan had a
> > > small guest appearance in Wolverine origins, Way wasn't
> > > necessarily told.
> >
> > It wouldn't have been necessary, because Dugan was still the real
> > deal in that story. Dugan wasn't replaced until after the end of
> > Civil War.
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> We don't know the relationship between that WO story arc and Civil
> War. So we don't know if that was a pre or post Civil War appearance
> of Dugan.
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> But I would tend to think that the Dugan shown in WO was a skrull
> since he died in the story, but was fully recovered in his next
> appearance without any explanation. Skrulls who replaced characters
> have been shown to have "died" on several occasions only to come
> back without any explanation.
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I find it impossible to reconcile this. Far too much happened after that story. IMO, Daken has to have taken place well before Cap's death. In fact, Quesada even said in an interview afterwards that Dugan survived Daken's attack.
> > Pym was replaced before New Avengers began, sometime
> > between Avengers Finale and Beyond!.
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> No. According to Mighty Avengesr, Pym was replaced sometime after
> New Avengers (the team) began, but before House of M. That would put
> it somewhere between NA issues 3? and 12? (approximately). we know
> that the real Hank Pym was active during the NA Breakout story
> because we see him reacting to the event.
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There's a conflict. In New Avengers, immediately after the breakout, the Queen meets with Skrull Hank.
> > I'm betting it was during her appearances in Tieri's
> > Wolverine.
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> Elektra wasn't in Tieris run (which I loved). She only appeared in
> Wolverine's solo series during the end of Hama's run (from issues
> 100 to 112?) and in Millar's run (20 to 22). I would have to think
> it happened during Millar's run, perhaps when she was killed and
> revived by the Hand. But we will find out in the next issue of MA.
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Whoops. Yeah, I meant Millar's run.
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mjyoung

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Subject: Re: SI starting points? [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 02:13:14 am EDT (Viewed 137 times) |
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> > But I would tend to think that the Dugan shown in WO was a skrull
> > since he died in the story, but was fully recovered in his next
> > appearance without any explanation. Skrulls who replaced characters
> > have been shown to have "died" on several occasions only to come
> > back without any explanation.
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> I find it impossible to reconcile this. Far too much happened after that story. IMO, Daken has to have taken place well before Cap's death.
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There were 6 issues between Dugans death in WO (#10) and when Civil War was referenced in WO (#16).
> In fact, Quesada even said in an interview afterwards that Dugan survived Daken's attack.
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Exactly. "He" did survive the attack. If Quesada knew he was a skrull (and he would have) he would have said the same thing. One of the things Marvel told us to look for to detect a skrull was to look at any unexplained resurrections.
> > > Pym was replaced before New Avengers began, sometime
> > > between Avengers Finale and Beyond!.
> >
> > No. According to Mighty Avengesr, Pym was replaced sometime after
> > New Avengers (the team) began, but before House of M. That would put
> > it somewhere between NA issues 3? and 12? (approximately). we know
> > that the real Hank Pym was active during the NA Breakout story
> > because we see him reacting to the event.
>
> There's a conflict. In New Avengers, immediately after the breakout, the Queen meets with Skrull Hank.
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I was wrong when I said (the team).
There was an unspecified amount of time between issues 3 (the breakout) and issues 4 (the team getting together) of NA.
When the breakout occurred, Hank Pym was in England (as seen in MA). He was replaced in England. We can assume that Skrull-Pym came back to America right after replacing the original. Perhaps to be closer to the action, and since there would be no reason for him to remain in England.
> Whoops. Yeah, I meant Millar's run.
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Again, we were suppose to be paying attention to unexplained deaths and resurrections, so it makes sense for her replacement to occure then. But we will find out soon enough.
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