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Merzah




Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.


to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).

any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?


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Ragnarok




I think Kraven's plan against Spiderman in Kraven's Last Hunt would be my vote for best villain plot.

Others....

Thanos' plan to acquire all the infinity gems as depicted in Thanos Quest.

Doom's plot to steal the Beyonder's power in Secret Wars.




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Slim




> any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?

I liked how the Scorpion robbed a bank once.
More recently, I liked how the Hood robbed a bank once.

Much more believable than, say, some demon erasing a marriage or some aliens impersonating random superheroes.


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EmeraldGiant




> I think Kraven's plan against Spiderman in Kraven's Last Hunt would be my vote for best villain plot.
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> Others....
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> Thanos' plan to acquire all the infinity gems as depicted in Thanos Quest.
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> Doom's plot to steal the Beyonder's power in Secret Wars.
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I think Skull's current scheme in Captain America is pretty impressive. The way that current events are being portrayed as part of Skull's plan to destroy America is really interesting. On top of the creativity of the plan, it hasn't even been fully realized yet. We are probably about 30 or more issues into this scheme and it is starting to take effect. I do not mean that in a "this is too dragged out way!" but in a "what the hell can happen next way?"


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FLuX




Zemo's plan at the beginning of Thunderbolts I think \:\)

> Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?



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zeus


Location: Plano, IL
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That skrull who took over Hydra, used it's resources to throw a few fights/confrontations against Captain America. "Cap-mania" grew to insane levels (this is during "Heroes Return", so the Avengers, et. al have just "returned from the dead"), and then impersonated Cap.

As Cap, the skrull got on nationwide t.v. and revealed his two compatriots as skrulls, announcing that 1 in 20 people in America was a skrull. Americans everywhere should help Cap by beating up everyone who acts suspicious or different because they must be a skrull.

It worked, for the most part. If skrull-Cap hadn't gotten cocky at the end and made it personal against Cap, it would have caused a lot more damage than it already did.

> Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?



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Doc Shallot




> Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?

Seige of the Mansion was very good. Other posters have posted some good ones too.

One that comes to mind is the Kingpin destroying Matt Murdoch's life piece by piece in Fall From Grace.






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> Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?



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Omar Karindu


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> That skrull who took over Hydra, used it's resources to throw a few fights/confrontations against Captain America. "Cap-mania" grew to insane levels (this is during "Heroes Return", so the Avengers, et. al have just "returned from the dead"), and then impersonated Cap.
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> As Cap, the skrull got on nationwide t.v. and revealed his two compatriots as skrulls, announcing that 1 in 20 people in America was a skrull. Americans everywhere should help Cap by beating up everyone who acts suspicious or different because they must be a skrull.
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> It worked, for the most part. If skrull-Cap hadn't gotten cocky at the end and made it personal against Cap, it would have caused a lot more damage than it already did.

Though it was undermined a bit by the revelation in Avengers v.3 #7 that the Supreme Intelligence of the Kree mentally manipulated the "Sensational HYDRA" Skrull the whole time.

> > Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> > to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> > any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?





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zeus


Location: Plano, IL
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> > That skrull who took over Hydra, used it's resources to throw a few fights/confrontations against Captain America. "Cap-mania" grew to insane levels (this is during "Heroes Return", so the Avengers, et. al have just "returned from the dead"), and then impersonated Cap.
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> > As Cap, the skrull got on nationwide t.v. and revealed his two compatriots as skrulls, announcing that 1 in 20 people in America was a skrull. Americans everywhere should help Cap by beating up everyone who acts suspicious or different because they must be a skrull.
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> > It worked, for the most part. If skrull-Cap hadn't gotten cocky at the end and made it personal against Cap, it would have caused a lot more damage than it already did.
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> Though it was undermined a bit by the revelation in Avengers v.3 #7 that the Supreme Intelligence of the Kree mentally manipulated the "Sensational HYDRA" Skrull the whole time.

I had forgotten about that. What was the deal, Supreme Intelligence was working to increase a sense of xenophobia on Earth to stack the deck against his Lunatic Legion, right?
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> > > Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> > > to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> > > any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?



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zeus


Location: Plano, IL
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


> Zemo's plan at the beginning of Thunderbolts I think \:\)
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> > Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> > to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> > any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?

Mansion Seige was pretty darn good. Zemo has taken the lead early here, proving what an under-rated character he is.


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Piotr W.




... a example of the villain outsmarting the hero on every turn - and also *winning* in the end.

"Ground Zero" is a rare story where "evil genius" actually *acts* like a genius.


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autochron




1) The fact that Dr. Doom has successfully gained and kept control of Latveria all these years
2) The Mansion Seige
3) The current Red Skull storyline in Captain America.

> Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?



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Nyssie




circa Captain America #308-313. \:\)

> Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?



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Fiasco




> Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
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> to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
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> any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?





With apologies, some are not exactly Marvel comics but here's some plots that I feel stand out:

Bane freeing the insane inmates of Arkham to wear down the Batman and then, when he was exhausted, break him.

Kraven's last hunt as others suggested.

Yes, the seige of the Avengers mansion as you suggested.

Iron Man's manipulations to make the SHRA a reality (sorry true believers, even if Marvel says he isn't, he's a bad guy). He got the power he wanted, took away people's basic human rights and thus eliminated the majority of his opposition, AND he got the government to sign off on it and make him out to be a hero despite his treachery. Cite all the gray areas of right and wrong that you want, THAT'S evil at it's finest.

Dr Doom stipulating the he name the Richard's daughter (may not seem like much, but in the long run, they'll always know who named her - their mortal enemy - now that's some sweet evil justice) - Valeria.

In the same vein, Mr Fear permanently driving Matt Murdoch's wife Milla insane. Thus etching a place in his foe's memory forever.

Of course, Kingpin systematically destroyed Matt's life (and thus Daredevil's) as Doc Shallot suggested

Both the smartest and yet also the dumbest "plot" was Lex Luthor gathering intel and data to figure out who Superman is. Once the inevitable conclusion that Supes was Clark Kent came across, Luthor then dismissed it, saying that Superman wouldn't pass himself off as human.

Britney Spears getting people to think she has or even HAD talent.

Terminator planting Terra on the Titans to learn their secrets.

Lyja, posing as Alicia to infiltrate and spy on the FF, even switching to seduce Johnny when Ben Grimm left the team temporarily. This of course supercedes the current Skrull invasion, which is a similar idea with grander reprecussions. Best part about this plot is that, i'm fairly sure, it was all a retcon to undo Johnny Storm's marriage to Alicia.

Galactus confining Silver Surfer to Earth. When all was said and done, it was poetic revenge for SS's "betrayal." Even more amusing was the solution, given years later, that he could have left all along, as long as he went without his board.

Red Skull managing to survive another one of his supposed deaths by inhabiting a clone of Steve Rogers body.


My all-time non-comics favorite:
Hans Gruber and his thugs posing as terrorists when in reality they were just using terrorism as a smoke screen and really stealing money in Die Hard


I'm having a hard time coming up with a best bad guy plot from the X-Men books....surely there must be a few?









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Jared





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Grey Gargoyle


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


> > Which plot by a marvel villain do you think was the "best"? im not sure how to define "best" in this instance. i guess it could be the cleverest or most original. or the one that made you say "thats a good idea, it could work" and maybe even should have.
> >
> >
> > to throw in my idea, i think helmut zemos master of evil seige on avengers mansion was pretty brilliant (in an evil way of course).
> >
> > any other plots (big or small) that made you go "wow, thats good (in an evil way)"?
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> With apologies, some are not exactly Marvel comics but here's some plots that I feel stand out:
>
> Bane freeing the insane inmates of Arkham to wear down the Batman and then, when he was exhausted, break him.
>
> Kraven's last hunt as others suggested.
>
> Yes, the seige of the Avengers mansion as you suggested.
>
> Iron Man's manipulations to make the SHRA a reality (sorry true believers, even if Marvel says he isn't, he's a bad guy). He got the power he wanted, took away people's basic human rights and thus eliminated the majority of his opposition, AND he got the government to sign off on it and make him out to be a hero despite his treachery. Cite all the gray areas of right and wrong that you want, THAT'S evil at it's finest.
>
> Dr Doom stipulating the he name the Richard's daughter (may not seem like much, but in the long run, they'll always know who named her - their mortal enemy - now that's some sweet evil justice) - Valeria.
>
> In the same vein, Mr Fear permanently driving Matt Murdoch's wife Milla insane. Thus etching a place in his foe's memory forever.
>
> Of course, Kingpin systematically destroyed Matt's life (and thus Daredevil's) as Doc Shallot suggested
>
> Both the smartest and yet also the dumbest "plot" was Lex Luthor gathering intel and data to figure out who Superman is. Once the inevitable conclusion that Supes was Clark Kent came across, Luthor then dismissed it, saying that Superman wouldn't pass himself off as human.
>
> Britney Spears getting people to think she has or even HAD talent.
>
> Terminator planting Terra on the Titans to learn their secrets.
>
> Lyja, posing as Alicia to infiltrate and spy on the FF, even switching to seduce Johnny when Ben Grimm left the team temporarily. This of course supercedes the current Skrull invasion, which is a similar idea with grander reprecussions. Best part about this plot is that, i'm fairly sure, it was all a retcon to undo Johnny Storm's marriage to Alicia.
>
> Galactus confining Silver Surfer to Earth. When all was said and done, it was poetic revenge for SS's "betrayal." Even more amusing was the solution, given years later, that he could have left all along, as long as he went without his board.
>
> Red Skull managing to survive another one of his supposed deaths by inhabiting a clone of Steve Rogers body.
>
>
> My all-time non-comics favorite:
> Hans Gruber and his thugs posing as terrorists when in reality they were just using terrorism as a smoke screen and really stealing money in Die Hard
>
>
> I'm having a hard time coming up with a best bad guy plot from the X-Men books....surely there must be a few?
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Reverend Meteor




Ok this plot sort of set the stage for the clone saga but I thought it was a deliciously evil plot.

Peter discovers his best friend, a man he loves like a brother hurts him in a way that none of his other enemies ever could or ever have (including Norman). He gives Peter; the sad little orphan who never knew his parents; the illusion that he has his parents back and it takes months for Peter to find out the truth...in which time Harry has already died. Harry did in death what no one including his father or any of Peter's foes has ever done...he broke Spider-Man. He drove Peter insane.

No other villain ever played the parent card. Peter's best friend knew what button to press.

To me this and this alone is why Harry is infinitely more interesting (and horrifying) than Norman ever will be. Norman betrays everyone but he really doesn't betray anyone....betrayal requires trust and no one trusts Norman. Harry didn't decide to kill Peter's loved ones or show him his worst nightmare. He gave Peter the thing he secretly wished for since he was a child and made a mockery out of it. The trust Harry abused with faking Peter's parents is IMO far more heinous than any act of evil his father ever committed.


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